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Fatherhood Coalition Urges Resistance to MA Child Support Guidelines
posted by Scott on Wednesday February 06, @08:21PM
from the news dept.
News Adam sent us this press release from the MA Fatherhood Coalition and writes "This has been coming for some time now, and if anything, it's going to take much courage for this to come together and be effective. By participating, men basically say goodbye to their old lives and hello to being a criminal, or at least to having a criminal record where there was none before. The feminist campaign to criminalize all men is underway at full steam. In my opinion, this shows the time for making drastic changes is well past, and is upon us." It's important to note that this group has tried legal means to have the support guidelines changed, and the new CS guidelines were not changed in favor of the testimony of over a hundred fathers and supporters during public hearings last year on changing the guidelines.

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The Stakes are Incrementally Raised (Score:1)
by warble (activistwarble@yahoo.com) on Thursday February 07, @02:22AM EST (#1)
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As the laws continue to become incrementally more unjust the stakes go higher. If this continues, the results to this civilization will be devastating. In time, feminist will be forced to realize their folly. What they fail to realize is that they have everything to loose by systematically criminalizing men.

Currently, I believe that we are quickly approaching a critical mass. When enough credible PhD's and responsible citizens are criminalized, men will have very little left to loose. That is a recipe for a major disaster. The disaster will come about because of the collective actions of the family courts throughout America.

Currently, it seems logical for the feminist to systematically rape men using their lies, false allegations, and their children. That cannot last. It will result in the systematic collapse of civility for the vast majority of our citizens.

We need to keep in mind that it is both liberal and conservative lawmakers that have put men in this position. Regan fell into this trap and started the deadbeat dad laws that have led to our current dilemma. The feminist instigated the initial push.

I suspect that at the current rate of male criminalization that we have less than one generation to see the full effects of the disaster.


Re:The Stakes are Incrementally Raised (Score:1)
by nazgul on Thursday February 07, @08:35AM EST (#2)
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I tend to agree, but I'm holding out hope that another generation of fatherless children can be averted. It's a slim hope, though. As a culture, I predict we have run our break-neck leftist pace for as long as we can and, seeing the damage, are about to stop and catch our breath. Affirmative action is falling out of favor, as are campus speech codes and other forms of political correctness and double-think. No political majority, as Alan Kors succinctly says, will tolerate such abuses forever, and it would be best for everyone if an equitable solution was found before our own rhetoric gets the best of us, and we fall into a characteristically feminist "victim-mongering" mindset.

I'm glad to see the fellas in MA taking the initiative and trying to put some action behind their words. Idle complaining is both ineffective and unattractive, not to mention a little dangerous.
Re:The Stakes are Incrementally Raised (Score:1)
by HombreVIII on Thursday February 07, @12:19PM EST (#5)
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Nazgul wrote "I predict we have run our break-neck leftist pace"

I predict that this knee-jerk right-wing reaction of attaching the term leftist to anything they disagree with is insulting to the leftist men's activists, as well as being divisive and harmful to the movement.

Re:The Stakes are Incrementally Raised (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Thursday February 07, @02:10PM EST (#6)
Unfortunately, Hombre, the feminists have attached themselves to the left. Therefore, anyone that opposes them is automatically regarded as being on the right. There are many who support the theoretical association between feminism and socialism, further defining the orientation. Also, the right does offer more support for fatherhood and the nuclear family, though you could hardly tell from what Dubya has been doing lately.

Frank H
Re:The Stakes are Incrementally Raised (Score:2)
by Nightmist (nightmist@mensactivism.org) on Thursday February 07, @03:39PM EST (#7)
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Also, the right does offer more support for fatherhood and the nuclear family, though you could hardly tell from what Dubya has been doing lately.

So long as the traditional roles are always upheld (dad at work, mom at home, and never the other way around).

I'm neither left nor right, btw. According to political compass, I am firmly in the middle of left and right and about firmly in between moderate and libertarian on the social scale. :)

Splitting hairs: (Score:1)
by nazgul on Thursday February 07, @04:39PM EST (#8)
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The key term here was "break-neck", a characterization which indicates a total lack of restraint. As a civil libertarian and free-speech absolutist, I'm no apologist for the right wing. It cannot be denied that the Orwellian "some are more equal than others" philosophy of the politically correct is a distinctively leftist phenomenon. I oppose prayer in schools, but I don't denounce school prayer as "leftist" just by virtue of the simple litmus formula that I disagree with it, as you imply I might. Calling a spade a spade is precisely what we ought to do, and the truth is the enemy of no virtuous movement, including our own.
Re:The Stakes are Incrementally Raised (Score:1)
by Luek on Thursday February 07, @08:44AM EST (#3)
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You wrote:***When enough credible PhD's and responsible citizens are criminalized, men will have very little left to loose.***

It is a paradox that this grotesque misandric situation is going on in Massachusetts, the same place that the infamous Salem Witch Trials happened in the 1600's.

