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Of Men, Female Companionship, and Nooses
posted by Thomas on Friday August 01, @08:00PM
from the False-Accusations dept.
False Accusations This editorial is a mixed bag, as far as I'm concerned, but it makes a few good points and may inspire some interesting discussion. At least the author, Marianne M. Jennings, states, "Some professional athletes need to worry about even being alone with their wives, but that's a story for another time," and "What man is safe from accusations if he spends time alone with a woman these days?"

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I didn't get very far (Score:1)
by scudsucker on Saturday August 02, @12:55AM EST (#1)
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I got tired of the man-bashing before getting to the "good" parts. She goes on about how stupid some famous men are for having affairs, like female celebs never cheat on their husbands.
Re:I didn't get very far (Score:1)
by westcoast on Sunday August 03, @10:44AM EST (#6)
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A pity.

Is it Man Bashing to say that in the present climate men are pretty stupid to run this kind of risk?

Of course if women do it that is empowering etc etc....(oh and profitable it seems)...but so what. The issue is the consequences for a man.

It must be good advice to have a witness and not get into 'compromising' situations, since it could cost you a great deal of money.

In the end Men and Women lose out.

Another opinion from the keyboard of westcoast2


Pretty good (Score:1)
by Hunsvotti on Saturday August 02, @02:59AM EST (#2)
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Aside from the "Men are not the most astute creatures" remark I found it a pretty good read. It is true, you're a fool if you let a female coworker get you alone in a room these days.
Re:Pretty good (Score:1)
by Adam H (adam@mensactivism.org) on Saturday August 02, @12:17PM EST (#3)
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Aside from the "Men are not the most astute creatures" remark

Ever notice now man hating is the easiest thing in the world for them, but woman hating is the hardest thing for us? not strictly for me, but for other guys.


Re:Pretty good (Score:2)
by Thomas on Saturday August 02, @12:26PM EST (#4)
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Ever notice now man hating is the easiest thing in the world for them

People get good at their hobbies. And when it comes to their professions...
Re:Pretty good (Score:1)
by Hawth on Sunday August 03, @10:05AM EST (#5)
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Ultimately the "Men are not the most astute creatures" remark is true - when we're around women, anyway. Men were designed to fry bigger fish than women - which is precisely why I think we let our guard down and get a little dull-edged in their company. Women are supposed to be where we go for relaxation and good feelings - not to fight.


Women, on the other hand, seem designed to think they must do battle with us, just as we think we must do battle with other men. Not too long ago, two female co-workers of mine were "commiserating" about boyfriends and fighting. Their complaint? MEN WON'T FIGHT!


They were using the docile behavior of the boyfriend in question as means to bash men. In fact, they should be grateful for it.


The same applies to sex. As long as men see women as plush, innocent objects, we're always going to be more foolish around them. And yes, hormonal surges at the exposure of certain body parts is a big deterrent to intellect also. To put a personal spin on the issue - in the past, I seriously considered changing jobs because a certain co-worker who couldn't keep certain things "covered" was making it impossible for me to concentrate much of the day.


Take issue with the writer's sentiments if you want - but her solution is dead-on, as far as I'm concerned. It's the same solution I arrived at to deal with the skin-baring co-worker. Keep your eyes turned away, and don't allow for situations where the inevitable could happen.
Re:Pretty good (Score:2)
by Thomas on Sunday August 03, @11:43AM EST (#7)
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in the past, I seriously considered changing jobs because a certain co-worker who couldn't keep certain things "covered" was making it impossible for me to concentrate much of the day.

Why didn't you file a sexual harassment complaint against her? Actually, depending on what she was exposing, she may have been guilty of a criminal offense.
Re:Pretty good (Score:1)
by Hawth on Sunday August 03, @12:24PM EST (#8)
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Why didn't you file a sexual harassment complaint against her? Actually, depending on what she was exposing, she may have been guilty of a criminal offense.


She wasn't exposing anything that you can't currently show on TV, and that wasn't too unusual for other women in the establishment to sometimes show also. I'm talking about things like protruding underwear, blouses that had a way of gaping open between the buttons if she leaned a certain way, and bras that didn't quite "dull" certain protrusions like they should have. Add to that - I was attracted to this girl (but she was involved) and felt like it was exacerbating how I felt, with no satisfaction. It was personal. Other guys in the department (including the boss) didn't seem to have a problem with it. I ultimately blamed my own mind.


She then got another job, was gone, and since then it's been cool. Part of me still blames myself. Another part of me thinks that women - everybody - should be more cautious about what they're showing when they go to work, and elsewhere. It is sexual harassment to be tempted when you're trying to concentrate on something else. But it's also a difficult thing to accuse someone of on an individual level, because anybody can say that they just weren't aware of it (at least when we're talking about accidental exposures, like blouses gaping open or underwear showing). And for that matter - how do you tell a person, especially a woman, that they're causing this problem to you?


Ultimately, therefore, I think the only real solution is for the culture to tighten up the guidelines on dress code and decency (that is, if we can throw off the feminist notion that it oppresses women's freedom of expression.)
Re:Pretty good (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Monday August 04, @10:24AM EST (#9)
You probably would have been accused of harrasment just by mentioning the issue. It would be your problem, not hers, in the eyes of the law. Lovely, isn't it?
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