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by Trudy W Schuett on Wednesday September 04, @06:12PM EST (#1)
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A couple of the unsung heroes are:
John Buethe at MAD Men United – (look for this org to take off like a rocket in 2003) http://www.madmenunited.com
And Richard Hayden, listowner at Abused Guys http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abusedguys/
Both work long and hard offline, which is why you don't hear much from them!
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I'd like to mention Erin Pizzey for her work. I like the brutal honesty that she trys to work for.
I'd like to mention a guy who goes by the handle of David Byron. He has unique methodes but he is well researched in feminist dogma and he considers himself an anti-hate advocate.
There is another guy who goes by the handle of Dr. Evil, I think I know his name and he comes to this site, but I will leave it up to him to tell us his name. He has sent very formidable letters to senators on men's behalf. He has a gentle demeanor. I forsee him to be a very valuble asset in the future.
I do want to mention Nicole Perry, who is taking a very active role for men's issues. She is also an example of how the unbalance ends up hurting both sexes in the end.
I can think of thousands but I will let some others hopefully honour theirs.
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Dan Lynch
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A few obvious, courageous individuals should be mentioned right off: Trudy Schuett, Wendy McElroy, Warren Farrell, and Scott Garman.
I want to add to this my wife, who will remain nameless on this board. She's a recovering feminist, who is utterly disgusted by what a bigoted, male-hating society the US has become.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday September 05, @12:25AM EST (#6)
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How about Berdard Goldberg?
He began trying to get the media to focus on Male-bashing and the roll the media it's self plays in it.
This, amoung other things cost him his job at CBS. and nearly ended his career as a journalist all together.
I for one will NEVER forget his sacrafice.
Thundercloud.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday September 05, @12:29AM EST (#7)
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Sorry, I meant; BERNARD Goldberg.
Not BEDARD Goldberg. (Where's my medicine?)
Thundercloud.
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by Anonymous User on Friday September 06, @11:21AM EST (#27)
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How about Herb Goldberg -- the apparent father of the whole movement....
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by Anonymous User on Friday September 06, @06:14PM EST (#30)
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((("How about Herb Goldberg -- The apparent father of the whole movement...")))
Yeah, Another good nomination.
Herb Goldberg, Benard Goldberg..., But, PLEASE, not WHOOPIE GOLDBERG!!!
...I have enough aggrevation...,
Thundercloud.
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The Unkown Soldier, buried in Arlington National Cemetary.
Ray
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One more,
Dr. Charles Corry of dvmen.org in Colorado.
Ray
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Thompson and Sacks make a great duo. Obviosly Marc Angelucci is making his name and he plays fair ball too.
The entire host of this board do things even little things. Ragtime displays his men's activism sticker on his bumper. Some people are embarrassed to do this. He does it proudly.
I have a car now and the sticker I have is going on as soon as I get the other ones off.
I'd like to ad Amber Pawlik here because of some of her work exposing feminist lie's.
There is a guy near london ontario who is trying to open a men's shelter. I haven't heard from him in a while, he may still post at ifem. I hope things are going well. He has a men's magizine called the Volksgaren Project (something close) discussing related issues. I think he was even trying to become a part of SAFE.
I also have a friend who wrote a book that is going to try and mention the Men's Activism site while he's a guest on Ricky Lake. It should be contriversial to say the least.
He's well researched the only problem I see is if Ricky cuts him off from speaking.
Matthew Fitzegerald, some of you know him already.
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Dan Lynch
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by Anonymous User on Thursday September 05, @01:50AM EST (#9)
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Dan.
when your friend goes on Icky,..Er, I mean Ricky Lake, Will you let us know?
I for one would really like to see this.
Ricky Flake,... er, I mean Lake is a Gen-fem and a half. the real suprise would be if she DOESN'T cut your friend off! I've "monitored" her for years, She is a HUGE misandrist.
Thanks.
Thundercloud.
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Will do Thundercloud.
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Dan Lynch
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I would like to nominate the journalist and author Neil Lyndon.
Lyndon was one of the highest paid and most established feature writers in British journalism, but his career was destroyed by his critical writings on feminism. His downfall began in December 1990 with the publication of his 5,000 word essay, 'Badmouthing', in The Sunday Times Magazine. In this essay he raised doubts about the central claims of feminism and questioned some of the fundamental tenets of its ideology. He described the routine separation of tens of thousands of children from their fathers as one of the most serious human rights issues of our time, he suggested that it was boys rather than girls who were disadvantaged in the education system, and he observed that it was men who were shortchanged by medical science, not women.
For daring to point out these readily verifiable truths he was variously described as mad, defective and inadequate, and subjected to an extensive campaign of villification, especially by female columnists. A Cambridge history don told her students that she would like to see him shot, and the president of the Cambridge Union urged her members to burn his writings.
Things got even worse when, in 1992, Lyndon's book 'No More Sex War: the Failures of Feminism' was published. Born out of more than twenty years' experience of feminism, it blew away the ideological hokum at the root of feminism - the idea that our society is patriarchal in its organisation. More than 100 reviews and feature articles on 'No More Sex War' were published, but only three explained and discussed the book's central thesis. Many of the reviewers hadn't even read the book, choosing to make personal attacks on Lyndon instead. Often the book was given to a feminist to review.
