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by Anonymous User on 01:59 PM November 20th, 2004 EST (#1)
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In my culture the gift of a white feather is a symbol of purity. So go ahead, fembots, give me all the white feathers you want, I'll enjoy the complements.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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LOL Excellent.
Feminism will continue as long as there is money to be made from hating men.
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by Anonymous User on 02:10 PM November 20th, 2004 EST (#2)
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During the early 1970's I was doing my utmost to stay out of the draft. Also recall giving explanations to several females during that time as to why I was not in the army. They would ask why I had not been drafted and I would always have some bullshit excuse. Also worried that if they were not satisfied with my explanation would they call my draft board and just create some problems for me. And get this, I received a deferment from the draft because I was accepted into an apprenticeship program to become an electrician. I had no interest in that whatsoever but it was a draft deferment for 4 years. When I walked in to the Selective Service System office on the second floor of our post office and handed one of the young ladies my paperwork provided me by the union (for them to process my deferment) she replied to the other females there "another one of these guys". I would have killed to tell her if she was a boy herself how the hell quick would she be to say this in front of me to her female coworkers! It was kind of humiliating. I just kept my mounth shut because I knew if I pissed her off she would probably loose my paperwork, she obvioulsy did not think much of guys like me trying to obtain deferments. Point is I can kind of appreciate what these UK guys must have felt with the ladies handing them a white feather for Christs Sake. Women have never had to face this and they do not know what it is like. Now they are sitting on draft borads, God help us.
I did not finish the apprenticeship thing and my deferment was cancelled after about 1 year. I am sure the young lady at the draft board was delighted (her name was Dianne)when she mailed my order to report for the physical which bore her signature. I enlisted in the Navy, at least I was able to get the GI bill and graduate from Florida State. I do not think female attitudes have changed much on this "its a man's duty to serve" , I believe today they still think things should be that way.
Pete in Nebraska
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by Anonymous User on 02:22 PM November 20th, 2004 EST (#3)
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Gentlemen:
I just wanted you to read a subtle post I made on sisterstreet.com and their topic "should women be drafted" I posted this a few days ago on November 17,2004
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:33 pm Post subject: there is no reason on earth why women should not be drafted
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I would walk on my hands, sleep on my hands, use the bathroom on my hands, eat on my hands and everything else on my hands for a whole month, no make that two months just to see all you little princesses have to get your priveledged little female asses down to your local draft board and register with the selective service system. I know it will never happen but it should. there is no compelling reason in the world why women cannot be drafted to do something. If I had my way you would not be put into combat or any dangerous roles because I do not want any of you killed or wounded but you would be required to do something. And then once you register you too can sweat being drafted for the next 3 or 4 years as young men are presently doing. Then once all that takes place I would like to get a job with the US postal service so I can personally deliver your draft notices via registered mail. I would kill just to see the looks on your little faces. Perhaps then you would start showing us men some respect for change. And what the hell is all this male bashing today?
Girls Rule, Girl Power, It's a Girls World, Boys are great every Girl should oown one, and this one really frosts my ass to no end, Every Women should Have a Man, they make great Pets! Is that how you ladies think of us as pets? You show us no respect at all and that shit has to change.
I am going to do my utmost to make as much noise as I can about this male only draft and furthermore the military disipline would do all your bratty little asses a world of good. and one last thing girlzzz, i happen to be a very good looking guy and I get every and all the women I want, Ha!
Back to top
I do not think it will make me popular with the young ladies however!
Pete in Nebraska
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by Anonymous User on 01:29 AM November 21st, 2004 EST (#8)
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good post....but man, that's bullshit drafting men and women but sparing women from the risk of being killed in combat and other dangerous roles....they'd still be privileged little pricesses. Why is there life worth more than mine?
