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As someone who regularly mans the Crisis Line for ManKind, and who is involved in keep pushing at the barriers to fair treatment, one does not take stock very often, and, realize that things are moving . . albeit slowly.
Thanks for pointing this out, and reinvigorating us.
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by mcc99 on 08:48 PM September 14th, 2005 EST (#2)
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...and courageous of him to write it, too. I went looking for an e-mail address for him on the site but couldn't find it. If anyone finds one, please post it so we can send him thank-you notes.
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by johnnyp on 11:59 PM September 14th, 2005 EST (#4)
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I was thinking along the same lines. How do you get a decent size group of men together to take some action?
-Maybe purchasing billboard space
-Maybe picketing Fox, CNN, ABC, NBC, and CBS news offices.
I think simple messages would go a long way. For example:
Sexual Equality?
Workplace Fatalities
Men 93%
Women 7%
Sexual Equality?
Selective Service (draft registration)
Men 100%
Women 0%
Sexual Equality?
Before Women’s Lib - Military deaths 99.99% men
After Women’s Lib – Military deaths 97.5% men
Sexual Equality?
Research per prostate cancer death: $2,000
Research per breast cancer death: $12,000
Sexual Equality?
Suicides
Men 85%
Women 15%
Sexual Equality?
Men commit murder and get 80 months in prison
Women commit murder and get 60 months in prison
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I would extend that list with;
Male victims of domestic violence (Shelter for men and prosecution of perpetrators)
Male victims of false accusations (Prosecution of those who commit false accusation)
Male victims of discriminating divorce laws (Equal rights for fathers to see and raise their kids)
Male victims of sexual harassment in school or in workplace (complaints offices for men and prosecution of perpetrators)
Male victims of feminized education system (End girl-specific education, boys are not girls)
Bert
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From now on, men's rights first.
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And don't forget to mention girls having their genitals protected by law, while boys literally have their penises put on the chopping blocks, the 14th Amendment be damned.
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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Reproductive Rights? Men have Responsibilities, Women have Choices.
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by Anonymous User on 12:35 PM September 15th, 2005 EST (#15)
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..and...
WOMEN: don't have to tolerate domestic violence.
MEN: have to "shut up and take it like a man".
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 01:11 PM September 15th, 2005 EST (#17)
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Exactly, Thundercloud. Involuntary circumcision is domestic violence, about which men are expected to shut and take like men.
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by johnnyp on 02:31 PM September 16th, 2005 EST (#25)
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Can you find an honest estimate of the number of false accusations of rape perpetrated on men per year? How about the number of man-months served in prison because of false accusations?
We need facts - keep up the good work!
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by Anonymous User on 11:42 PM September 16th, 2005 EST (#26)
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Here are some things I googled up, in the midst of which might lurk the makings of an "honest estimate".
Weed 'em and reap.
http://archives.cjr.org/year/97/6/rape.asp
http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/crimprof_blog/200 4/12/2_false_rape_st.html
http://www.deltabravo.net/custody/dvlinks.htm
The controversy on this subject is presently HUGE...and the search for truth is fatiguing.
Look into the work of Eugene Kanin re: false rape reporting...
-Fidelbogen-
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by johnnyp on 12:46 AM September 17th, 2005 EST (#28)
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Here is a sloppy estimate
DOJ stats say - between 1992 and 2000 approx 365,000 women reported a rape to police.
54% of rape trails result in acquittal
My wild estimate is:
25,000 times a year questionable accusations of rape are made against men.
25,000 = (365,000/8)*.54
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by Anonymous User on 08:46 PM September 15th, 2005 EST (#19)
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Sexual Equality?
Workplace Fatalities
Men 93%
Women 7%
Writing "sexual equality?" followed by a glaring example of inequality is a very effective way of putting the message across. The message hits home immediately.
Hotspur
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by Anonymous User on 10:19 PM September 15th, 2005 EST (#20)
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I have an idea that is lean, clean, simple, elegant, and....likely very powerful.
