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Actually, I think it is a good thing that fathers' rights groups are being blamed -- it shows they are not taking it any longer. Why don't they blame women's groups for these things?....hmmm...because women aren't the ones losing their children.
I love feminism!
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Radicalism exists in every movement. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house yourself. Why either of these movements have not learned the uselessness of the blame game is beyond me. I thought that was done with before adolescence.
"Trust will kill you or set you free." -unknown
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Useful in getting a result? Maybe. But do you measure the result? Is the result worth it? When it comes to the blame game, I don't think it IS worth it. Because along with getting something you thought you wanted, you get a whole bunch of repressed or subtle anger, hurt, fear that will just come out to bite you in the @$$ later. The blame game can hardly be said to be a positive means to attaining an end. Though if you want negative, by all means..
"Trust will kill you or set you free." -unknown
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" The blame game can hardly be said to be a positive means to attaining an end. Though if you want negative, by all means.."
Pointing out radical feminists use of bomb threats in england is not exactly "blame game". They have done it in the past and they should go under the 'usual suspects' catagory in the investigations. If the english police fail to investigate this they are missing a very important lead.
The Police State is closing in on us, I gurantee you that. From Big Sister in Canada to stifled debate an all and any university or even backyard picnic, feminism has successfully censored its critics.
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Considering all the ground the feminazi's have attained blaming men for everything under the sun, anyone who says that the blame game is useless has been totally brainwashed by some goody-goody or is totally blind.
Wrongdoers should be blamed for their wrongdoing. The Jews and the rest of the world are right to blame the traditional Nazis for their crimes and atrocities. Likewise, those who blame the feminists for their lies and atrocities are right to do so.
We need to rely on the truth. Failing to hold wrongdoers accountable for their actions is raw foolishness.
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by Anonymous User on Monday August 25, @07:58PM EST (#13)
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I agree and add that truth is a necessity in our world.
Is it possible that a fathers' rights group did this? Yes.
Is is possible that some other group did this and the blame is being put on the FR groups? Yes.
How do we tell which hypothesis is correct (or most-likely correct)? Simple. We find evidence and see which hypothesis best fits the evidence. If no evidence is found, we can't assume anything (can't assume the FR groups did it or that it was the work of FR opponents).
Sorry about that, I was just trying to show off a little of what I learned in my Practical Reasoning class.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday August 26, @04:39PM EST (#19)
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Hey, it sounded like you were attacking me there.
The "blame game" is exactly why we have to investigate claims. "He said, she said" gets us nowhere. Scientific evidence is what we should use to make our decisions and judge if a claim is true. This is how the U.S. court system is supposed to work, the whole "innocent until proven guilty" part. This doesn't seem to be followed in every instance these days, though (rape and domestic violence cases).
If it does turn out that feminists did try to frame FR groups, then they should be lambasted. All that I'm asking is that we make sure that they did it, so we do not appear as fools. Appealing to emotion, the illogical, and "fudging" evidence is the way of many a feminist. But we should not be like them. We should use logic and reason and facts because they are the most powerful tools we have. If we do that, we would be in a far stronger position when debating them.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday September 07, @12:55PM EST (#20)
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The point is that the mens movement are not going to take cr*p anymore. All over the world we have tried resoning with deaf politicians, deaf reporters, and deaf feminists. Our politness has got us no where. Actually no, it has got us ever more draconian family laws. Millions of men suffering domestic violence with no help. Female violence stats are climbing steadily and feral kids are being left to roam fatherless on the streets so our laid back attitude has achieved quite a lot. Now the time has come to organise and fight back. Fathers4justice in the UK have done a great job but its only the start. We have to organise world wide now and get off our butts and into the streets in huge numbers. In other words we have to force the b**tards to listen to us! Not by bomb hoaxs but by inconveniencing the s*ds until they take us seriously.
By the way. This is only anon because I cant be bothered to log in and register and all that rubbish. I am too busy.
George Rolph
man2man
uk.
grolph12@hotmail.com
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"Actually, I think it is a good thing that fathers' rights groups are being blamed -- it shows they are not taking it any longer"
Well, that only puts us in the same category as the IRA and PETA, and most people consider those groups a joke. I don't think this is the wisest route for father's rights groups to go, and I hope none try taking credit or participating in these kinds of stunts in the future.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday August 24, @07:49PM EST (#2)
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False Accusations are the fortay of the gender feminist movement.
