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It sounds like they will try not to make it a farting network. The company's site at www.spiketv.com has a "contact us" link with a variety of topics. Let's just wish them good luck and let them know what types of things we would like to see.
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I did that already, and based on the feedback they chose to publish (you can see some selected feedback items after you submit yours) it's not looking good... there was a lot of "men as horny sports freaks addicted to base humor" type of comments... and NOT ONE that suggested any real topical content.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday June 12, @08:32PM EST (#2)
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'' said that the channel offers an escape for men at a time when they appear to be under attack as more women are graduating from college and growing in economic power. ''Many men feel they don't have the earning power or job security they previously had,''
For me at least, it's not women graduating from college that bothers me, it's the misandry that's taught.
And I'm too young to not have the "earning power" and "job security" that I previously had but I have to say that this whole statment I cut and pasted sounds like the feminist drivel of "men not wanting to give up their power and privileges" and now find life harder now that feminists have made the world equal (but of course they're not there yet, of course).
This station does sound interesting though. I like the first part of the original statement that started the thread though.
Aaron
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by Anonymous User on Thursday June 12, @08:47PM EST (#5)
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''Men are the new women, in terms of research. They're very trendy'' -
I like this statement a lot. Someday a lot of women will learn it's pretty hard being a guy and will put their heads down in shame.
Aaron
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What bothers me about this observation is the fact that enough men will be home enough to watch "Guy TV" when in fact they ought to be out doing whatever it takes to get their rights back.
TV can also be a pacifying drug as well as a news/propaganda/misandry/etc.-spreading tool that is is. I fear that creating "Guy TV" may be an effort to cater to men who are already way too pacified and pacify them even more.
Or am I just being paranoid here? :)
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by Anonymous User on Friday June 13, @06:24PM EST (#16)
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And I'm too young to not have the "earning power" and "job security" that I previously had but I have to say that this whole statment I cut and pasted sounds like the feminist drivel of "men not wanting to give up their power and privileges" and now find life harder now that feminists have made the world equal (but of course they're not there yet, of course).
I agree totally. That sort of statement comes from Womens' Studies graduates who don't have a clue about the reality of men's lives.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday June 12, @08:40PM EST (#3)
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What happened to my post??? I think I even remember checking if I posted it and saw it. And now it's dissappeared? I didn't say anything bad or anything just a simple comment on "guy tv". What's up with that?
Aaron
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by Anonymous User on Thursday June 12, @08:45PM EST (#4)
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ok now it's there, I feel stupid. I know I haven't drank that much.
Aaron
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I always considered Spike to be a name for a dog...Am I the only one offended by this name?
It's not the one I would pick, either - but, I guess it makes it clear on no uncertain terms that this is not a "chick" channel.
Personally, my idea of a "guy friendly" network would define itself more by what it lacks - namingly, commercials with demeaning male stereotypes, endless breast cancer awareness ads, anything pertaining to Oprah or Dr. Phil, any number of sitcoms with an obvious truckload of feminist scriptwriters, and movies about noble but oppressed women rising up against their male tormentors. That, to me, would be Guy TV!
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I agree with Hawth that a "guy friendly" network would define itself more by what it lacks - namingly, commercials with demeaning male stereotypes, endless breast cancer awareness ads,..."
That being said, I think we may need to give them a little slack in what they chose in their programming. After listing all the things I don't want to see, that doesn't leave alot of what is on TV today. Granted, they could play alot of movies that guys like but that wouldn't to me at least make it much of a "guy network."
If they do make alot of the programming that men actually enjoy, the network may turn into a sports and babes network with a little CNBC financial and Fox News thrown in.
I happen to enjoy all of the above 4 but again am not sure (other than the babes part) how male-focused that is.
I know for a fact that this network isn't going to go very far to the other end and try to capture the Warren Farrel market. Though I like Farrel myself, the thought of a network focused on Men's "issues" sounds a little too Oprah-esque to me. Also, though our numbers are growing, the number of men who even follow men's rights and men's issues would be enough for about a 0.1 Nielsen rating I'm afraid.
I think we need to be realistic in our expectations. If the network isn't at all demeaning, I will consider it a big step in the right direction. That may sound sad but at least people may develop the neural pathways necessary to comprehend "men's issues", a "men's tv netork", men's studies departments", "national organization for men" , etc.
Hopefully, there can at least be a one hour show that airs once a week to start maybe that reflects the kinds of things we talk about on this site, and after a while maybe it can be a daily show. God knows there is enough material.
