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by Anonymous User on Monday December 01, @02:06AM EST (#1)
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I just finished listening to HisSide with Glenn Sacks and tonight’s guest was Daphne Patia(sp?). She made an interesting comment near the end of the show. She said men should not make the same mistake as feminism and claim (in this bountiful country) all the ways that they are victims.
She further said upon a question from Glenn, that if she were able to change Women's Studies she would take out of it (and any other subject) the politicization. The teach Christian history without proselytizing. They teach Jewish history without proselytizing, etc. so why is women's studies allowed to promote a political agenda at taxpayer's expense.
(my opinion)
This is outrageous, when you consider that male taxpayer's pay to promote unconstitutional discrimination against themselves.
Ray
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She said men should not make the same mistake as feminism and claim (in this bountiful country) all the ways that they are victims.
Men should point out the ways that they are victimized as a group in their societies. Such claims are legitimate grievances that should be addressed and remedied. Men should not make the mistake of feminism by claiming that they are victims in ways that they are not.
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I believe Daphne Patai was cautioning against men adopting the "victimology" mindset that has come to characterize radical feminism, as she sees that as a tactical dead-end that leads away from compelling, principled, and logical arguments in favor of men's rights.
Her preferred form of engagement is based on education and objective examination of social circumstances, rather than the malicious and dishonest "indoctrination" that has become the dominant feminist stance.
At one level, what she argues for is an as-yet-to-be-defined alternative language that describes and challenges the discriminations men face, without submitting to a disempowering "victimhood."
Since men are naturally loathe to perceive themselves as victims, let alone to publicly parade about as such (witness the "failure" of the Million Dad's March), perhaps Dr. Patai is on to something....
Men are still searching for the right language in which to frame their grievances in ways that are not offensive to their own sensibilities and which overcome men's reluctance to use weakness as a modus operadi for redressing pervasive misandry and obvious inequalities in today's feminized society.
Men will not buy into "victim power," the principle political strategy of feminism; yet we have not come up with a suitably compelling language for describing our perspectives.
Feminists have done very well in appropriating language to "define the situation" in terms favorable to their cause.
Men now need to follow suit....
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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Men can be victimized as readily as can women. Being a 'victim', as I understand it, is more an on-going thing. Being victimized is a thing that happened. Being a victim is almost a profession, a way of garnering power. Being victimized is something you want to prevent from happening again.
Language is against us here. Most people are going by an old definition of 'victim', i.e. someone who has been victimized. The 'victim' groups are going by a newer definition that doesn't seem to have made it into the dictionaries. To them, 'victim' seems to mean 'someone who is entitled to take without giving back because they are in a special class, exempt from normal obligations'. I don't want men in that class. Maybe we need to coin another word, or reclaim the old idea of 'victim'.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday December 02, @10:05PM EST (#6)
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"Being a 'victim', as I understand it, is more an on-going thing."
It's not healthy to live in a state of perpetual victimhood, reliving again, and again, and again the victimization with no end. There needs to be resolution and moving forward.
Considering how the internal pain I have endured at the hands of the rabid domestic violence industry in America today, I would prefer to think of myself as a “healing tortured spirit”. There are many men today who are “healing tortured spirits,” and they are having a very hard time healing, because there are no advocates to speak up for their injustice, no shelters to receive their battered lives, no justice for them in courts, etc., and after all of their abuse there are constant reminders (revictimizations) in the news, in movies, in colleges, on bumpers of police cars. The misandry against men is everywhere so the next time you see a man remember to treat him at least as kindly as you would a dog, and the next time you see a woman being shown mercy, or courtesy, or sympathy, or chivalry, etc. ask yourself, "Would you do the same for a man?" The last time I checked we were both humans, contrary to feminist propaganda.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday December 02, @09:50PM EST (#5)
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"Men are still searching for the right language in which to frame their grievances in ways that are not offensive to their own sensibilities and which overcome men's reluctance to use weakness as a modus operadi for redressing pervasive misandry and obvious inequalities in today's feminized society.
Men will not buy into "victim power," the principle political strategy of feminism; yet we have not come up with a suitably compelling language for describing our perspectives."
Roy:
I very much enjoy reading your many astute observations, and am just flat out puzzled, because I too have been wrestling with the question, "What is it going to take to get equal justice/equal protection back into men's lives. You have raised a very important question. I actually thing one of the best things I've ever come up with are the T-shirts I've been making lately. I even think they are better than the truck signs I've driven around with, although FEMINIST LIES MAKE BAD LAWS will give anything a run for the money. That one sign is a one sign revolution.
Perhaps for our next protest march all attendees should be mandated to go out and buy 30 gallon trash cans. We could cut the bottoms out so our legs could go through them, and then walk around in them holding picket signs. We could carry signs like:
MEDIA APPROVED MALE IMAGE and
COLLEGE APPROVED MALE IMAGE and
LEGAL SYSTEM APPROVED MALE IMAGE and
FEMINIST APPROVED MALE IMAGE and
WOMEN'S STUDIES APPROVED MALE IMAGE and
L.A. COUNTY APPROVED MALE IMAGE and
CALIFORNIA APPROVED MALE IMAGE and
HOLLYWOOD APPROVED MALE IMAGE.
Any other groups, places that discriminate against men could be similarly represented. I must warn you about my legs. I have seen better legs hangning out of a nest.
Ray
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