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Teenager Girl challenges male-only draft law
posted by D on Sunday February 09, @06:31PM
from the The-Draft dept.
The Draft Jeff (aka This is Not Equality) writes "A 17-year old Boston girl has earned my respect, and she is, along with her step-brother and his friends, taking on the Selective Service System. With this move, she has done more for women than the NOW could ever hope to accomplish. "The discrimination is kind of in favor of women," she said yesterday. "But this is kind of an ethical thing. If you say women have the same rights as men, you're going to have to take the good with the bad.""

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Now you are talking! (Score:1)
by Tom on Sunday February 09, @07:10PM EST (#1)
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17 year old Nicole Foley gets my vote as a true woman of power. Standing up and taking responsibility for her gender's wrongful privilege. Something her feminist sisters have utterly failed to do. Bravo Nicole!
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Re:Now you are talking! (Score:1)
by jenk on Sunday February 09, @07:19PM EST (#2)
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I agree, the girl and her brothers are really doing some ground breaking work here. Kudos to dad, too, for encouraging his children. Jen
Re:Now you are talking! (Score:1)
by cshaw on Monday February 10, @10:52AM EST (#4)
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The Federal government refuses to defend our borders against massive illegal immigration.The Federal government promulgates discrimination
against caucasian males.Those who would not be subject to the military draft and/or combat duty receive preferential treatment in employment
and otherwise while those, mainly caucasian males, who would be subject to a manadatory military draft, are discriminated against by law.
The terrible treatment that Vietnam Veterans received both from the US government and the american people when they returned home strongly
argues against a military draft. Those who would be subject to a military draft and/or combat duty would have their civilian careers destroyed or severly adversily affected by the same while those who would not be subject to the same (mainly females and others) would have their careers inhanced by a military draft. All of the
aforementioned argues against the military draft for reasons which are easily deduced without further comment.
C.V. Compton Shaw
Re:Now you are talking! (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Monday February 10, @10:53PM EST (#6)
You wrote:

“But I can say this: To be effective, contemporary mass-marketed pornography and modern war both require cruelty and contempt.”

My reply:

At the point of personal involvement in the dirty work they do both require contempt and cruelty. But as a “higher order” civilized society we distance ourselves and our combatants from the cruelty and contempt as much as possible (smart bombs, etc.). The higher up the power structure the more the distance. We have built ourselves a terribly high level of wealth, influence, technology, sophistication, ability, etc. and we use that to rationalize, that we are some how righteously just in deserving to preserve all that stuff at whatever actions are necessary. There is a great hypocrisy in this line of thinking (between what is economical necessary and what is righteously just), but to go counter to the preservation of this nations great standing would be un-American to our way of life, and terribly uncomfortable. I'll be honest and say that I like my comfort as well as the next American, and I can blame it all on the fact that it was all in place when I was born into it. Can my conscience live with that knowledge? With difficulty. With great knowledge goes great responsibility.

Even though we presently do have an all volunteer military, once the carnage gets really bad, most would rather be somewhere else. Cruelty and contempt are a means of survival, and a reaction to seeing friends who lost to the slaughter.

Pornography is contempt and cruelty on a more fundamental and voluntary basis (usually) and often reflects the low standing and difficult lives of the people who engage in these so called forms of entertainment.

Cruelty and contempt are a useful (primitive) means of survival also. If an individual can distance themselves from their aberrant behavior by dehumanizing those who they target as causing their behavior, then somehow it seems more justifiable.

War and pornography are dirty and disgusting business, but somebody has to do it, or do they? Hopefully someday our species will free itself of these aberrant behaviors, but as world’s population continues to rise I can only see both becoming worse. As Mark Twain said, “An optimist is a man with no experience.”

Re:Now you are talking! (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Monday February 10, @10:55PM EST (#7)
"I'll be honest and say that I like my comfort as well as the next American, and I can blame it all on the fact that it was all in place when I was born into it. Can my conscience live with that knowledge? With difficulty. With great knowledge goes great responsibility."

You are a part of the problem.

Re:Now you are talking! (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Monday February 10, @10:59PM EST (#8)
"You are a part of the problem."

Yes I am. Sorry I forgot to sign my post. Oh by the way, we humans are all a part of the problem, you consumer you. We should all live as efficiently and humbly as possible out of respect for the horrible consequences that opulent living requires.

Ray
Now you are talking off-topic! (Score:1)
by Smoking Drive (homoascendens@ivillage.com) on Tuesday February 11, @01:48AM EST (#9)
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This seems to have no direct relevance to the head post. It's also just a cut-and-paste regurgitation of material from another source.

You should make some effort to remain on topic and contribute some original information, comment or analysis.

Lest this post be deemed off-topic too, I think the girl in question is doing a fine principled thing, but it's regrettable that objections to the sex bias in the draft are only newsworthy when they come from the privileged sex.

cheers,
sd

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Could I Hear a Pin Drop in a Room of Gender Fems? (Score:1)
by jll1024 on Monday February 10, @12:30AM EST (#3)
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I can't help but wonder if and how the gender feminists will respond to this. It may be too early to determine, but I think they may keep their mouths shut on this one, unless they risk exposing a great deal about their true agenda.

It feels extremely good to know that the hypocrisies of gender fems will hurt them further.
Josh
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