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by Anonymous User on Tuesday August 06, @06:50AM EST (#1)
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I will not be using your cards or indeed the cards of MSN because they are all very low quality. The only people who send e-cards anyway are women and emasculated men. If you really must send e-cards then why not just send a regular email with a pic attached and write your own caption or message.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday August 06, @10:56AM EST (#3)
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I will not be using your cards or indeed the cards of MSN because they are all very low quality. The only people who send e-cards anyway are women and emasculated men. If you really must send e-cards then why not just send a regular email with a pic attached and write your own caption or message.
I agree. While I understand that "turning the tables" can be fun and satisfying as a form of revenge, these e-cards just make the men's movement look like a petty little petulant child. "See, I can do it to you, too! Neener neener neener," in other words.
Myself, I feel that men in general are above attacking women in the childish ways women attack men (like with e-cards and greeting cards), so I won't be using the cards, either.
Trudy's overview, on the other hand, is excellent.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday August 06, @12:28PM EST (#4)
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I think both versions of the card are funny, though I wouldn't send either of them to anyone. That might sound hypocritical. Maybe it is. I think they're funny to look at, but not to send, except maybe as a joke to someone who I know will get the joke.
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The regulars here may already know much of what Trudy writes in her overview of the men's movement. I'm glad she wrote it, though. It's a good summary to show to anyone who is interested in the movement, especially those who don't realize how badly we need to address men's issues.
I liked her statement, "It is high time we recognized the fact that feminism was a social experiment that failed, and begin to repair as much of the damage done as possible." Truer words have never been spoken.
Thanks for all the great work, Trudy.
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Thomas, I agree. I just read Trudy's "What is the Men's Movement Artical in the DLJ, and I have to say I feel really blessed by her words and her involvement in our issues. Living in a city like L.A. I really miss that down home folksy atmosphere, where people just sit a spell and visit; talk to you, not at you. Her insight and comments are keenly perceptive of the issues we as men are struggling with. Trudy, and people like her, are what's right about the world. What's the Men's Movement about? Decent treatment and respect for others is a great start. Thanks Trudy, Desert light is a guiding light.
Ray
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I just read Trudy's "What is the Men's Movement Artical in the DLJ, and I have to say I feel really blessed by her words
No doubt as Trudy and I get to know each other better (and I look forward to it), we will have our points of contention. We will, no doubt, disagree at times. Nevertheless, though I don't go in for hero worship, I will say that Trudy is one of the shining stars.
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Actually, if these folks had better variety and improved their artistic quality a bit, then I think they might actually make a few bucks. Perhaps a little less-overtly sexist, or at least more subtlety (sp?), might get the ma good review.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday August 06, @01:09PM EST (#6)
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Actually, if these folks had better variety and improved their artistic quality a bit, then I think they might actually make a few bucks. Perhaps a little less-overtly sexist, or at least more subtlety (sp?), might get the ma good review.
I disagree because I don't think "tit for tat" cuts it. Now, if they had ORIGINAL woman-bashing cards and not rip-offs of the male bashing ones, it might be different.
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That's actually what I meant, some originality. And not necessarily woman-bashing, but pro-masculine at least.
They might be onto something that will at least help pay for thier existence on the Web.
Are ys listening, guys?
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not necessarily woman-bashing, but pro-masculine at least.
Now there's an idea. If you're listening, guys, you'd need a graphic artist to do the drawing, but feel free to use my idea of women at a cafe drinking wine and laughing, and a man in uniform, face down in the mud, with a hole blown in his back. The caption on the page with the women would be "She buys." The caption on the page with the man would be, "He dies." It might be especially worthwhile if we get bogged down in Iraq and reinstate the all-male-draft for combat.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday August 07, @01:37AM EST (#17)
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Yes, Yes, Yes.
What Thomas said. His idea for the "She buys-He dies" cards is brilliant.
AND it would, IMO, get our message through MUCH more concisely!
As for FEMALE-bashing cards, I agree with some of the other postings I've read saying, It is a bit petty.
