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Ya' know, I just went there (1:10 PM, 11/13/03) and looked at all three. I had a hard time being offended by them. I dunno. Maybe my threshold is a little less sensitive than some here. Then again, maybe we looked at different comics. I mean, I KNOW guys that are actually like that. They're good men, and I like them, so I'm not offended by the caricature.
All I can say is let's not LOOK for things to be offended by. Let's retain our ability to laugh at ourselves. It's a good survival mechanism.
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"All I can say is let's not LOOK for things to be offended by. Let's retain our ability to laugh at ourselves. It's a good survival mechanism."
That's fine, Frank. Humility is a nice quality for all people to have once in a while. The problem is when there is a double standard: when there's a comment made denigrating men that wouldn't be accepted if it were directed toward women. If it's "just a joke", then everyone should be considered fair game. If a comment is "sexist", then we shouldn't direct it towards anybody.
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Well, you're right about this and I will be the first to agree with you that the trend in popular media is to denigrate men, especially white men, while holding all others in careful reverence.
So this is true, but then we cannot point to one comic (or three in this case) and claim to be grossly offended. If you were offended, that's okay, and I'm really not saying you're wrong. But I think whenever we try to demonstrate that the popular media is attacking men or disregarding the dignity of men, we have to be careful to demonstrate a trend and not just point to isolated cases. The burden is on us, whether we like it or not, to demonstrate that this misandry is not isolated, that there is indeed, a pattern.
For example, when we see a commercial by, say, AT&T that insults men, we really can't effectively complain to AT&T unless we can record a series of AT&T commercials over a few months and point to their bias. Same thing with Progressive Insurance, though I concede that their voodoo doll commercial by itself was over the top. By itself it represented something that no one should tolerate.
I just didn't find these particular comics to be all that offensive.
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You have to look at the first comic, about 4 days ago. The couple are sitting in the theatre, and he is yelling "NO, GET OUT OF THE HOUSE WHILE THERE"S STILL TIME!" ala horror film.
She replies..."This is the last time I take you to a romantic comedy!!!"
LOL!! Reminded me of Gonzo and Ray;-)
TBQ
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This is a question that has gone unanswered for
centuries...... but, now we know.
If you put a woman on a pedestal and try to protect
her from the rat race... you're a male chauvinist.
If you stay home and do the housework... you're a
pansy.
If you work too hard... there's never any time for
her.
If you don't work enough... you're a good-for-nothing
bum.
If she has a boring repetitive job with low pay...
this is exploitation.
If you have a boring repetitive job with low pay.....
you should get off your lazy behind and find something
better.
If you get a promotion ahead of her..... that is
favoritism.
If she gets a job ahead of you...... it's equal
opportunity.
If you mention how nice she looks...... it's sexual
harassment.
If you keep quiet.......... it's male indifference.
If you cry............ you're a wimp.
If you don't........ you're an insensitive bastard.
If you make a decision without consulting her.........
you're a chauvinist.
If she makes a decision without consulting you......
she's a liberated woman.
If you ask her to do something she doesn't
enjoy....... that's domination.
If SHE asks you......... it's a favor.
If you appreciate the female form and frilly
underwear...... you're a pervert.
If you don't.............. you're gay.
If you like a woman to shave her legs and keep in
shape.............. you're sexist.
If you don't................. you're unromantic.
If you try to keep yourself in shape...... you're
vain.
If you don't................ you're a slob.
If you buy her flowers............. you're after
something.
If you don't.................... you're not
thoughtful.
If you're proud of your achievements...... you're full
of yourself.
If you don't.................... you're not ambitious.
If she has a headache............ she's tired.
If you have a headache............. you don't love her
anymore.
If you want it too often......... you're oversexed.
If you don't.......... there must be someone else.
Men die first because they want to.
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That is so damn good. Too bad it posted looking all jacked up, I have had that happen on a few of my posts in the last month or so and I got no idea why. But, anyways Jen, that was, again, OUT-FREAKING-STANDING.
When my wife, usual disclaimer that she's a sweetie, is not in the mood, it's not flattering, but hey, I roll with it. When **I** am not in the mood she really wants to explore WHY WHY WHY (I think it's to break down my no into a yes). Don't get me wrong, she's not malicious or insensitive at ALL, but I think women's wiring is just different in that department. I mean, let's be real: MEN are USED to taking a shot at "getting some" and getting shot down. Even from our wives/girlfriends/whatever. WOMEN seem to have some hard-wired programming that makes them think they can ALWAYS get some, and when they can't it throws them outta whack.
But, that's another thread. la la la la la la
(steven goes singing along merrily)
Peace
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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What does she say, Steven, when you explain to her that your "I'm not in the mood" is the same as her "I'm not in the mood"?
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Well I must once again give the disclaimer that my wife is one hell of a good catch, allow me to brag:
Beautiful Japanese (born there) woman, who is loving, cuddly, intelligent, great sense of humor, and that universally exquisite tushy given by God to Asian women but designed by that famous Jewish doctor (Hyman Feintush).
How does she "take it", well as I said she just can't get it through her head that it IS the same when I turn her down as when she turns me down. But in marraige you learn to accept a person as they are for the most part. I have to explain it to her every time, and she tries to overcome my lack of desire. I truly think it's part of a woman's hard wiring that makes it really hard for them to understand how a man can NOT want to have sex with them. Not really sure why, but on the other hand, once you get a woman turned on you can get them to do about anything you want with the tease: "you dont want to do/say those kinky things? Ok, should we stop completely?". Women hate it, but most are worse than guys when turned on and will go for what you are suggesting (within reason) ... though, you may be made to pay for it later. lol. Just my meandering thoughts on the subject.
Peace
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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"How does she "take it", well as I said she just can't get it through her head that it IS the same when I turn her down as when she turns me down. But in marraige you learn to accept a person as they are for the most part. I have to explain it to her every time, and she tries to overcome my lack of desire."
Well, perhaps if you continue to explain it, and discuss the stereotypes that plague everyone (as in, "men think about nothing but sex"), she'll see the light. She seems nice and intelligent enough. Good luck!
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I dunno... just my personal exeperience but I think "on average", guys are significanlty more likely to be "in the mood". In fact most of the guys I know (including myself) tend to be in the mood virtaully anytime at all... and I think women know that. So when a guy (who's ALWAYS ready to go) says he's not in the mood, there tends to be more of a chance that something is really wrong than for a woman. Of course you're mileage may vary... if you're Al Bundy the roles would be reversed, and I actually know a couple who are like that.
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Yeah, I don't think I'd run into this problem, since I think I'd tell the person up front that I'm not that interested in sex at all and never have been....
bg
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