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by Anonymous User on Sunday March 02, @03:55PM EST (#1)
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That really sucks. Be certain that our enemies will be quick to associate the men's movement with the KKK, or at least try to make people believe they are similar.
For the men's activists who will be protesting Burke in D.C, I'd highly encourage you to have some signs protesting the KKK as well - and make sure if you get some media coverage, that they make note of your opposition to the Klan.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday March 02, @06:13PM EST (#4)
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KKK Go Away!
Nobody wants to carry the baggage you've despicably worked so hard to create for yourself.
If you really believe in what we are doing, then do us a favor and take the side of our enemies. Anyone associated with you and your ilk will have their righteous cause poisoned by the bigoted hatefulness you've promoted for so long.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on Monday March 03, @08:01AM EST (#21)
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Ahmen, Ray!
The KKK has a HELL of alot more in common with the N.O.W., than it does with any MEN'S group that I know of.
Both Klan members and many feminists have managed to get into political offices to be in a position to get legislation through to use against their targets of hate.
Both groups organize, get together and talk about how much they hate a certain group or groups. that is their primary function.
The only difference is the groups targeted for loathing. Whith the KKK it is minorities, for the most part. Whith feminists it is men. But the main goals and objectives of BOTH groups is to denegrade and even destroy others.
So, the fembots better watch their mouths on this one. on account of, some of us may, and should make the very point I just did.
Thundercloud.
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This kind of crap is going to happen. In fact, I'm not surprised it did. One of the KKK's worst nightmares would be for the men's movement, which fights for justice for all but so far is largely composed of white men, to include far more members of downtrodden minorities. We are the greatest possible threat to all nazis, whether the N.O.W., the KKK, or any other hate group. And they know it.
There is no perfect war, and we are at war defending ourselves from the culturally dominant feminists, who make a religion of hatred against all men and little boys. Men have the right to have times and places, when and where they can be away from females.
It's a good idea for those who protest against Martha to also protest against the KKK. It would be great to have a number of black and Indian men and women protesting against Martha. (Any chance of you going, Thundercloud?)
Remember to "Keep on keepin' on, like a bird that flew."
--Bob Dylan. Tangled Up in Blue.
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Personally I wouldn't be surprised if this KKK guy was on Burke's pay roll. To help with her publicity and demonization tactics.
Guilt by association. Though I have no proof of it, I just wouldn't put it past them.
Personally I don't care if Augusta lets women in or not. I don't think it should be the issue. I think our protest should centre around fairness. Such as why do women get to have such clubs where men can't join?
They can argue till their hearts are blue about the business structure but its funny that male reporters can't go into women's locker rooms why is the reverse allowed?
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by Anonymous User on Sunday March 02, @09:09PM EST (#12)
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This guy, who amusingly enough the KKK is even at odds with, I frankly wouldn't be surprised if he's on someone's paylist (so to speak) either, tell you the truth it may even be someone other than Burk that he's teamed up with. Notice how little attention the media has given the men's protest? But this little KKK quasi-faction that probably won't be more than 25 people is getting Lewinskian press. This is getting tempting, I might have to make the trip.
Three ring circus indeed. Maybe a sign suggestion would be, KKK and Martha: grow up and let adults have a private, civilized game of golf.
Or, KKK and Martha, why don't you go talk things over PRIVATELY and give us our Constitutional right to a PEACEFUL game of golf.
I think this may very well turn into the golden opportunity to show where the prejudiced really lies.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday March 02, @09:25PM EST (#13)
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Or another sign could read, KKK and Martha: We don't crash your private prejudiced pity parties, GO HOME.
I love how "KKK and Martha" look next to each other.
Maybe just a simple KKK and Martha = prejudiced
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by Anonymous User on Sunday March 02, @06:17PM EST (#5)
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I am happy to say that when I've tabled for NCFMLA distibuting our flyer with Lincoln on the cover I get as much response from minority people as others. We are concerned about the issues affecting all men. All means all, and inasmuch as the KKK preaches otherwise they just flat out aren't welcome.
KKK go away!
Ray
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I am happy to say that when I've tabled for NCFMLA distibuting our flyer with Lincoln on the cover I get as much response from minority people as others. We are concerned about the issues affecting all men. All means all, and inasmuch as the KKK preaches otherwise they just flat out aren't welcome.
KKK go away!
I'm with you, Ray. Perhaps we should see this as an opportunity to show just how different we are from these sickos.
And perhaps some clever buskers should show up and turn the whole event into a three ring circus. We really should have fun protesting the obvious, ridiculous attitudes and beliefs of people like our darling Martha.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday March 02, @08:33PM EST (#10)
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I love tying these two groups together, because they have more in common in the way they behave, than they have differences. Even though they allege to be on different sides on the issue of Augusta they are in reality birds of a feather.
Maybe a good sign would be:
FEMINIST AND KKK
GO AWAY
or
FEMINISTS AND KKK
DIFFER ON AUGUSTA
BUT BEHAVE THE SAME
or
FEMINISTS &
HOODED BIGOTS
IN DRESSES
BEHAVE THE SAME
or
FEMINISTS &
HOODED BIGOTS
IN DRESSES
GO AWAY
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by Anonymous User on Monday March 03, @08:14AM EST (#23)
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How about sighns saying:
"Burke is a Jerk."
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by Anonymous User on Monday March 03, @08:09AM EST (#22)
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((("(Any chance of you going, Thundercloud?)")))
