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by Mars
(olaf_stapledon@yahoo.com)
on Wednesday September 04, @01:14PM EST (#1)
(User #73 Info)
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Ellen Goodman allows that, "...it's worth asking why low-income and minority men are less successful academically than other populations."
To get a sense of the extent to which Goodman considers minority men less valuable than minority women, consider switching the genders: "...it's worth asking why low-income and minority women are less successful academically than other populations."
Even if her statistics are correct, and the gender disparity in college enrollment is accounted for by minority women in college outnumbering minority men by two to one, Goodman is mistaken to assert that the problem is exclusively a class problem not a gender issue: it's both. The male gender is popularly considered less "valuable" than the female gender, and the discrepancies are more pronounced as a function of class. This is why it's "worth" asking the question about their relative lack of presence in higher education, but the question of how important the answer is, or what we might do about it will have to wait until the girls arrange their next tea time together...
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Goodman proclaims, For openers, there is no gap between traditional-age white male and female students.
I've seen this declared by feminists on several occasions, but I've never seen a citation to a study or government statistics to support it. There was, in fact, a study done in a wealthy suburb of Boston that found that the gender gap was as great among wealthy males and females as among poor males and females.
It's easy to declare that white males are doing as well as white females, but the claim leaves me extremely skeptical. It has the same foul odor as the generally believed yet fully discredited claim that domestic violence by men against women peaks on Super Bowl Sunday. In fact that feminist odor also calls to mind the lie that women account for only 5% of domestic violence perpetrators.
Don't believe a word of it until you see evidence. This may well be just another hateful, feminist lie.
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It's easy to count the number of CEO's and claim a gender bias. I like to look to the number of garbage collectors, construction workers, fire fighters, and such to provide a little parity on that subject. It's difficult for someone to keep bitching about parity when I ask which professions are easier to break into, and why aren't women in those 'dirty' professions, and just maybe when the whole picture is looked at, we do have parity.
For years totals in a single catagory have been used to justify policy change in favor of women (affirmative action) but now that those same numbers show a disparity IN FAVOR women, those results must be "studied" and "discredited."
This is no better than the crooked game of 3-card Monte. Now that men are trying to take advantage of the 'rules' in place, those 'rules' need to change.
Pure BS, same as it ever was.
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"This is no better than the crooked game of 3-card Monte. Now that men are trying to take advantage of the 'rules' in place, those 'rules' need to change. "
Great observation.
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Dan Lynch
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I mean, normally this honks me off, but fer crissakes, men, this is Ellen-fucking-Goodman! Jeez, man! Talk about a waste of good trees! My dog puts trees to better use then she does!
I mean, do you really expect unbiased commentary, let alone critical thinking, from her kind? Honestly, when I see her horse-faced mug staring up at me, I just pass on by it unless I'm in the need of a good chuckle. This woman is a clown!
Lordy, the woman is one of the founding mothers of the Misandric Movement, and there are some people not worth the increase in blood pressure; consider the source and ignore the remark is what I say.
This is definately one person whose credibility we should set at zero. The proper response when someone opens by "You know, I was reading Ellen Goodman this morning..." is to laugh so hard your coffee shoots out your nose, and say, "I'm sorry - do you need eyedrops?"
Cold blooded, maybe, but... how true.
---- Burn, Baby, Burn ----
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by Anonymous User on Thursday September 05, @12:40AM EST (#6)
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Gonzo.
You are right on!
I give the same credibility to Ellen Goodman talking about 'Men', as I do the grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan talking about My people. (Indians.)
BTW, "GOODMAN" Isn't that kind of an ironic last name for this "woman"?
...Ellen Badwoman...? Yeah, She should change her name to THAT!
Thundercloud.
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Great book, so far-- I just started reading it:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1582 380147/qid=1031242138/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-645720 8-3001725?v=glance&s=books
I wonder if she'd read it even if it were just give to her?
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Sorry, folks, for the wrong title (yes, I even used 'Preview' too!). It's "The Decline of Males" by Lionel Tiger. Amazon link is in fact:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1582 380147/qid=1031242138/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-645720 8-3001725?v=glance&s=books
(Adjust the URL to exclude any spaces or line breaks the post program may have added.)
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