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Agreed, and when I wrote them I didn't suggest that they be a "touchy feely issues" network, but there's plenty of room on a station for shows that highlight the problems men are facing today, and things that can be done to address those problems. Stick them between football and swimsuit competitions if you have to... just stick them in there SOMEWHERE. The potential for such a venue to raise awareness among the general population is so large... it'd be a shame to throw it away in favor of one more station that plays assenine "reality shows".
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I'd like to see them do some stuff more pro-actively male; a slap in the face of all the Lifetime movies. Maybe one of some bitch who drags some poor guy through the muck and mire of false allegations of abuse, or a series with a bitchy ex-wife who won't let the character see his kids, and keeps trying to get more money out of him, all of this aided and abetted by "Family Services."
I know some people will grumble about all that,, but do you know what all these portrayals of men as mean and uncaring bastards, and CSS bureaucrats as noble crusaders on these women's channels get us? A culture full of anti-man stereotypes, and pro "Get the Man, the bastard" stereotypes. It needs to be countered, and just squawking "T'aint So!" isn't getting it done.
There's reality TV.
---- Burn, Baby, Burn ----
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I got one positive story yesterday regarding child custody from a guy I was chatting with.
He lives outside DC and recently went through an ugly divorce. For some reason (not sure why but it was connected with getting custody of his son) he had to stay in the house during the divorce. He endured 6 months of his soon to be X banging some guy upstairs in HIS house while he slept on the couch and his son slept in the next room... but in the end he got sole custody of the boy. Now she sees the boy once a month for 4 hours and has missed almost every child support payment she was supposed to make.
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I also can't see around the idea that a spike, being a long, hard thing, is not unlike the phallus when erect.
Or am I just being Freudian here?
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by Anonymous User on Friday June 13, @01:43PM EST (#15)
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The name "Guy TV" bothered me too. You are right, the word "man/men" has become somewhat denigrated.
Lately, it seems that one can often hear things like "it's a guy thing" in popular culture referring to idiotic behavior - as if all men share a bond in idiocy.
I will use the word MAN more often when around my PC friends and see how they react...
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I agree that "guy" is a less formal version of "man" but don't think it is used in a way any more derogatory than "man."
I see hundreds of examples of "men are pigs," "a woman needs a man like..." etc.
I think the women who really hate men find the words almost interchangeable.
That being said, if any of the men out there prefer to be called men instead of guys that's their business. Personally, I don't care either way.
One thing I have noticed though is that the word "ladies" is used WAY WAY MORE often than "gentlemen." People either use "The Ladies' Room" or "The Men's Room." That has always irritated me. It almost sounds wierd to say "The Women's Room" and "The Gentlemen's Room."
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Especially when I see far, FAR more gentlemen in this world than ladies.
All ladies are women, but most women aren't ladies. I always point that out when someone gives me heck for not calling her a lady when I've referred to others as it. Heh.
Women aren't better than men.
Men aren't better than women.
We're just different. Deal.
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Mark wrote, "I agree that "guy" is a less formal version of "man" but don't think it is used in a way any more derogatory than "man."
My point exactly, Mark. "Men" is used in the more derogatory sense, and "guys" is used when the speaker want's to be less derogatory. ('Men' are evil; 'guys' are just stupid.) I see many people consiously avoid using "man" or "men" like it's not something one would say in polite company.
Sure, there are places where the vernacular 'guy' is appropriate: "one of the guys," etc. I'm not suggesting that we don't use it. My point is that we need to start to use "men" again where it's the correct word, not fall back on the safer, less politically incorrect "guys."
I see hundreds of examples of "men are pigs," "a woman needs a man like..." etc.
Yup, but rarely "a woman needs a guy like..."
I think the women who really hate men find the words almost interchangeable.
True enough. I'm referring, however, to the more general cultural tendency to avoid using "men." Not just the raging bigots who find some kind of sick self-validation in their blind hatred, but the more innocent masses who've been mislead to believe that there's something 'wrong' with men.
Language is powerful. It's an important part of what shapes our thoughts and attitudes. This subtle little paradigm shift will help restore positive perceptions, and improve men's lives in the long run.
BTW, and I've mentioned this before, I intentionally use the words "fireman," policeman" etc, rather than their PC alternatives. When some 'gal' gives me flak about it, I tell her that I'll consider changing when she stops using "gunman," "conman" etc.
Ragtime
The Uppity Wallet
The opinions expressed above are my own,
but you're welcome to adopt them.
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