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Brainwashed Novelists
posted by D on Sunday August 24, @05:53PM
from the Media dept.
The Media Neil Steyskal writes "I read a lot of scienc fiction, mysteries and adventure novels; and I'm amazed at the number of male writers who have fallen for the feminist line. These books are full of macho women and men who victimize women. They never show the men who have been driven to desperation or suicide by vicious women. So I've started making comments about these books at amazon.com. The page for each book at their site allows you to post a rating and comments about the book. Let's take advantage of it to spread the word!"

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Antwonne Fischer (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Sunday August 24, @08:03PM EST (#1)
I noticed a movie review at Amazon.com the other day by that guy who sued the 10 domestic violence shelters. It was for the DVD/movie Antwonne Fischer (sp?).

He praised that movie for showing the male side of domestic violence in our society.

More guys should write reviews at these places.
Re:Antwonne Fischer (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Monday August 25, @12:48AM EST (#6)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-rev iews/-/A1Y25MB0FJ30F5/1/ref=cm_cr_auth/104-9226651 -7246307

The link - no spaces.
Re:Antwonne Fischer (Score:1)
by scudsucker on Monday August 25, @01:24AM EST (#7)
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Or use this handy dandy html link I made. 'a href' is your friend. :)
Amazon.com Reviews (Score:2)
by Dittohd on Sunday August 24, @08:19PM EST (#2)
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How about posting a link to each of the reviews you're referring to so we all can see them.

Dittohd

Re:Amazon.com Reviews (Score:1)
by dramoth (dramothATyahooDOTcom) on Sunday August 24, @09:27PM EST (#3)
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Reviews are a great way for authors and all personnel in the process of movie-making to get feedback. Feedback is essential for improvement. So yes, feedback is good, by all means. But what books do you find to be portraying butch women at the expense of men? The Eyes of God, by Marco seems to be a great read, detailing the strengths of the men involved in such an all consuming love. Would that be bad or good, in your view? Note, I havent read it. I'm curious what books you're referring to so as to agree or disagree from my own reading of them.
"Trust will kill you or set you free." -unknown
Re:Amazon.com Reviews (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Monday August 25, @12:47AM EST (#5)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-rev iews/-/A1Y25MB0FJ30F5/1/ref=cm_cr_auth/104-9226651 -7246307

I found it here - no spaces.
Misandric Male Writers? (Score:2)
by Luek on Sunday August 24, @11:18PM EST (#4)
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I have heard that it is the publishers who insist that there be strong female characters in the story or it doesn't get published. And unfortuately most male writers find it easier to "roll over" rather than fight this crap.
Re:Misandric Male Writers? (Score:1)
by Hawth on Monday August 25, @11:50AM EST (#8)
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A terrific example would be one of the world's biggest selling authors (if not the biggest) - horror writer Stephen King. Themes of domestic violence (man against woman) and violent males have been prevalent in his books since the beginning.


His first book, Carrie, had a subtext of female "empowerment". The Shining is extremely metaphorical of family issues where the husband/father is abusive. And, in the early 90's, he put forth a veritable feminist "trilogy" - Dolores Claiborne, Gerald's Game, and Rose Madder, all three of which were about abused women taking some sort of revenge on their male aggressors.


I've also read a King interview in which he made the quote: "I think most men are wired up to perform acts of violence, usually defensive, but I think that we're still very primitive creatures, and that we have a real tendency toward violence."


He's a great writer, and I'll admit to loving and admiring many of his books - but I think he has a real axe to grind with the male gender.


I don't currently have an Amazon.com account to post reviews and comments - but I guess it's time to get one!


Another good website is epinions.com. This is an even better site for customer reviews and opinions. I recommend it.
King as a writer... (Score:1)
by ppmnow (ppm_now@hotmail.com) on Monday August 25, @12:40PM EST (#10)
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he's actually unexceptional, and often lacking in real creative verse. Consider him more a layman's author with interesting ideas than an actual literary force.

Mitchell A. Smith

"An ambiguous perspective is all you can hope for when initially confronted by that which you do not know."
Re:Misandric Male Writers? (Score:1)
by A.J. on Monday August 25, @07:14PM EST (#11)
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Authors tend to heed the “advice” of publishers because without the approval of a publisher there's no book.

I’m almost sure that Simon and Schuster originally published The Myth of Male Power. But they then dropped Farrell even though he was a best selling author.

I just looked at my shelves of men’s books and the only author published by Simon and Schuster is Christina Hoff-Summers (Who Stole Feminism and The War Against Boys).