Print up 100s or 1000s of small leaflets with the phrase Question Feminism set in large boldfaced letters. At the bottom right corner of the leaflet , in smaller type, the following:Copy this and spread it everywhere.
That's it. That's all. Simple, eh?
These leaflets should be distributed heavily at the various PC pestholes, naturally. But after that, they should be spread all over society in just about every nook or cranny you can imagine.
Just imagine the fun! The howls of indignation! The outrage!
And.....the sheer concept that feminism Ought To Be Questioned, percolated into brains everywhere....
Could break the ice and make the river flow....
I am planning to post this leaflet on the web (as a GIF file which anybody can grab from their browser) along with an entertaining description of the project and the philosophy behind it. MRAs can go there to get the leaflet, and they can spread the word to others -- across the nation and, what the hell, around the whole English-speaking world.
That's one way to get a "decent sized group of men".
Cyberspace word-of-mouth.
-Fidelbogen-
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by Anonymous User on 02:21 AM September 16th, 2005 EST (#21)
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by johnnyp on 10:24 AM September 16th, 2005 EST (#23)
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Not a bad idea - but
A catch phrase is good as a "brand identity". A brand also has to have a product. Our product is the shocking truth. If we start getting the simple, clear, shocking facts in front of the public, the catch phrase will have a foundation to stand on and have meaning.
I think one of our (and societies) problems is that the truth (facts) are either not known, or suppressed.
Feminists use disinformation and the suppression of the truth to get society emotionally invested in their cause. After this is accomplished they have the political weight to make policy.
The only way to win a political fight in the long run is to have truth on their side.
Every item I posted earlier are facts! They are sourced from authoritative bodies like the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the World Health Organization, the Department of Defense Statistics, the Department of Justice…
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by Anonymous User on 02:14 PM September 16th, 2005 EST (#24)
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I think the idea of printing out small cards and leaving them "everywhere and anywhere" is excellent.
However, I would agree with johnnyp that the message "question feminism" may not be the most effective.
This is because most men simply are'nt aware that feminism has taken over society and what a powerful and dangerous force it is.
They still think feminism is a benign entity interested in equality for women.
Most men dont understand that they are second class citizens because of their gender.
I think the first step is to point out to men all the inequalities they face as men in feminazified societies.
A series of cards on the "SEXUAL EQUALITY?" theme could be quite effective. The message is hard hitting and crystal clear.
It would help create amond men an awareness of the inequalities they suffer. Such an awareness does not exist at present, thanks to the feminazified media.
Hotspur
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by johnnyp on 10:59 AM September 17th, 2005 EST (#29)
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I think most men and women do not know the facts.
If we can educate men, and decent women, I think we can make a positive impact by getting the conversation going.
Most decent women only see their grievances (regardless if they are petty or not). When confronted with the shocking facts, decent women may at least not block progress on men’s issues.
You have to remember that the US is a country that puts a lot of weight on fairness and decency. We need to tap into that spirit to make anything happen.
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by johnnyp on 11:05 AM September 17th, 2005 EST (#30)
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I like the idea of having a website that gives more info and substantiates the “Sexual Equality?” factoids. I have not come across a website with men’s advocacy info that is really professional looking. I am talking about a website up to the standards of a corporate brand/marketing/product info.
Credibility is critical winning arguments and political struggles.
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by Anonymous User on 10:39 PM September 17th, 2005 EST (#33)
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Hotspur said: "This is because most men simply are'nt aware that feminism has taken over society and what a powerful and dangerous force it is. "
I think it is possible that you underestimate "most men", although your asessment certainly holds true for a goodly number.(Yes, too many, alas!)
The sense which I get "on the street" is that plenty of men are aware (dimly in some cases) of feminism as a bloated, basically ridiculous nuisance. What they may not YET be aware of is feminism's unspeakably malignant "heart of darkness" and the sobering dimensions thereof --the appalling magnitude hasn't truly hit home.
