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by Thundercloud on 10:04 AM June 15th, 2006 EST (#1)
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The bad news is; we will see no shortage of these types of movies for a long time. Hollywood is obsessed with female on male violence. Both male and female writers and producers get off on this sort of thing. A lot of Hollywood males are arch-typical Wussie-poopies, who get off on so called "strong women" who dominate and abuse sissified submissive males. Why do you think the Dominatrix is such a Hollywood staple?
But now the good news. Although I'm certain this movie will draw a reasonable female (and Wussie-poopie) audience, these movies are more and more often bombing. A lot of guys are getting tired of the "woman-beats-up-the-man" formula. Hollywood is as out of touch with men as they have ever been. They think that all men are like them, a bunch of pussified males who get off on female domination and male abuse.
I don't expect them to learn otherwise any time soon. They never go outside of Hollywood to do their focus groups. They just keep scratching their little, pointed, Wussie-poopie heads wondering why so few people are going to see their movies.
P.S. If you want a cool movie to see, go rent "The RING". I just saw it last week on DVD. Man, is it SPOOKY. and no male-bashing to be found.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Demonspawn on 02:31 PM June 15th, 2006 EST (#2)
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Seriously. This would be a perfect oppertunity to protest, not by boycotting, but by picketing the theaters that show this movie. We should go there on the opening day for this movie (21JUL06) and hold up signs making everyone who visits this movie aware that, with their money, they are supporting violence against men by women.
This movie, with the typical physical prowress of the genders reversed, depicts using coeersion, destruction of private property, physical attacks, and the threat of death to keep the partner in line. Is that not the very defintion of Domestic Violence? Is DV now comedy? Skip my previous statment... by seeing this movie, they are supporting domestic violence!
We need to come up with signs to use, to openly protest this movie. My honest first thought is to borrow the enemies attacks. Perhaps some famous female who was battered on the sign with: "If you think this was funny, you should really enjoy My Super Ex-Girlfriend"
I'm not the most creative with this stuff, unfortunatly. But here's my plan: I'm hoping you guys can help me come up with a few good slogans, we'll put them on signs, and I won't be the only one out there that Friday protesting this.
It's time to get past griping to eachother on a Internet messageboard. It's time to take a stand, get noticed, make a point.
--Demonspawn
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by RandomMan on 03:39 PM June 15th, 2006 EST (#3)
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It's time to get past griping to eachother on a Internet messageboard. It's time to take a stand, get noticed, make a point.
As great as your protests sound, Demonspawn, an awful lot of people around here have made similar statements condemning any sort of discussion as a waste of time. But such people are subscribing to a dangerous anti-intellectualism when they do so.
I, for one, use every possible opportunity to discuss our situation, and to refine the philosophical and moral arguments against misandry and feminism before I spread those words when I publish them or speak to others (alone or in groups). Don't insinuate or assume that the only possible route to change is direct action, or that people who engage in such discussions aren't doing anything to achieve change.
Direct actions and protests are important, but no more so than intelligent discussion of the issues. Would you tell the authors of the recent pro-male or anti-feminist media pieces we've been discussing to stop publishing their work and pick up a placard that only a few misandric girls will see?
I'm not telling you not to protest this film, it sounds like a fine idea and the film is offensive in the extreme in its glorification of intimate partner violence/domestic violence. But don't tell me and others here not to spend our time debating these issues. A well written column or even a blog post can reach thousands of people. Without debate and open discussion, it's difficult for people who publish and publicize these issues to generate male-positive and anti-sexist content that can successfully refute the latest misandric "logic" of feminism and influence public policy.
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by Demonspawn on 05:09 PM June 15th, 2006 EST (#4)
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Quick reply because I'm supposedly working on my paper ;)
I would never say that debate and discussion are unimportant. In fact, they are vitally important. To work hard to acheeve the wrong goal, we end up like the subject of an article yesterday or the day before (the man who shot the judge): the wrong action taken.
However, I do also feel that more than discussion is needed to turn the tide of misrandy that has taken over this country. To be scuessful we need to gain a critical mass of followers. To gain followers we need to be noticed by the general public. Since we cannot rely on the femnist-controlled media to get our message out, we need to do something public which is big enough to gain notice, and on point enough to gain the public's interest rather than their dismay.
More later, but the sum is: Talk is one thing, but it's not the only thing. I feel this movie, and what it represents, is a perfect oppertunity to launch into public notice. I don't want to see it passed by.
--Demonspawn
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by RandomMan on 07:33 PM June 15th, 2006 EST (#5)
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To gain followers we need to be noticed by the general public. Since we cannot rely on the femnist-controlled media to get our message out, we need to do something public which is big enough to gain notice, and on point enough to gain the public's interest rather than their dismay.