What caused the "hysteria" back then to be discredited and come to a stop was when the upper classes of society started to be targeted for witch hunts.

When enough upper economic tiered professional men start to feel the bite of these backward punitive laws then there will then be a real effort to reform them.
Fatherhood is a dead end (Score:1)
by Mars on Thursday February 07, @09:53AM EST (#4)
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I think another position that Father's groups could send is: DON'T BE A FATHER. DON'T GET MARRIED. Send the message that it's a financial dead end. Just say no to fatherhood.

And while we're not paying unjust child support, let's stop building bridges, fixing highways, and putting our lives in danger. Let women do it. It's about time.
Re:Fatherhood is a dead end (Score:1)
by Adam on Thursday February 07, @07:54PM EST (#13)
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"I think another position that Father's groups could send is: DON'T BE A FATHER. DON'T GET MARRIED. Send the message that it's a financial dead end. Just say no to fatherhood.

And while we're not paying unjust child support, let's stop building bridges, fixing highways, and putting our lives in danger. Let women do it. It's about time."

Exactly why I sent this in, Mars. I think many opportunities for the civil disobedience approach will be coming more often than before, simply because the injustice has been piling up for so long. The more quickly organized groups can get hold of the information, the easier it will be to mobilize something that will be effective and force the changes, without the bloodiness of an all out nationwide riot.
Re:A Lullabye for John Flaherty (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Friday February 08, @02:25AM EST (#14)
John Flaherty is a patriot

John Flaherty is my man

Barbara Dortch-Okara rides screeching across the nation’s skies

Massachusetts, your cataracts are showing -- why don't you retire?

Poor Salem, your madness seems never to clear -- perhaps a soul transplant would help!

It was a group of adolescent girls, by the way – seeking petty vengeance – who lit the Trials

John Flaherty, sleep tight -- any hand laid on you will wither and die

Barbara Dortch-Okara -- you are seen and you are named

Re:The Stakes are Incrementally Raised (Score:1)
by warble (activistwarble@yahoo.com) on Thursday February 07, @05:18PM EST (#9)
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"It is a paradox that this grotesque misandric situation is going on in Massachusetts, the same place that the infamous Salem Witch Trials happened in the 1600's.

What caused the "hysteria" back then to be discredited and come to a stop was when the upper classes of society started to be targeted for witch hunts.

When enough upper economic tiered professional men start to feel the bite of these backward punitive laws then there will then be a real effort to reform them."


Unfortunately, there is an assumption that if something is law, there is an arrest and conviction because of the law, then when and unjust (illegal) law changes, the stigmatism of the criminal conviction will remain because it will be assumed that the conviction must have been right.


Good Start (Score:1)
by DanCurry on Thursday February 07, @05:45PM EST (#10)
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I'm glad to see some organized efforts to stiffle this corrupt system.

Civil disobedience is coming and dispite what some say, it's the only way to bring the system and the public to their senses.

Another way we can raise hell is getting a large group of fathers who refuse to comply with the courts to turn themselves into the local police. Overcrowding their jails will piss them off something wicked. Since they are so hellbent on criminalizing fathers, lets give them a taste of what it will be like if they continue on this path.

I can't wait for this type of oranization and protest to happen here. I'll carry a sign in front of any courthouse in protest to these barbaric laws.

Dan Curry
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Re:Good Start (Score:2)
by Nightmist (nightmist@mensactivism.org) on Thursday February 07, @05:50PM EST (#11)
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Another way we can raise hell is getting a large group of fathers who refuse to comply with the courts to turn themselves into the local police. Overcrowding their jails will piss them off something wicked. Since they are so hellbent on criminalizing fathers, lets give them a taste of what it will be like if they continue on this path.

The above is exactly what Martin Luther King Jr. and the Montgomery Improvement Society did during the bus boycott.

If you've never seen the HBO docudrama Boycott, it is out on video and a very good film.

Re:Good Start (Score:1)
by DanCurry on Thursday February 07, @06:47PM EST (#12)
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I have not, but it is now on my list for movies to rent.

Over-taxing the system, courts, jails or whatever, is rather effective. Also, having the Second wives overload meetings of feminists who actively oppose us could make for some interesting coverage. We all no how violent those Gen Fems are.

I'm full of Ideas, I'm just an old radical at heart. :-)

Dan Curry
DanCurry.Com

Re:Good Start (Score:1)
by warble (activistwarble@yahoo.com) on Monday February 11, @05:29AM EST (#15)
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There is a catch in CA on this topic. Jails now have funding priority over the schooling system, and that is thanks in large part to the super-fem's successful criminalization and removal of the father from the home (as studies now show).

So, all that this may accomplish is having CA build more jails to hold the "evil white male" protesters and depriving our children of their school funds.


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