They do this sort of thing so routinely we even have protest sign dedicated to their evil modus operandi,
FEMINIST PROPOGANDA
IS A WEAPON
DESTROY LIES,
NOT MEN'S LIVES
I really wish Hollywood or someone would do a movie showing all the underhanded evil ways that the feminasty movement has unscroupulously worked to target and destroy innocent men.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on Sunday August 24, @07:56PM EST (#3)
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"I really wish Hollywood or someone would do a movie showing all the underhanded evil ways that the feminasty movement has unscroupulously worked to target and destroy innocent men."
...that will never happen, because Hollywood couldn't honestly do a movie about the evil G-Fem movement without showing their own compliciate support in fostering their evil modus operandi.
The last time I was on Hollywood Blvd. was last Friday night. The streets are as sleezy and seedy as the G-fem movement is corrupt. Don't come to Hollywood for a vaction. Take your family and friends some place decent.
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"...that will never happen, because Hollywood couldn't honestly do a movie about the evil G-Fem movement without showing their own compliciate support in fostering their evil modus operandi. "
Im hoping that more independant artists will rise up and express their ideals and visions. Instead of the constant barage of propaganda counting itself as expressions of art.
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by Anonymous User on Monday August 25, @06:27PM EST (#12)
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This is huge in my opinion and will create laws to further oppress the movement. Wether it's a smear campaign against men, or; a men's group or individual becoming desperate enough to do the hoax, this will change things.
Actually, it is a huge mistake to blame radical FR groups without cause. This is very dangerous to all males and their families.
We know that it is the liberal left that is militant in America with few exceptions on the right (they are mostly quite for now). For example, the ELF just fire-bombed an SUV dealer last weekend. Notice how they are taking credit for their terrorist activities. We also know that because of our experiences in Sacramento that the militant left will stop at nothing to frame men's issues groups.
England had better wake up and take note that this is the modus operandi of the radical feminists that hate men's issues groups. Notice that there isn't a single FR group taking credit. There is uniform condemnation of the act, yet it is the FR groups that are the exclusive target of this witch-hunt.
It is actually kind of scary to see these false allegation specialists work their corruption. The public and the police forces are so ignorant, biased, and socialized against men that they have no clue what is staring them in the face. It's the radical feminists that are militant and they are out to frame FR groups. We are just starting to see the beginning of this work. It will without question get worse as men’s issues groups continue to organize.
We have already seen them work this corruption in Sacramento this last summer. It just frosts my hide to know how the "male police state" came to the "rescue" of the militant feminist when the false allegations were made. There was literally no questioning of the allegations or the source. Not a single thought was given to protecting the men's issues groups. Nope. They were to be left hung-out-to-dry.
It’s too bad those bonehead English officers are so ignorant and biased. One day they will find out how wrong they are....when they loose their rights as males.
Warble
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I don't like this at all, whomever did it.
I have a hard time believing that it was orchestrated by a group of feminists, but I suppose anything is possible in this political environment.
Still, when it comes to other acts of this nature, the press more often than not would have a tendency to withhold judgement until someone claims responsibility.
Which, in this case, it seems may never happen.
Crap. There are a lot of fathers out there who are quite near the breaking point. It doesn't have to be this way.
(Shared custody. Ample education re: paternity testing at birth with encouragement and precaution. Stop telling men to always "be the bigger man" BEFORE things get out of control. That's what we need here more than anything else.)
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by Anonymous User on Monday August 25, @10:18PM EST (#15)
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(Shared custody. Ample education re: paternity testing at birth with encouragement and precaution. Stop telling men to always "be the bigger man" BEFORE things get out of control. That's what we need here more than anything else.)
These are all issues that NCFM, LA stringently fought for in the Ca Paternity Workgroup. The reward from radical feminist was false allegations, police presence in an attempt to falsely arrest us, hotel searches of the registries to identify our presence and intimidate us, and outright opposition to each of these recommendations. Men are doing the right thing by acting democratically. It's the violent radical feminist groups that are acting criminally. This set-up in England is nothing more than an extension of that strategy. You can fully expect that this will escalate because of the actions of the male-haters.
Warble
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" It's the violent radical feminist groups that are acting criminally."
It's because their goal is to destroy democracy.
Look at everything they target and how the changes come about? They don't come about democratically, they come about in true sinister form.
As for the thought that it's hard to believe that a feminist organization wouldn't do such a thing.
HA!
I think I should restart posting some events of feminist violence, threats and yes 'bomb threats'.
Feminists are a militant group.
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I think I should restart posting some events of feminist violence, threats and yes 'bomb threats'.
Feminists are a militant group.
True. Ironically, militant feminist can make death threats, bomb threats, pass totalitarian law, and more. Do we hear of this in the media? NO! We only hear of false accusations against men's issues groups. Posting the information is a great idea.
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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