But screw the draft, abolish it. And I say since women are the privileged class in this area I'd say it's their responsibility to protect men from being in selective service and being drafted....but yeah right, women as an organized group to solely help men??? That ain't going to happen anytime soon. They don't even see it as sexist. They'll even blame men for being drafted.
p. george
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by Anonymous User on 01:36 PM November 22nd, 2004 EST (#15)
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There are just TOO MANY logical women in this country...(sarcasm)
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by Anonymous User on 04:12 PM November 22nd, 2004 EST (#17)
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I say, draft female only battalions, front lines, lets see this women can do anything a man can do but better, and they would only have to be paid 3/4 of the male battalions.
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by Anonymous User on 04:24 PM November 22nd, 2004 EST (#18)
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In which case they'd probably all get pregnant to avoid front line duty.
Hotspur
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by Anonymous User on 04:35 PM November 22nd, 2004 EST (#19)
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"that's bullshit drafting men and women but sparing women from the risk etc ..."
Agreed. The "white feather" antics of those feminists is a good example of feminist strategy, namely that the liberation of women from traditional gender burdens must not be accompanied by a similar liberation of men. Indeed, feminists believe the traditional duties/obligations/restrictions, as they apply to men, must be ruthlessly enforced. This concept is one which the male traditionalist finds difficult to grasp.
Hotspur
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by Anonymous User on 06:00 PM November 22nd, 2004 EST (#20)
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OK, I plead guilty for stating they should be put into non dangerous roles in the military. The purpose of my post was to just get some feedback from these ladies as to whether or not they feel they should be required to at least something, support, laundry etc. I am being shunned by them. In previous posts they made it perfectly clear they want no part of military service period. I did ask them in a nicer way in the past, this time I was hoping to stir up some shit if you know what I mean. They do not seem to want any part of the draft combat or whatever.
Pete in Nebraska
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A white feather for every woman who spews all the typical feminist "women have it hard, men have it easy" complaints yet have not done any of the following: Served in the military, police, fire department, worked a hazardous job, registered for the selective service system or worked in any position that women would steer away in droves because it is too hard or unpleasant.
In short: A white feather for any pampered woman who complains about how hard she has it yet is not pulling her weight of society's responsibilities.
Now where would be a good place to buy white feathers that are about 4"-5" long? :-)/2
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I recall seeing a movie in Auckland, New Zealand back in 1979 or with a title something like "The White Feather." It was set in WWI England and concerned a young man being given 4 or so white feathers because he didn't want to join the army. One of the feathers was given to him by his girlfriend, who walked away from him after that.
The young man then joined the army where he went through a living hell in several battles. He managed to survive the ordeal, and gave the feathers back to those who gave them to him. The last feather was given to his former girlfriend. She was thrilled, and in the last scene they embraced and the white feather was dropped.
Of course we all know that it is important for men to have maintain relationships with women at all costs. I mean, one must even risk life and limb in order to win their approval and stay in their good graces. The "white feather" concept validates this directive given men by society.
On a side note, has anyone ever read the poems of Wilfred Owen? He was a soldier during WWI who later wrote poems about his disdain for war. I recall doing English assignments based on his poetry the same year that I saw "The White Feather." At the time I didn't see the irony in this. In particular, one of his poems dealt with a young soldier crippled by war, and how he had joined the army to please the "giddy girls," but that the girls now treated him like a "queer disease" as he was confined to a wheelchair.
Steve
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As a farmer, my dad was exempted from military service in WWII. When he was in town, young women would run up to him and pin large yellow paper stars to his shirt or coat. On the star, big letters spelled out "Coward".
Now we learn that only men were ever in favour of the wars of history. Women on the other hand were all pacifists.
Shaming of men has a long a revolting history.
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by Anonymous User on 02:09 PM November 21st, 2004 EST (#13)
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Un-fortuneatly, the women of my people (Amer-Indians) are not innocent of this behavior, either.
I recall one story in particular during the Indian removal days that when a village of the Cheyenne were forcibly being moved, a group of women taunted many of the men for being cowards for letting the millitary remove them. Keep in mind, now, that ALL the Cheyenne's weapons had been taken by the millitary. The men had no means to fight back, but the women taunted them and called them cowards any way. Well, as so freaquently happens to men when women do this, some of the Cheyenne men leapt up to attack the calvery men, and of course ALL those men were shot DEAD!
