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The article states, "The only way to stop female batters, many men believe, is to hold them just as accountable for violence as men."
What an incredible concept. As if there should be any question about it.
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Now that is more like it. Not that we are there yet, but just a beginning like this is reason for celebration. Thanks Thomas.
Is tonights 20/20 going to have a segment on DV??? It looks like a possibility and the woman in the interview may be featured. That would be great.
I can think of a couple of email addresses I want to send that url! LOL!
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"The couple's story left many wondering: How could a woman batter a man? It happens more often than you think."
Sorry, but to see this coupled with Barbara Walters picture is staggering.
The saying "If it's to good to be true it probably is" is going through my head 9-0.
If this pans out this will be one of the biggest steps forward for men.
Its also my personal opinion that there is a better answer to dealing with domestic violence than just locking people up and throwing away the key.
Now that women are being seen as abusers we have a real chance of moving forward in our relationships.
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This was a segment done on 20/20 tonight. It was male friendly outside of their stating that "It is seven times more likely for a woman to be injured from domestic violence." The men and women in the article were featured on the show with more coming forward including some men talking about their experience.
This should get some word out about this issue. What a surprise.
Happy valentines day men!
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One thing that I noticed was that they portrayed the woman who bit the guys lip off in a very positive light. Nice lady, friendly, woman next door sort of thing....I bet they wouldn't portray a male DV perp like that. In all fairness some of the other female perps weren't portrayed in a good light including the one who tried to kill her husband with a knife and is presently in prison.
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The somewhat positive portrayal of that woman didn't bother me so much, because she's somewhat "reformed". The story came as a total surprise to me and I'm glad I didn't miss it.
Unfortunately, it was later followed by a story in which that Stossel malcontent ripped anyone who consistently likes animals with that PETA piece he did. But it's still a happy day (night) for this website!
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One thing that I noticed was that they portrayed the woman who bit the guys lip off in a very positive light. Nice lady, friendly, woman next door sort of thing....I bet they wouldn't portray a male DV perp like that.
Gees. Ya think!?!?!? They would never portray males in such a light. This segment, while it did expose female-on-male domestic violence, was extremely bigoted because of the tones of chivalry that permitted special treatment of women. Until we get rid of chivalrous behavior we will never see female-on-male DV being taken seriously. They will always make these women look like heroes for coming forward and excuse their behavior. When they got through with that extremely violent woman people literally wanted her autograph. She was a 15-minute celebrity! Why she was one of the most fantastic lovable females on the planet!
Naturally they were quick to note that it was the fault of a man that she was an abuser. That is because she was raped when she was a child. Once again men are the villains and women are morally superior beings.
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Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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I especially liked when they interviewed the social worker, Claudia Dias, and she pointed out that TV and the movies send an awful message when they show a woman hitting man (or girl hitting a boy) as socially acceptable, romantic, or funny.
It's nice to hear a woman pointing this out...just as I'm very greatful to the women and girls who are supportive of this site.
The tide is turning, folks.
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I especially liked when they interviewed the social worker, Claudia Dias, and she pointed out that TV and the movies send an awful message when they show a woman hitting man (or girl hitting a boy) as socially acceptable, romantic, or funny.
What was worse is that the 20/20 segment came almost immediately after Glenn Sacks got creamed on the O’Reilly Factor for his pathetic C4M arguments. So, on one channel (FOX) we see Sacks being made to look like a complete fool because of his pathetic arguments on C4M and then on ABC we have Walters covering a men’s issue of female-on-male domestic violence. What a contrast! One show did serious damage to men’s groups and the other made feminist groups appear to be addressing a serious social issue in a male friendly chauvinistic manner.
I was actually shocked to see Barbara Walters talk about the Hollywood "slap the cad" segment. For example, they showed numerous scenes where the woman slapped men in movies like “Gone with the Wind,” but then they negated the entire effect of the segment with a biased follow-up that manipulated males using chivalry.
In that follow-up they interviewed males that had been severely assaulted by women. Barbara asked if any of them had ever thought of defending themselves. She literally put them on the spot. It was clear that if they answered that they had defended themselves then they would appear to be the evil violent males. So of course they all stated that they had never defended themselves.
It was the same old men must be chivalrous and accept assaults from the women crap. To even think of defending oneself against a severe kicking attack is evil. This segment of course required the males to portray themselves as being able to tough it out and take-it-like-a-man. Walters literally manipulated the males to make it seem clear that there cannot be such a thing as battered male syndrome. That had to be intentional.
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Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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The tide is turning, folks.
Don't count on it. The show was riddled whit bigotry against males, and there wasn't a single men's issues group that was credited with exposing this issue.
We all know that it's the men's groups that have done the real work in fighting back, but in this segment it was Walter’s doing all the work and being portrayed as a hero to male victims. That was no accident. Walter’s has done nothing to help male victims of DV.
