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I'm not familiar with Canadian Laws, but aren't due process and evidentiary hearings part of the legal system?
This law looks like it is a witch-hunt attempting to abolish heterosexual relationships and transfer all wealth into female control.
A women could lie that she was "with" some very wealthy man, and take possession of his assets. Yet according to this law - no woman would ever do that...sic...
Are the men in Ontario "MEN" - are you going to sit around and let this law pass without serious opposition and outrage?
If this law passes, all the men in Ontario should boycott paying all taxes to your fascist government until you live with equal rights again... what have you got to lose?
The laws in my state (MA) are blatantly anti-family and anti-male, and women have considerable legal advantage by using potentially false accusations (which court appointed "advocates" and lawyers advise them to use - why not - no evidence is necessary to prove your claim) in order to ruin a man. I pity the the guys in Ontario that hook up with a vindictive woman, your life is over.
Stop this law at all costs!
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I agree 100 percent, cheddah. I'm under the impression, though, that the public in Ontario has very little knowledge that this law is about to be passed.
I send that link to Wendy McElroy (ifeminists.com), who also happens to live in Ontario. She didn't know about the bill and was completely appalled by it.
Hopefully, word will spread and outrage will ensue.
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It's long since become obvious what feminists, who have tremendous power, are up to. Men need to stop groveling for women and start standing up to them. A very high percentage of women, even those who aren't staunch feminists and don't devote their lives to cultivating and spreading anti-male hatred and lies, still love to believe those anti-male lies despite a plethora of evidence to the contrary.
It's a harsh thing to say, but if the men of Ontario allow this bill to become law, they will, to a large extent, be getting exactly what they deserve. It's time to stop cowering and start organizing with more determination. Are there really any men in Ontario?
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday September 25, @06:09PM EST (#4)
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The catch in Ontario, as well as elsewhere in Canada, is that if the accused man pleads guilty to whatever he is accused of he will not get a criminal record and will be able to return to his home and children. If he does not plead guilty, he will get entangled in a prolonged litigation, which he is going to lose anyway as the dictum in Canada's courts is: "Believe the woman". Few men have the resources, either mental or financial, for that. Thus they end up pleading as is asked before they even see the judge. Pathetic. This is called justice Canadian style.
I stole the following from a long letter on the Fathers Canada Website URL http://www.fathers.ca/ontario's_violence_court.htm
Gender as a factor in the Domestic Violence Courts.
These courts operate on the principles as laid out in the Duluth Model. The Duluth Model is a "blame and shame" behavior modification
approach, focusing only on the perpetrator's role. It is interesting to note that when the law enforcement authorities have no choice but to accept that the woman was the principal aggressor, they are given a way out:
"The need [in Duluth] was to arrest the predominant aggressor. If that was the woman she would be offered a diversion programme. The prosecutors had a special policy for charging and prosecuting in these cases, to prevent the men from using the court as a means of control."
The Ontario Pilot Projects.
"The pilot project model was refined through a collaborative process of consultation and discussion. The major components of the two pilot project models include the following
1) a special arrangement for 'first offenders' pleading guilty to low level offences (in North York);
2) a specialized and integrated approach to the prosecution of all domestic violence cases (in Old City Hall) by police and crown attorneys who work together to collect additional evidence beyond the statement of the victim. Therefore, if a victim recants or changes her story, the additional evidence is submitted to prove the assault;
3) the provision of seats in intervention programs for offenders mandated by the Pilot Courts (in North York). These programs are provided by community agencies that demonstrate a commitment to following Accountability
Standards and Guidelines approved by the Metro Woman Abuse Council. These programs are cost shared by the offender on a sliding scale basis.
4) a commitment on the part of both pilot projects to work with others in the community responding to woman abuse through a co-ordinated and collaborative process."
I. North York
"...The offender must plead guilty and is required to participate in a "male batterer's program" (The Hon. Dianne Cunnigham, Ontario Women's Directorate on Domestic Violence Court Pilot Project) [my note: i.e., only men are offenders]
The project targets first time offenders where there is no significant /visible injury to the person abused. [my note: if no signs of abuse, the term should be allegedly]
Cases are screened by the Crown Attorneys, who identify those eligible for the Pilot court. Women victims [my note: only women can be victims] are given information cards by the police which urge the woman to contact the
Victim Witness Assistance Program at the Courthouse. Cases are then also
screened through the victim witness co-ordinator's individual contact with victims. These identified cases are directed to attend the specialized court.
At the court, a group of both the men and their partners are introduced to the project. The women then go to a different room as a group, and meet with a Crown Attorney. There is group discussion and, most importantly, each woman has an opportunity to talk about what she wants out of the court process.