However, they are ripe for an awakening, and want but little encouragement toward that end -- especially the "young doods" who are so strongly in touch with their youthful intuitions concerning nitty-gritty reality on the cutting edge of history.
My "Question Feminism" idea is not intended as marketing, but something more like " deep memetic programming". It works on a different level. It could be highly profitable in the long haul if that pesky, potent little phrase, with all of its insidious implications, got massively embedded in the mass consciousness. Even if it fell upon unready minds, it could lodge there and lie dormant until such time as world events kick-started it to life. Never underestimate the power of planting seeds.
The basic idea that feminism can and should go beneath the scalpel of critical thinking, is powerful. I would even say, it's dynamite. For certain, feminists themselves would have a conniption and foam at the mouth if those little leaflets starting popping up all over the world. (At NOW headquarters, for example? Hmmmmm...!)
Feminists connipting, foaming at the mouth, and getting their knickers in a knot: Now there's a merry thought! ;-}
-Fidelbogen-
Yes, spreading statistics about "sexual equality" is a fine plan as well, and full speed ahead to it! No reason not to fight the present WAR with many weapons and many tactics on many fields.
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by johnnyp on 04:45 AM September 18th, 2005 EST (#34)
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I think we might be on to something here.
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by Gang-banged on 08:17 AM September 16th, 2005 EST (#22)
(User #1714 Info)
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If anyone would like to contact Neil Lyndon then you will need to ring the Daily Telegraph on 020 7 538 5000 and ask them to forward a message to him for you because he is a freelance journalist and they will not give out his contact details to the general public.
http://www.ukfathers.co.uk/F.htm
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by Anonymous User on 12:22 AM September 15th, 2005 EST (#5)
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The site has a repeating ad from uk.tangozebra.com which blocks the article on certain Linux machines.
Adding the line
ALL: uk.tangozebra.com
to /etc/hosts.deny and reloading the page prevents
the annoyance from interfering with your reading pleasure.
Mars
Waging war against genital terrorism
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by Anonymous User on 12:56 AM September 15th, 2005 EST (#6)
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Reloading the page gives another, less offensive ad. The hosts.deny entry only blocks connections from the hated address, whereas the browser is pulling the obscuring flash animation in. Blocking images almost works, but eliminates the next page buttons.
Sram
msirorret latineg tsniaga raw gnigaW
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eno on ma I
eno on ma I
tseirp eht llik
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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The above post comes from The Exorcist.
I figured everyone was typing backwards, and I would add a little humor, but then realized that not everyone would "get" my post. :o)
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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by Anonymous User on 11:46 AM September 15th, 2005 EST (#14)
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Wrong! The real Mars would have spelled "against" properly.
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by Anonymous User on 12:45 PM September 15th, 2005 EST (#16)
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You scared me for a minute, Napnip. I thought that my computer was possessed or something. :-)
That or Zatanna* had taken over the website.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
*Zatanna is a female magician character from DC comics who uses magic by speaking her spells backwards. She wears fishnet stockings and a magician's costume. Just in case anyone doesn't know what I'm referring to.
...Okay, Okay YES I still read comic books...!
...and I draw them, too..., Now leave me alone! *stomps off*
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by Anonymous User on 02:50 PM September 15th, 2005 EST (#18)
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"!noisicmucriC evil gnoL
!enoyreve esicmucriC"
Typing the above, while viewing the world through the warped backwards mirror of gender feminism in his/her mind, expalins everything.
It's always interesting to see the kind of minds that our tax-payer funded women's studies programs are producing.
R
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by Anonymous User on 02:46 PM September 17th, 2005 EST (#31)
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Working on a design. I need your help....let me know Main topics, then subtopics you want presented.
Email me at dmoore66 at hawtmail.com
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We still have a long road ahead of us, but there's little doubt that the MRM is gaining respectability. As this