Lyndon's alcoholic, abusive wife abducted their 10-year old son to Scotland and managed to obtain a temporary custody order, partly using extracts of Lyndon's writings on feminism to suggest that he was unfit to be a father. A string of personal disasters followed. Labelled a heretic, Lyndon was ostracised by former friends and colleagues. He was declared bankrupt in 1992, had his house repossessed, and was denied his son when the Court awarded full custody to the mother. For years he was reduced to writing for motoring magazines in order to make ends meet, but he still wrote articles critical of feminism, including a sound debunking of many domestic violence myths.
Eventually Lyndon was reunited with his son, and many of the things he wrote about over ten years ago are now grudgingly accepted as having some truth. He is a true pioneer and deserves a lot of respect for having the guts and the integrity to express and defend his views in the face of enormous hostility.
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I'd like to nominate Clayton Giles, the 14-year old kids who rode his bike from his home in Canada to Washington DC and to Ottowa CA. His efforts may not have been noticed by many, but for a kid to make that tip is remarkable.
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Wow! What did Clayton Giles,ride for?
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Dan Lynch
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Check out his story at http://www.legalkids.com He rode for a child's right to both parents.
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by Anonymous User on Friday September 06, @04:23AM EST (#25)
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No wonder Clayton's efforts weren't "noticed by many". The media is VERY carefull to ignore ANYTHING pro-family, pro-male, or pro-father.
If this had been a GIRL rideing such a distance to bring attention to the "right" to have two lesbian Mothers, or something like that, We would have heared NO END OF IT from the media.
This kid, Clayton, is a VERY good nomination, Frank.
Thundercloud.
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"This kid, Clayton, is a VERY good nomination, Frank. "
I'll third that.
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Dan Lynch
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The only thing that troubles me about Clayton's effort, and I know this because I supported his passage through New Jersey as best I could, is that his father chose to bypass the support offered him by many father's rights groups, especially if they were insistent on a visible presence of their organization. He did this because he was told by what the few media types who supported him told him: that if those groups were present, he would get ZERO support. I don't blame him. He wanted to see his son's efforts count for something, and he recognized the threat.
One thing that would help is for us to do this for him and send out a release of some sort. Some publications will pick it up, though most will not.
Anyway, I haven't kept in touch with him, but I think of him often. Personally, I think he would have generated MUCH more fanfare had he and his dad embraced the support that was offered. But it was their show, and I was just a supporting character.
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Uberganger - Wow! I'd never heard of this man before. I checked on amazon and you can't get his book. Is it available anywhere? Is someone still publishing it? I'd love to see it. I'd like to shake his hand and say thanks!
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" I'd like to shake his hand and say thanks!"
Now this is what I'm talking about!
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Dan Lynch
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Hi, Tom. I think 'No More Sex War' is probably out of print. You know how how it is; you can get any amount of manhating tripe at a bookstore, but the stuff that speaks in defense of men is lucky to get published, let alone stocked. You can read a bit more about Lyndon at :
www.ukmm.org.uk/issues/suppression/nl.htm
This is where I got most of the biographical stuff from. It's the website of the UK Men's Movement (www.ukmm.org.uk), and is well worth a look. The UKMM has campaigned for many years and had some successes. It's chairman, George McAulay, also deserves recognition, as does its founder, Roger Witcomb.
While I'm mentioning names I'd also like to add that of David Thomas, a journalist and author of 'Not Guilty: The Case in Defense of Men'. A review of the book can be found at:
http://www.backlash.com/content/gender/1994/11-nov 94/page23.html
I think this too is probably out of print, having been published at about the same time as 'No More Sex War'.
Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.
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Dan! This is a great idea. It's been too long that fems have soiled all men in their path by making their oceanic sweeping generalizations about men and the masculine. Challanging them is important, but maybe even more important is celebrating the multitudes of honorable men who have maturely stood their ground through serving their countries, communities, and families. Right on! This deserves a web site of its own and I just might do that.
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I'd like to honor my High School band conductor, William Johnson.
Bill demanded excellence. That really says it all. Just being around a strong man who demands excellence is a powerful lesson. You have to work at it. And work at it. And work at it. Finally what emerges is that you learn from the hard work that you are more capable than you had thought. This process would not have transpired without someone demanding the best out of you. Bill did that. He was unafraid of hurting feelings, or making someone feel bad, hallmarks of today's feminine ways. If you couldn't play a part he simply kicked you out and told you not to come back until you could play it! During band rehearsals if a part was played incorrectly he would ask each individual who was a member of the offending section (horn section, flute section etc) to play the segment on their own. Have you ever heard the phrase "The fear of God"? LOL!!! If you couldn't play it you were dismissed from the band room! People really responded to this and our band was one of the best HS bands in the country because of this. Bill stood his ground and demanded what he knew we could do. He gave me and all band members an experience in pushing ourselves. This is the masculine. Competition? Worried about someone feeling bad because they might lose the competition? Ha! Not in Bill's book and I'm glad it wasn't.