This show was more about attacking men that are not chivalrous then about female-on-male violence. It turned violent females into heroes and manipulated men to believe that if they took the abuse that they would be seen as noble. It was clearly an extremely bigoted attack against the weaker males that cannot tough-it-out.
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Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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it's still a happy day (night) for this website!
and
The tide is turning, folks.
MANN ROCKS!
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by Anonymous User on Saturday February 08, @11:32AM EST (#9)
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Wonderful to see an article that speaks the unspeakable, i.e. addresses female violence against males. But there are two significant problems with the article:
1) The Headline: "Battle of the Sexes". That's a gross headline. Concern about male victims of domestic violence isn't a matter of a "battle of the sexes." Females, unless they are male-hating feminists, should care about male victims of domestic violence. Males who express concern about male victims of domestic violence, and the near total media silence about the issue, are battling for justice, not against females.
2)The sentence: "According to a controversial, landmark study co-authored by Richard Gelles, a University of Pennsylvania dean and psychologist, women are seven times more likely than men to be injured in domestic violence, but women also hit men as often as men hit women." Does this statistic on injuries represent the best current objective analysis? John Archer, in Psychological Bulletin, Sept. 2000, estimated from a major literature survey that 38% of those injured are men. That's a lot different than a 1-to7 male-female injury ratio. Which statistic is closer to the truth, say currently on average in the US? On what basis did the author of this story choose the former statistic?
This story shows a big step forward, but there's still a lot of work to do.
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"This story shows a big step forward, but there's still a lot of work to do."
I have debated this dozens and dozens of times with women and men. For many its almost a "competition" that women are the victim. Usually this competition comes from women and men who have the feminist lable. I also find I get the most challenge from those who have been got to by the feminist side of things first.
Now there was a big push to get DV shelters out to the rural parts of Ontario in the last year or so. Since I have the oppurtunity to travel I have noticed that in the rural parts is where women still love men. They still think its their duty to satisfy men both in the home and sexually.
Where in the city is more of the opposite. Its more of the how can profit from men mentality.
Universities are bad, and women walk around in a paralyzed fear. Its so bad its rediculous its pathetic really what those groups like Sexual Assault centres and DV shelters feed women day in and day out. Very few women take them to task about the propaganda actually very few men too.
In my opinion Domestic Violence issue is the biggest issue of them all. If you break down the myth of Domestic Violence than all the other house of cards will come tumbling down.
Feminists won't be able to argue anything, because all of their arguements stem from physical abuse.
But don't worry, feminists are hard a work coming up with the counterspin to this.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday February 08, @02:21PM EST (#11)
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This was perhaps in response to our emails about the Whitney Houston interview. Get out there and send 20/20 some mail thanking them for this great show. The media usually gets this issue wrong, let them know how important it is that they have taken this great step forward. And encourage them to further investigate this subject,(and other men's issues like paternity fraud, suicide, depression, etc.) that this should not just be a one time look at the subject.
It was awesome to see this on a network show!
Troy
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by Anonymous User on Sunday February 09, @10:13AM EST (#15)
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I agree completely. I know some people feel this show was riddled with bigotry, however I think we all need to keep this in context. It was a HUGE step. Maybe not going from crawling to marathon in one day, but certainly a major step. I think positive feedback is crucial. Let them know people are watching and that we, the consumers, approve. You can BET the feminists are sending legions of hate mail about this.
Jen
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I agree completely. I know some people feel this show was riddled with bigotry, however I think we all need to keep this in context. It was a HUGE step.
Agreed. It was a major step forward in recognizing a serious problem.
Warb
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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Anon - Two very good points.
You are correct about the Archer research in it's 38% male injury rate finding. It carries more weight considering it was a meta-analysis. I think the 7-1 ratio number is old and it was gathered based on ER records of claimed injuries. This of course is totally bogus since women admitted to ER's are routinely asked if their injuries are related to domestic violence. Men of course are not. Also, men are far less likely to respond and tell the truth. Thus you end up with a number like 7-1. As far as I am concerned this was a gift thrown to the feminists to keep them happy. I cringed when I heard it.... It in no way related to the reality of the situation.
The observation about the title bugged me also. Even the sub-title the "Fury of Women" spun this in a way that put the women perps in a better light. Imagine for a moment a show about male DV perps titled "The Fury of Men." LOL! It reminded me of the Donahue show with Farrell and Marc where the title was "Are Women Getting a Free Ride." This title is also a set up. It tries to focus the debate over whether women are deserving and those miscreants who might say otherwise. Rather than simply looking at how men may be lacking in services. Grrrr.
I think we need to celebrate getting things out in the open. I have spent years of frustration with these issues simply not being addressed. I am just happy to see some air-time.
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ABC 20/20 published similar material in 1998 or 97 (the transcripts no longer appear on their website). 1998-2003 wasn't a period of enormous strides for masculism.
cheers,
sd
Those who like this sort of thing
will find this the sort of thing they like.
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