There's a chance I might.
If anyone else who frequents this website, is also there, You'll be able to pick me out of the crowed, pretty easily. Just look for a light-skinned, chunky, Indian guy with a cane and his hair in braids. That'll be me. (Or one of the feminists who took a wrong turn, on their way to a NOW rally. It may be hard to tell.)
Thundercloud.
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Just because the KKK likes the golf club and we like the golf club, does not imply that we automatically all like the same things. That would be like saying that because a mechanical engineer and a mass murderer both like the same TV show, that the mechanical engineer likes killing people and the mass murderer likes calculus. A does not imply B. Anyone who tries to imply the men's movement is into racism should not even be dignified with a reply more than one sentence long - feel free to use mine.
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"A does not imply B. Anyone who tries to imply the men's movement is into racism should not even be dignified with a reply more than one sentence long - feel free to use mine."
With enough propaganda rags out there and the fact that these women are well connected this KKK thing will be a major point. Something tells me poor Tiger Woods is going to get caught in the middle of all this.
Something stinks with this KKK guy. Don't let that distract from the real issue at hand.
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You're absolutely right, Hunsvotti. I would tend to compare this to the revelation that Betty Freidan was not a regular housewife as she presented herself when she wrote the Feminine Mystique; she had in fact been an activist for the Communist Party. Worldwide Communism caused more suffering by several orders of magnitude than what the Klan has caused in this country, but still Friedan's arguements were allowed to stand or fall on their own merits.
So it should be in this situation (even more so, as the Klan is an entirely separate entity from Men's activists). How to encapuslate that in a soundbyte suitable for media consumption? I don't know.
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If I was representing the men's movement in a press conference, and some smartass bitch with press credentials had asked me about the motivation behind the alliance between the men's movement and the KKK, I would equate it to fish and bicycle makers, and simply say that we have not been contacted by the Klan, nor them by us. Any minute amount of agreement between us and them is purely coincidental and by no means acknowledged. And I would refuse to answer any follow-ups.
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A male is a male, is a male. I do not agree with the KKK, nor do I relish the idea of marching along with them. But a male is a male, is a male. There are times when all political parties agree on the same issue. There are times when oppossing groups agree on the same issues. If the Augusta golf club has members that are associated with the KKK, then I don't think it is our business. If we are there to represent a group, and asked about any association with the KKK, we didn't invite them, I suppose they are here in support of mens' rights. As to the comments that feminazi news reporters will twist things around, it won't be the first time.
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Problem with protesting the KKK on Saturday is two-fold:
1) They won't be there. Protesting against anyone in a venue where they are absent makes you look dumb.
2) It only gives them press and creates more of an opportinity to mention "these men's rights guys" and the KKK in the same breath. We are going to be carrying signs decrying Martha Burk and gender bigotry in general. We do not also need to carry signs with "KKK" on them too, for whatever reason.
The long and short is that men's issues are villified by the feminazi-controlled press and there is general ignorance about them and their implications in society. Men need to start protesting some time and get our message out even though we will be labeled all sorts of nasty things-- we are going to be, anyway, and currently are, so what's to lose? If things keep going as they are unstopped, men's futures are not bright at all. We have to start protesting anti-male bigotry and feminazi double-standards some time-- March 8 is as good a time as any and we should not let some poison pill race-baiting weirdo, who was rejected even by his own hate-club, deter us from our aims.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday March 02, @08:37PM EST (#11)
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The Klan. What a bunch of yahoos. Did they happen to notice that Hootie--Burk's most vocal opponent--is a BLACK MAN?
We should also point that out to Burk herself if she attempts to make a connection between the Klan and Augusta.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday March 02, @09:39PM EST (#14)
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"The Klan. What a bunch of yahoos. Did they happen to notice that Hootie--Burk's most vocal opponent--is a BLACK MAN?"
Wow, I didn't know that. What an ironic twist. This thing gets more convoluted with every new detail.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on Sunday March 02, @10:40PM EST (#16)
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"Hootie is not black."
What an ironic twist. This thing gets more convoluted with every new detail.
This thing is really starting to take on a life of its own. Perhaps we can get Hootie and Martha Burke to appear on a talk show together and call the segment "Hootie and the Blowfish."
Not so Sincerely, Ray
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This is whacked. Im telling you it stinks. It was only a few years ago that they started letting black men into the club.
Somehow this all seems very contrived. A great publicity poo poo against agusta. Get some bigot to show is solidarity then pump it up in the news. Saddle bag it and sell it for a nickle.
Then when men's rights steps in there they begin with the 'guilty by association' prefix.
I'd be careful with this if you're all concerned with the image of the men's movement.
Burke is a player and I would't put it past her. Propaganda is her bread and butter.
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How about a sign that says:
Martha is a blowfish
or
Burk=blowfish
or
Hoo gives a hoot about Martha Blowfish Burk (with blowfish crossed-out)
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by Anonymous User on Sunday March 02, @11:01PM EST (#17)
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"Notice that she says "It [the Augusta National Golf Club] must expect support of a like-minded group."
I would reply to Ms. Burke by saying that, the only thing her reference to the Klan conclusively shows is that, these people who stereotype like her, chose to disagree with her on the issue of Augusta.
That's right Martha if you want to point fingers at other people and say they are like the Klan then you really, really need to notice that there are four fingers on your own hand that are pointing directly at you.
Ray
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