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Talk is one thing, but it's not the only thing.
Very well said, Demonspawn. I think we agree that discussion is a powerful tool to decide what should be said and done in public to advance the cause. Hate movements like feminism are difficult beasts to bring down, so it makes good sense to plan ahead.
For whatever reason, I over-reacted to your original statement, thinking it was saying something else entirely. No offense was intended, and please accept my apologies if any was taken.
As I said above, your protest is an excellent idea. Holding up a sign with a picture of an abused woman on it with a caption suggesting that anyone who finds the beating of women funny will surely enjoy the movie should be very effective. I wonder if Marc A. from NCFM-LA and his sign-carrying pickup are available? It would be quite effective at the premier.
I'm sure you're like me and most men's activists I know: I don't want to see anyone injured, abused or hurt. Unlike the women this film is supposed to appeal to, I want to see all violence (domestic and otherwise) reduced, and effective intervention and treatment programs for all offenders and victims, regardless of their race, gender or other attributes. It seems to me that the federal laws in the US are written that way, and I know the laws in Canada are.
Until women are forced to question why they take such sadistic delight in violence against men, there can be no honest discussion of the multi-causal, human phenomenon of DV/IPV, and it will remain grossly hypocritical for society to condemn violence committed by men in relationships as long as violence committed by women in relationships is both approved and rewarded. The result will be unnecessary suffering, injuries and deaths for many men and women, not to mention the enormous social costs.
If we reduce violence in families and relationships, we reduce the violence on the street. The only way to do this is to reject the feminist mythology which says that it's about "power" and "control", and that only women can be victims. What amazes me is that this myth, which is propagated by the "women's movement" is harming women at least as much as it is harming men.
Your approach to the protest you have planned forces people to either a) admit that they see men as less than human, and deserving of violence or b) confront their "conventional wisdom" which says that only women can be victims.
Until society starts seeing men as human beings, this insanity will continue. What scares me is that as soon as men start to realize just how seriously disenfranchised and hated we are in society, men will react suddenly and negatively to the threat. The appearance of male-positive and anti-feminist content in the mainstream media represents a turning point. If society hasn't begun an honest appraisal of the sources of misandry and violence in society before that happens, both men and women (many of whom flatly reject misandry and support our cause) will suffer the same social consequences as those who hate us and seek inequality in the name of ideology. Protests like yours help to "seed" the idea that men are human beings, and that inequality harms all of us, which in turn will lessen the severity of the inevitable reaction by men to their situation, and which will make people reconsider their misandry, to the greater benefit of all people.
Best of luck with it!
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by amperro on 07:35 PM June 15th, 2006 EST (#6)
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That's how it is in Hollywood
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by khankrumthebulgar on 08:35 AM June 16th, 2006 EST (#7)
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No Prostests or pickets it will only bring more publicity to the Movie. You need to understand that the Icons of Hollywood don't care about losing money. They want to change the culture. They want to impugn our Warrior Caste "Jarhead". They want to attack Masculinity "Brokeback Mountain". Now they want to make violence against Men by Women acceptable and High Comedy. This is their true agenda.
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by Thundercloud on 02:05 PM June 16th, 2006 EST (#8)
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Khankrumthebulgar-
Yes. Exactly. Hollywood is no longer an entertainment medium, but a social engineering machine. Movies like G.I. Jane and Charlie's Angels and Charlie's Angels Full throttle and subsequent movies like them, actually LOST money, but because they feature so called "strong women" and feature female on male violence they continue to crank them out anyway. I said in an earlier post that movies like this, including "My super-ex Girlfriend" tend to have low turn out. It has been shown that these movies DO NOT MAKE MONEY. If that is the case then WHY the hell does Hollywood keep making them again and again and again? That is a rhetorical question, of course, you, me and everyone else here KNOWS why they keep making them, and it is just as you've stated. They make them to change the culture. To make female on male abuse tolerated and acceptable, and to dinigrate masculinity, to tear down our collective spirit among many other social crusades the media rams down our throats.
Most men do not want to sit in a movie theater and watch while they as males are vilified, objectified, reviled, dehumanized and beat up by women. Of course I don't count Wussie-poopie men, they LOVE that sort of thing. And while I have watched the Wussie-poopie-fying of American men progress slowly, I tend to believe that most American men are still not yet Wussie-poopies. But the media will keep trying until every male in America is a submissive, spineless, groveling Wussie-poopie who gives up his freedom and man-hood to be dominated by a society of feminist women. That IS their goal. And for Wussie-poopie Hollywood males such a place would be heaven.
Sorry, Hollywood, I like having balls...!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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