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by Anonymous User on Tuesday July 23, @10:35PM EST (#1)
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It's disgusting that feminist ideologues have become so blindly sexist that there is actual concern about "sabotaging" the commission's goals.
...and we all know from reading the articles posted here, that feminist involvment in ANY issue becomes unhealthy for men (this obviously is by design).
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday July 24, @02:30AM EST (#2)
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I may be showing some ignorance here, But I was wondering...; Does any one know if this commission's studies will include any study on the media's effect on men and boys?
If so, I wonder what effect the findings would have on the feminist's main tool of propaganda against Men, Television.
'Just curious.
...Thundercloud...
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The studies that the NHCSM will undertake will be limited by two factors:
1. Whether the members of the commission are willing to undertake such a study.
2. Whether the commission has enough funds to perform such a study. Good research takes a lot of time and effort, and some financial expenditure.
I'd personally love to study the media with regard to men, but even if the commission were favorable to it, it might depend on what it would cost. Also, the commission's stated goals explicitly state three main areas of interest:
- Fatherhood (or fatherlessness)
- Men's health
- Education status
I think a study on the media might be tied in to education, but this probably won't be one of the first studies done by the commission, IMO.
Scott
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I think a study on the media might be tied in to education...
Actually, I think it could very easily go under the "Fatherhood" heading.
I have no doubt that the constant, unrelenting message of 'father is evil,' 'father is stupid,' 'father is a boor/brute/buffoon' that's in heavy rotation on Western primetime TV, in sitcoms, movies-of-the-week, and advertising, has a very definite and deleterious impact on men, fathers, fatherhood, and the health of the family.
Which is exactly the desired result, of course, for a believer in feminist ideology.
However, considering the wonderful work on men-in-the-media presented in Spreading Misandry, it might actually be more 'profitable' to focus your energies elsewhere, perhaps an area that doesn't have good data readily available.
As you pointed out, Scott, research is expensive in both time and money. So where can it be focused to get the largest return? Where's the fulcrum point where a small push will have a large effect?
We need ideas on what to do, both for the Commission and the Men's Movement in general, so here's one:
I don't think it's as effective in the short term to expend energy trying to change peoples minds about old concepts (feminism) as it is to introduce 'new' ones.
Sure, we know that feminism is the ninth pit of greed, lies, and hate, but there are plenty of folks who have made a big investment into its dogma. Misguided, for sure, but often out of a desire to be 'fair,' and to promote what they've been convinced is 'equality.'
Sure they've been brainwashed, but they don't see it that way. Like religion, we can't expect to change their beliefs with reason. For the masses, I'm afraid it'll take emotional reasons.
So, let's not start off by trying to convince everyone that feminism is capital-W Wrong.
Let's appeal instead to the general person's sense of sympathy, fair play, and equality. Let's introduce some 'new' concepts to talk about.
I think mens health is a good place to start. We won't say 'feminism is responsible for the deaths of thousands of men' (which is probably true), we'll simply say, "Oh, look, men die 10 years younger than women. Isn't that sad? How can we fix that?' or 'Do you realize how many men commit suicide? There's something really wrong here -- we've got to help them.'
We simply need to reinforce the research that shows that these things really are happening, and then appeal to people sympathy to start things rolling towards solving it. Like, "hey folks, we've got a real problem here, we've got to do something to help these poor guys!"
If we raise sympathy for fixing the problem, removed from criticizing the root feminist _cause_, we may get futher.
Appeals to kindness and sympathy will get us further faster than accusing folks of being part of the problem because they've been duped into a belief in feminist scripture.
Nobody wants to be made to feel like the 'bad guy/gal,' but many will try to 'help out' someone who's down.
The issue is getting people to recognize men's problems. Men's suffering is as common, and as invisible, as the air we breath. It's so endemic in our culture, it's accepted as the normal, natural state of affairs. Like the old blues song: "Been down so long it looks like up to me."
Eventually, as men's problems become recognized and there's general sympathy for male suffering, as 'helping men and boys' becomes the cause-of-the-day, the fact that the problems are rooted in feminist propoganda, greed, and gender bigotry will be 'discovered' by the general public pretty quickly.
Then we can say, "See, I told you so -- and you thought I was a nut."
(BTW, I can't wait to see how the revered 'guiding lights' of feminism -- Steinem, Dworkin, etc. -- will be treated in history books 20-30 years from now. History will not be kind to them. They'll be right there, along side Stalin, Hitler, Goebbels, Richelieu, Mengele, Vlad the Impaler, and Ghengis Khan sharing the chapter on 'The Monsters of History -- Supremacists, Propogandists, and Genocidal Maniacs.' I break out into a silly grin whenever I think abut it. Gawd, I only hope I live that long!)
Ragtime, the nut.
"Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly-marked feature of all law-religions, or religions established by law. Take away law-establishment and every religion reassumes its original benignity."
-- Thomas Paine, The Rights of Man
The opinions expressed in this posting are my own, but you're welcome to adopt them.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday July 25, @03:25AM EST (#5)
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Ragtime, Thank you. You've given me some good food for thought.
...Thundercloud...
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I think mens health is a good place to start. We won't say 'feminism is responsible for the deaths of thousands of men' (which is probably true), we'll simply say, "Oh, look, men die 10 years younger than women. Isn't that sad? How can we fix that?' or 'Do you realize how many men commit suicide?
Unfortunately they have pat answers to these.
men die ealier -> men are biologically inferior
men suicide -> so what, men are violent
cheers,
sd
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