Red Mars, Blue Mars........ (Score:1)
by A.J. on Monday August 25, @11:56AM EST (#9)
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An example of this is the Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars series by Kim Stanley Robinson. Before reading it I assumed the author’s objective was to write about the colonization of mars. After reading it I concluded that promoting misandry must have been an equally important objective.
Robert Jordan (Score:1)
by Renegade on Monday August 25, @07:44PM EST (#12)
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After reading the first 4 books of Robert Jordan, The Wheel of Time series, I had concluded that the author was a feminist. The story takes place in a fantasy, sword & sorcery, type of world, with magic and warriors, etc. Here are some elements that I just couldnt get over:

-Even though women could be just as powerful, if not *more* powerful than men, women were still treated as 'weak and innocent' to be protected by males.
-Even in a world where women could be the most powerful (only women could wield magic safely), they were still considered weak and helpless. In one scene, a male character could not bring himself to attack a female bandit leader that had attacked him first even though she was about to gut him with a dagger.
-Most of the female characters were strong and/or wise, while most of the males were either strong protectors of women or they were lazy, good-for-nothings.
-While the women showed their strong characteristics, they were also always belittling the male characters and chastising them.

My nephew says that the series got better in the 5th book as the lead male character grew stronger, both in power and character.

R

ack! feminism makes books suck! (Score:1)
by crescentluna (evil_maiden@yahoo.com) on Monday August 25, @10:40PM EST (#13)
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Books that became sucky:
Night Flying
[you can only fly if you're a woman, women have that secret power, but men trick most women out of it]
Pig's Tale
[it's like a recurring theme, any YA novel featuring a young woman must include a rape scene. and maybe some ostracizing, show things are better today because of feminism]
Strangers in Paradise [graphic novels]
[guy breaks up with girlfriend, girlfriend goes berserk, girl who has a crush on the girlfriend ties up the guy in front of his apartment with only underwear and threatens to shoot his genitals. She does get arrested, interestingly, but they blackmail the boyfriend into not pressing charges.]
Johnny the Homicidal Maniac [graphic novels]
[so Johnny, the anti-hero, gets a fan who says 'I'm just like you! I stabbed this girl and then had sex with her corpse!' so Johnny ties the guy down, slices his chest open, and then crushes lungs/whatever else with a sledge hammer, saying something to the effect of "I would never do something so disgusting, you sick fuck!" ya know if I had to choose which method of death...]
Just about anything by Sharon McCrumb
[too many instances, the woman wrote a book called "If I'd Killed Him When I Met Him" what more do you need? though the husband-killer did get life imprisonment or death, can't remember which. but that was a tragedy... uh-huh]

And probably a bunch more I can't remember at the moment. I do need to remember the amazon reviews more often, I usually forget if I haven't purchased it from them, and since most of my books are library owned...
Re:ack! feminism makes books suck! (Score:1)
by Renegade on Tuesday August 26, @10:21AM EST (#14)
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I was watching this documentary on comics and the origin of American comic books. Basically how comics were first started and the origin of Superman, Batman, etc. The documentary was travelling through the ages and had brief interviews with various comic writers and artists.

One section talked about woman in the comic industry. This one women was reading an excerpt of her comicbook and the show was showing the pages of the black & white comic. The story was about two teenage girls who were accusing a small boy of raping the neighbors cat. They held a mock court and trial and found the boy guilty. Then they placed him in a childs swimming pool filled with water and threw in an electric appliance, electrocuting the child to death.

This is an example of a comic written and illustrated by a woman???!!!

While the show was documenting comics like Superman, the X-Men and the like, one of the examples they show of a woman's work is a comic about a child accused of beastial rape and child murder? Why in the world would a TV show documentary on the Space channcel (Canada's equivalent to the Sci-Fi channel) during prime time feature this type of story. Once again, you know that this would never be recieved if the comic story was about two males callously murdering a young girl.

R
Um... (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Tuesday August 26, @05:19PM EST (#15)
Don't mean to contradict you, but it sounds to me like that story might be critical of court policies surrounding rape. Kind of a "modest proposal" type thing...

Oh, and it's also a rip-off of an old "Tales from the Crypt" story, in case anybody's curious.
Re:Um... (Score:1)
by Renegade on Tuesday August 26, @09:04PM EST (#16)
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"but it sounds to me like that story might be critical of court policies surrounding rape."

Well, considering that the boy in the comic was completely oblivious to what was happening to him and the two girls were portrayed as being fully aware of what they were doing, maybe you are right. The boy is shown as wandering about not knowing what is going on around him while the two girls decide his fate with all the feeling of discussing what to have for lunch.

Maybe you are right. Maybe the "accused male, who doesnt know the danger he is in until a female-controlled society decides to kill him" really *does* depict the court policies of nowadays.

R
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