God bless Bill Johnson. A mature man who helped build esteem through a very masculine demand for excellence.
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How about Jack Kammer? I think his book, Good Will Toward Men, is the bible of male activism, when it comes to acknowleging and encouraging genuinely sympathetic women to speak on our behalf. A tip of the hat to you, sir!
fritzc77
Those who claim to be brutally honest, enjoy the brutality more than the honesty.
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I'd like to mention , William Levy. Will is currently sueing the government of Canada for its human rights violations of "Unequal Protection Under the Law".
He has started the Commission for Men and because of him, I have noticed Ottawa trying to do new tactics and even admitting some pertinant facts.
Feel free to add more and as many names as you can to this thread, Im sure Scott won't mind, niether will I.
And Im glad , this will make it so much better to celebrate our heros every once in a while. To turn our suffering to joy to turn our loss to gain.
Men like Dan Curry who was probably living in a box for a while, but still has found a way to make something of it, build a web site, and now produce shows that we can all listen to.
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Dan Lynch
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Don't forget Christina Hoff-Sommers, author of "The War against Boys."
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Everyone I've learned about in the Independent Women's Forum. With no disrespect intended for the men in the organization, I've got to say these women are wonderful.
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I agree. Their objectivety really stands the feminists up.
I have a friend(Amber Pawlik) that is a junior member of the IWF and she has watched Christine Stolba in action as well, no one stands up these feminists like them.
They are a women's forum there's no doubt, but if there is one thing is they balance their research to include men when its relevent and they do it HONESTLY and objectively which no doubt puts them at odds with feminists. Funny that.
I admit they are conservative and they are concerned with traditional roles maybe more so than many men on this board but you have to admit its kind of nice not to have some chick blanket demonize you with every research stat she comes up with.
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Dan Lynch
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I admit they (women in the IWF) are conservative and they are concerned with traditional roles maybe more so than many men on this board
I'm not a conservative, and I have a great deal of respect for them.
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I just wrote a complaint-letter to the FCC about the ad, requesting sanctions againt Progressive.com as well as against stations which aired this ad.
Here is my letter:
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To: fccinfo@fcc.gov
Re: Hate Messages
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Hello;
I wish to file a complaint regarding a certain hate-message ad by Progressive.com, whose corporate headquarters are located at:
Corporate Headquarters
Progressive Insurance
6300 Wilson Mills Road
Mayfield Village, Ohio 44143
Progressive.com has taken the liberty to air an advertisement filled with blatant misandrist hate-messages, showing a vengeful feminist woman horrendously physically abusing and humiliating a man, and ending by showing him crushing his genitals with a pair of pliers; furthermore, this is portrayed as some sort of humor, which is likewise used as a disguise for the blatant hate and disrespect.
This is not not only sick, it is a blatant abuse of the public-airwaves to degrade men, and is no better than a show of racism by featuring an ad in which a black person is shown being comically tortured and lynched by Klansmen, or showing of a Jew being tortured and executed by Nazis.
I believe that this not only breaches the FCC's "public interest" policy regarding use of the public airwaves, but I further believe that this falls well outside penumbral protections of the First Amendment, particularly under color of "Fighting Words."
In this interest, I would like the FCC to take action to sanction Progressive.com for such sick and antisocial hate-messages made in violation of the rights and sensibilities of the viewing public; I would furthermore also like to see similar sanctions enforced against stations which broadcast such horrendous and offensive content.
--Brian McCandliss
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by Anonymous User on Friday September 06, @04:30AM EST (#26)
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How did THIS get in here...?
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Two VERY important individuals who must always be mentioned -- and lauded -- in any discussion of the fight for the rights, dignity, and worth of men are Tom Williamson, president of the National Coaliton of Free Men, http://www.ncfm.org/, and Richard F. Doyle, president of the Men's Defense Association, http://www.mensdefense.org/.
These two outstanding organizations, NCFM and MDA, headed by two outstanding men, Williamson and Doyle, respectively, deserve the support of masculists and men's rights advocates everywhere, to be sure, but just as importantly, they deserve the support of anyone who just simply cares about men.
Richard Doyle, for his part, once nailed down the truth in a manner rarely done before -- or since:
"The commonly accepted notion, the basic premise of women's lib, has long been that discrimination against women is greater than that against men. This is more than fashionable nonsense; it is a bizarre hoax."
-- Richard F. Doyle
Truer words were never spoken.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday September 08, @03:12PM EST (#34)
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It's just a matter of semantics, More discrimination against women, More discrimination against men.
It SHOULD be looked at as discrimination against HUMAN BEINGS!
One person has a severed leg, another person a severed foot, BOTH are bleeding to death.
Again it is argueing semantics to say which person needs medical attention.
To any logicaly THINKING person, it should be obvious that BOTH need it EQUALY!
At one time the feminist movement was a ligitamate movement.
But somewhere along the way, the feminist movement became more like a BOWELL MOVEMENT.
Thundercloud.
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