If an individual before the court on abuse charges agrees to plead guilty, and assuming his partner is agreeable, the court will accept the
guilty plea. His plea will be entered and he will get a series of court orders from the judge. The orders will be Bail Conditions which will include
mandated attendance at an intervention program for batterers. His Bail orders will also be changed to allow him to reside with his partner. It is specified that if his partner feels threatened or afraid she should contact Police immediately and the Bail condition can be changed to get him out of the house. [i.e. no abuse, only an allegation that the woman feels afraid or
threatened can get a man evicted from his home]
While the women are speaking with the Crown Attorney and Victim Witness Co-ordinator, the men have the opportunity (if there ever was an oxymoron, that is one!) to meet with the centralized intake staff person, provided by
the Metro Woman Abuse Council, who is responsible for assigning individuals to the intervention programs. As the men meet with the centralized Intake staff they begin to decide if they will plead guilty and if so, they are assigned to an appropriate agency. Currently, there are ten community agencies providing intervention programs that men may be referred to, including a range of ethno-specific agencies with various language and ethno-cultural capabilities.
Once all of the women have had an opportunity to identify what they want, the full court reconvenes. At this point those charged who are willing to plead guilty and enter the program appear before the judge and are mandated
to attend the already identified intervention program.
The offender is then given new bail conditions which cite that he is expected to attend the full program of sixteen weeks. During this time, the
partner will be contacted at least four times by the community agency to monitor her safety and to offer her support and services. While the offender
is on extended bail and mandated into the intervention program, any threats to the partner's safety, and/or breaches of the bail conditions, are reported by intervention program staff and handled by the local police.
At the conclusion of the intervention program, assuming that all has gone smoothly, with no risk or threat to the woman, the offender will reappear
before the specialized court and he will receive his final sentence. The final disposition will be a conditional discharge with one year probation.
All interventions programs must regard the safety and protection of potential victims as the highest priority. Towards this end, all
intervention programs must ensure that women partners are made aware of advocacy services through community/education outreach strategy.
The victim never causes the violence. A man's violence is a matter of personal choice. Intervention strategies with men who abuse should focus on the abusive behaviour, not on other family or relationship issues.
In working with men who abuse, the physical safety and psychological, emotional well being of potential victims must take priority over the
abuser's right to confidentiality.
Intervention strategies for men who abuse should undertake ongoing evaluation of program effectiveness, given that ineffective intervention may do more harm than good and jeopardize the safety of women.
Intervention programs must be an active participants within a community-wide response, and must not operate independently.
The creation of two specialized domestic violence courts in Toronto provided the opportunity to have batterer programs that strictly adhere to the
standards and guidelines.
After much negotiation, the Council agreed to administer a coordinated batterer's program. Agencies interested in providing batterer's programs could apply to be on a roster of agencies that would receive referrals of men from the Domestic Violence Courts. A group with representatives from women's advocacy services and prevention programs interviewed prospective
programs and identified ten agencies that met the criteria of the accountability standards and guidelines to participate on the roster. Using
the standards as a guideline, the agencies provide culturally based programs, while maintaining a common criteria and accountability process. This group of agencies is actively involved in ongoing collaborative monitoring, review and tracking of offenders. Extensive work is done with other sectors, such as probation, to ensure an effective and safe response to women who are being abused.
This system has been in place now for more than a year. In that time, over 250 offenders have attended programs at the ten agencies. There seem to be successes in the system, as well as areas for continued refinement and change.
Perhaps the most important move is our continued work to ensure that the purpose and goal of the program is to provide safety for women. We are
becoming clearer that while these programs can teach men that there will be serious consequences for their behaviour, but it takes a lifetime to change values.
We need to seriously reflect on how to continue to monitor behaviour and demonstrate the community will, indeed, hold men accountable
[A program for violent women offenders was shelved by the Correctional Service Canada because it would have made women accountable for their actions] for their abusive behaviour.] But we must also continue to find ways to reach out to women victims in order to provide support and resources to them such that they can have a real choice in creating a violence free life
for themselves and their children." [cut]
Now that the UW season is in full swing, we might be well advised to see what they stand for (Don't forget their Valentine's Day Card!!!):
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I regret saying this.... but Canada sounds like an awful place to have a family. It sounds like a bunch of fat-assed feminist/lesbian legislators are running a bureaucratic socialist "man-hunt" state up there. It reminds me of the Salem witchhunt hysteria.
Blame and shame...
I think Canadian men should be ashamed that such a sexist mandated program even exists.
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