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When the Babes Beat Up the Boys
posted by Nightmist on Wednesday February 06, @06:50PM
from the media dept.
The Media ronn submitted this story from AlterNet, which examines current media violence against men by women and wonders: "What are these women so angry about?" Michelle Goldberg attempts to point out the hypocrisy of women wanting to be sexual predators and punishing men for the same thing. This new wave of violence against men is no longer about empowered heroines protecting the world from metaphorical rapists and pillagers. This is about raw, crazy, Fatal Attraction-style vengeance. But in this era of the swinging single girl, of hook ups and friendly fucks and Sex and the City, what exactly are women getting revenge for?

Source: AlterNet [Web site]

Title: When the Babes Beat Up the Boys

Author: Michelle Goldberg

Date: January 31, 2002

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no antimisandry here! (Score:1)
by Smoking Drive (homoascendens@ivillage.com) on Wednesday February 06, @09:48PM EST (#1)
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It's not that women don't have a lot to be livid about. The fact that the image of women attacking men doesn't have the same impact as men terrorizing women is testament to a continued power imbalance. But most of this Lorena Bobbitish behavior doesn't have much to do with achieving equal rights. Rather, it's about frustration in a brutal sexual marketplace.

Ironically the author almost assuredly was referring to greater *male* social power when she wrote that paragraph. How can the fact that violence against one party is trivialized while violence against the other is everywhere condemned as outrageous be evidence that the first party has more power? Is the fact that a woman can castrate a man with impunity also evidence of male power?

Does she seriously believe that the "sexual marketplace" (a surprising name for relations between the sexes given her romantic aspirations) isn't "brutal" or frustrating to men?

This woman is clearly enmeshed in fem-think.

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Those who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like.

The Foundation of Hate (Score:1)
by Thomas on Wednesday February 06, @11:39PM EST (#2)
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This woman is clearly enmeshed in fem-think.

I think you have touched on the root cause of much anti-male hatred on the part of women, Smoking Drive.

Many women believe their own lies. (Note: This does not apply to honest, decent women such as IFeminists and egalitarian feminists.) Most women today actually believe that (for a given background, ability and amount of work) they are paid less than men. They believe that men are more violent toward women than women are toward men. They believe men commit most child abuse. They believe one in four women in college are victims of rape or attempted rape. They believe less money is put into research into female specific diseases than male specific diseases.

They believe their own lies and they are outraged by the oppression that exists only in their imaginations.
Wow, how many times have I heard _that_ before? (Score:1)
by yayme on Wednesday February 06, @11:41PM EST (#3)
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Rather, [Bobbitish-types] represent the rage and betrayal born from a very bad deal that post-feminists struck with Maxim-like men.

But the thing is, they've already cast all men with the same brush. It doesn't really matter what he does anymore. And of course, this puts the onus on men again.

"Like every man, he knows he has the potential to do what he shouldn't do," she says at one point. The particular man she chooses to torment is just a symbol of his sex.

Yay for preemptive strikes. Why not murder all male babies while you're at it so they can't grow up to 'do what he shouldn't do'?

But most of this Lorena Bobbitish behavior doesn't have much to do with achieving equal rights. Rather, it's about frustration in a brutal sexual marketplace.

Well, if all you have is a hammer, you tend to see all problems as nails. (Or is it the other way around?)

Now You See It, Now You Don't (Score:1)
by Uberganger on Thursday February 07, @07:51AM EST (#4)
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Consider this scene from Jennifer Egan's brilliant new novel "Look At Me," in which the narrator Charlotte brings a casual pickup home. "I was not like most women," she assures us. "For me, the sexual act had nothing to do with love, or rarely ... I didn't worry much about my own performance; as I saw it, any man who succeeded at picking me up with so little effort, with no strings attached and without having to pay for it, should consider himself to be having an extremely good day." So far, she's the epitome of libidinous cool, but the sensualist facade falls apart in the next few paragraphs. "Paul seemed pretty starved himself, and the whole thing was over quickly," Egan writes. "And it was only as he rose from the bed, his body illuminated by the colored lights of the city, that I caught the glint of calculation behind his eyes, a cold, blank set to his face. His shadow self, and not a nice one."

I find it astonishing that anyone could write the given passages from the book being quoted and not see the moral self-contradiction it contains - unless this is what the author intended, in which case she's a lot cleverer than Michelle Goldburg, who seems to be taking it at face value. Given the remarkable conceit of the character Charlotte, how can the line "I caught the glint of calculation behind his eyes, a cold, blank set to his face. His shadow self, and not a nice one" be read as anything but a comment on her? If the author intends us to take this remark at face value, given the attitudes the character has already expressed towards both love and men, she illustrates perfectly the level of absolute self-ignorance that feminism has led some women to. Astonishing. Truly astonishing.


Not so bad... (Score:1)
by nazgul on Thursday February 07, @08:28AM EST (#5)
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I can see the author's bias, and she is indeed writing from a gender-specific perspective, but I can forgive her that much. On balance, I think her over-arching point is one that I can consent to easily...that angry women throwing their little conniptions over some sexual miff ought to get their story straight. Ladies, can you handle no-strings sex or can you not? If you can, then what are you furious about?

She illustrates a typical brand of gender feminist hypocrisy and wishy-washiness, though I do concede her tone assumes that men have a penchant for evil and dominant behavior. I might even be inclined to agree with her on that score, but only insofar as ALL people have those propensities. Injustice and abuse of power, sexual or otherwise, is an equal-opportunity human affliction.
Re:Not so bad... (Score:1)
by LadyRivka (abrouty@wells.edu) on Thursday February 07, @12:36PM EST (#6)
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Injustice and abuse of power, sexual or otherwise, is an equal-opportunity human affliction.

I agree with you, Nazgul.

This writer didn't seem so bad to me...but maybe I'm missing the point. I, too, would like to know what makes women so angry at men...but I doubt it's what the author said, that "all men are buffoons" or some such. She was kind of ambivalent towards the killer of ANdy Warhol, saying men worshipped her as well as women. No self-repecting human being would worship a mudererer.

"Female men's activist" is not an oxymoron.
Re:Not so bad... (Score:1)
by Thomas on Thursday February 07, @01:10PM EST (#7)
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I, too, would like to know what makes women so angry at men

I said it above, but I'll say it again, I think women are angry at men because they (the women) believe the feminist lies about how women are oppressed by men.
Re:Not so bad... (Score:1)
by crescentluna (evil_maiden@yahoo.com) on Friday February 08, @12:11AM EST (#8)
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Because it's popular and simple - you can be scorned at some point in your life and blame another half of the species for it. You can lead yourself to believe that, really, there's a conspiracy to TEACH every male to be whatever way rubs you wrong, and never ever think that possibly humans differ from one another. ah, it's getting late, night.
Re:Not so bad... (Score:1)
by wiccid stepparent on Friday February 15, @02:26PM EST (#9)
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I have a friend who was quite the malebasher at one time who developed her negativity toward men while working as a sexual assault counselor for a police department. Her opinions softened considerably after the birth of her son, of course.
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