My family has a saying about "Fighting fire with fire". It is as follows..; "NEVER fight fire with fire. Because THEN you have TWO blazes instead of just the ONE blazeing out of control, The Whole forest burns down and ALL are left with NOTHING."
An uncle in my family started that saying.
...I think He was drunk when he said it..., but you get the idea.
Thundercloud.
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Personally I think there are tonnes and tonnes of issues at current, simply because the needs of men and boys have been regressed for far to long.
Everything from school work to fatherhood.
I still want a 'birth control pill' for men. We went skinny dipping on sunday night. I met a girl, we were all drinking and she made the first move. I was so attracted to her I didnt care what happend, (along with the alcohol). If she gets pregnant things could turn real bad real fast. I just want some more security in that area thats all.
I definately want more rights in court, Im tired of the tie going to women or in my case even the most bizarr bullshit accusation going to the woman simply because.
I'd like to as a man stop being looked apon as a doofus.
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I am suggesting a "Not Every Man is Marc Lepine Day" December 5th.
Dan Lynch
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday August 06, @05:42PM EST (#10)
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In all seriousness, be careful. Don't ever let liquor or attraction make you not care what happens. If she pops one, your entire life is ruined forever. Even the greatest sex in the world isn't worth ruining your entire life over.
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"In all seriousness, be careful. Don't ever let liquor or attraction make you not care what happens. "
Where were you before the 'street festival' started?
She was gorgeous, and she had power over me. Maybe I can charge her for sexual assault, tell them I was paralized with horiness or fear or something. :-).
Anyways I have been sick to my stomach all day yesterday, I never asked her if she was "okay" or anything. I haven't even talked to her. I only know her first name and where her trailer is, thats it.
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I am suggesting a "Not Every Man is Marc Lepine Day" December 5th.
Dan Lynch
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday August 07, @01:20AM EST (#16)
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All I can say, Dan, Is Please be careful.
I caught a little heat from saying this before in my previous postings, But THIS is exactly why I avoid women for the most part.
As a general rule I love them, I just don't trust them.
Again...; Proceed with caution.
Thundercloud.
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Was it Jimmy Buffett who said "...a permanent reminder of a temporary feeling..." ?
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She was gorgeous, and she had power over me.
Dan,
I'm assuming from your comment that you are younger than I. When I turned 40, a friend (female) assured me that life was only beginning. She was right. Anyway, I want to give you one of my favorite quotations :
"From one year to another we see things in new lights. What was unreal has grown real, and what was exciting is insipid. The friends we used to care the world for are shrunken to shadows; the women, once so divine, the stars, the woods, and the waters, how now so dull and common; the young girls that brought an aura of infinity, at present hardly distinguishable existences; ... Instead of all this, more zestful than ever is the work, the work; and fuller and deeper the import of common duties and of common goods."
- William James
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by Anonymous User on Thursday August 08, @02:12AM EST (#23)
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Larry, I really like that.
Thundercloud.
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I was just going to say I'm new to the men's movement, but that's kind of silly when I think about how old I am. I suppose like a lot of men I never had issues until the women's movement came along and over a period of decades made it a major part of their agenda to destroy my rights.
What is the men's movement? I would like to think it is a swinging of the pendulum back to a balance where men are allowed to be men and women are allowed to be women, and the atmosphere exists were neither is subordinated to the other in value. Only when there is a realization of our differences and our commonality can the bridge be built to accept the totality of our combined beings. The men's movement then is a struggle to find that equality that has been sacrificed on the altar of women's rights during the past few decades, when women were struggling to assert themselves in a male dominated structure of power and leadership that was pervasive at many levels and in many places.
Ray
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1. How do families where one parent goes out to work compete/survive economically with those where BOTH go out to work? And who looks after the kids if both want to go out to work? (Other women, presumably.)
2. How can the 'balance' swing back given that, according to you, that means back to a "male dominated structure of power"? - which, by the way, still exists - if you choose only to look outrside the home?
3. Who ENFORCES this equality? And HOW is it enforced? Affirmative action, perhaps? Phony gender-discrimination laws? Equality of 'outcome' quotas?