I understand how the Cheyenne must have felt, my own people (Cherokee) were forced to Oklahoma, too.
Our ancestors were heart-broken. But still goading men to fight even when it is KNOWN they will die is a bad habbit that women seem to share hitoricaly. And it crosses ALL ethnic "boundries" as well. I don't know who is more to blame, the women who behave this way, or the men who allow themselves to be pushed around by those women.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 03:20 PM November 21st, 2004 EST (#14)
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I am not sure I am very proud to even say this but during the vietnam draft I was considering going to Canada. My own mother would not give me the necessary money I needed, she did not want her only son to known as draft dodger. So I just took my chances. I believe women are this way by nature.
Pete in Nebraska
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by Anonymous User on 01:42 PM November 22nd, 2004 EST (#16)
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Perhaps there would be FEWER wars if women didn't goad men into fighting them, and if men would stop letting the women's taunts get to them.
Seems to me that women are just as much guilty for war as men.
Funny though if you, as a man DO go to war women call you a "violent, brutal opressor". If you DON'T go to war women will call you a "coward".
It just goes to show, that as a man, ya just can't win.
I have enough aggravation...,
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I remember being heavily involved in the peace movement during the 1980s. It was dominated by radical lesbian feminsts, who argued that war was an aspect of the patriarchy. Their slogan was 'Take the toys away from the boys'. At that time I wasn't very well informed about the issues. Since then I have read a bit more.
During WWI, the philosopher Bertrand Russell led an anti-war demonstration in London. He was assaulted by groups of feminists using pieces of wood with nails hammered through them. The police stood by and did nothing until someone told them that he was the brother of an earl.
Back in ancient Sparta, the same thing happened, women would taunt men in the street for being cowards. It has been going on throughout history. Yet I still meet feminist-trained women today who say "Wars only happen because men like fighting"
It's about time some trendy academic wrote a book called something like "White Feathers: The role of female verbal/social aggression in the construction of war and the militarisation of society." Now that's a book I'd pay money for.
You can bet that feminist historians aren't about to write it though. White feather feminism isn't an official part of 'herstory'.
Feminism will continue as long as there is money to be made from hating men.
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I'm in favor of either a segregated force, and we let women fight the next 3 all by themselves... Or getting women out of the military entirely.
The situation as it currently stands makes them mostly a distraction. It's impossible to discipline female soldiers without facing a myriad of sexual harassment, abuse, and rape charges. They lower force readiness, the retrofits are expensive, and they decrease effectiveness (at least as far as the branch I am familiar with - the Navy - is concerned.). I left out promotion by gender and race rather than merit, another reality of the new "sensitive" force mandates. Sometimes it is out and out dangerous, like placing them on the subs where everyone is required to be able to fight fires, and they don't have the strength to carry the hoses to do it.
This hasn't made a better force for us. The men I know who are in are dying to get out, many of them facing 'forced extensions'(which is also nothing new, my father was forced in another 2 years in Korea). These were people who went in to be careerist. It just isn't an environment they want to be in anymore.
The white feather isn't surprising. It's always those who aren't risking life & limb who have screamed the loudest.
Freedom Is Merely Privilege Extended Unless Enjoyed By One & All.
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everyone is required to be able to fight fires, and they don't have the strength to carry the hoses to do it.
Have you ever read 'The Kinder, Gentler Military', by Stephanie Gutmann? It's a hoot, or it would be if it wasn't so depressing.
She talks about soldiers graduating from boot camp who don't have enough strength in their arms to draw back the bolt on an M16. It's a joke.
Feminism will continue as long as there is money to be made from hating men.
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by Anonymous User on 01:49 PM November 21st, 2004 EST (#12)
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If the feminists have their way (and so freaquently they do...) America will fight wars by running up to the enemy and throwing poppies at them.
We won't win any wars but the battle feild will sure smell nice. *sheesh*
"Poppies will make us sleep..."
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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