4. How do you force equality between an orange and an apple? Do you pay a woman who can carry one brick the same as a man who can carry two? How do you resolve this? THERE IS NO RESOLUTION that will seem fair to both parties.
I could go on, but I won't! :-)
AH
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I think the solution will come, as it does in national diplomacy, when both parties find a solution that is equally unacceptable to both.
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"I think the solution will come, as it does in national diplomacy, when both parties find a solution that is equally unacceptable to both."
It won't come to negotiations or even romotely to resolution unless men start squacking more. Look at the parternity bill, its already feminist and contrived of more bullshit.
Those fucking cunts don't even see whats wrong with their thinking one bit its that bad.
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I am suggesting a "Not Every Man is Marc Lepine Day" December 5th.
Dan Lynch
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AH:
I did leave the last part of that last sentence dangling without explanation, and although it was true, it was misleading, because it did not explain how male dominance in the workplace came to be, still is today, etc.
It's certainly not our fault that more women haven't wound up higher on the career ladder than they are. The reason is obvious. You just don't see too many women willing to pay the price to work their way up that hard ladder of career advancement like men do.
I would love to trade places, stay home with the kids, etc., but I've never been able to find a woman willing to totally trade places. They want it all, they just don't want to have to work for it (pay their dues).
It's very similar to the way some of them approach marriage, when you stop to think about it.
Thanks, AH, for covering my back so well on that missing piece of information.
Best Wishes, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Thursday August 08, @02:19AM EST (#24)
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Ray, I think the Marx-fems and ALOT of women think that "equality" means haveing everything HANDED to them.
At least that's what it looks like to me.
Thundercloud.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday August 08, @08:49AM EST (#25)
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AH, you make a good point. You can't legislate "equality" any better than you can legislate the behavior of say the HIV virus. Optimum "equality", in family law, would be achieved by elimination of most, if not all, laws.
Lock & Load
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This has all been building up inside of me for some time so the fact I’m speaking a little hard sometimes doesn’t surprise me, but it may you. I’m reminded of all the images of those jets hitting the world trade center towers. It’s amazing when you stop and think about how much video documentation actually occurred of those events. I even saw a release of the one going into the pentagon, with the last frame omitted, obviously for some security reason. So what’s the point of recalling the terror, the horror, the humanity lost in those macabre events?
I guess it’s the magnitude of the tragedy that creates such a strong parallel. The events of that morning were very concentrated and dynamic in the way those enormous structures (twin skyscrapers) and technologies (four airplanes) played a part in the demise of so many innocent human lives.
Nothing so dramatic is evident in the picking off of one childless father, or one battered husband at a time, until you add up all the lives eventually lost and find a human tragedy of a much higher magnitude. Certainly, this greater tragedy than Sept. 11, has been steadily occurring in the lives of innocent men in America as a result of a concentrated campaign of hate relentlessly attacking, and destroying life, after life, after life.
I am reminded of some the words of a song, sung by Bruce Springstein, during that special about a week and a half after the Sept. 11 events. “My city's in ruins, my city's in ruins, come on and rise up, rise up, come on and rise up, my city's in ruins.” It chokes me up even now as I write the words, but I must write on. Change the word city's to life's and you would have the words of tens of thousands of childless fathers and battered men in America today.
How long... What will it take, to bring the end to all the pain I feel every day living in a country where laws exists solely to do evil to me, and other innocent, victimized men like me? How did I feel on the day of that tragic event, when I saw Barbara Boxer, Hillary Clinton and there bigoted ilk standing on the steps of the capitol, singing, “God Bless America?” Numb, very numb... This is no longer my country in heart, or mind. With every passing day, wherein good people are unable to change the law’s abuses, the number of men like me grows, and grows.
America is no longer a country that fairly addresses grievances under law or dispenses equal justice to all. It is nothing more than a facade of the creation it started out as, now devoid of the principals it once stood for.
Heed my words you radical feminist you have sowed the wind, but you will reap the whirlwind. There’s a storm of righteous law a commin’ on your evil laws and it can’t come too soon. May God bless this end himself, and may good men and women everywhere join together to see it through.
Ray
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