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by Roy on 04:14 PM April 6th, 2006 EST (#2)
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I like your idea of a kind of debate "portal" or clearinghouse, though you could argue that a lot of that kind of give-and-take dialogue is already happening on blogs, in chatrooms, in commentary threads, Yahoo Groups, etc.
This particular author would not IMHO be capable of much debate, as she is a fuzzy thinker and a less-than-spectacular writer.
How can you write a piece about gender biases in the school system and fail to even mention the pernicious effects of radical feminism?
The word "feminism" is nowhere in the article, nor is the term "misandry."
The authoress' main published work is a personal diary about being pregnant. Yawn....
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by brotherskeeper on 12:35 AM April 7th, 2006 EST (#4)
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Dittohd,
It has occurred to me that if I were to stoop to the level feminists have on issues such as this (and I have also personally heard supposedly non-feminist women use the canard intentionally as a weapon), one of the half-truths I would tell would be the following:
Consider (in the US):
1. Women have had the vote since 1920.
2. 18-20 year old men did not have the vote until 1971.
3. Between 1920 and 1971, ~51-52% (maybe more) of the voting public consisted of women -- a clear majority.
4. Between 1920 and 1971, approximately 650,000 men died in wars; the wounded, disfigured and maimed ran into the millions. A disproportionate number of those that died were between the ages of 18 and 20, and were not allowed to vote They had no say in whether or not to fight and die in these wars.
Conclusion:
Based on the irrefutable facts above, women, for 50 years, forced young men into wars in which they were maimed, wounded and killed.
Note: Yes, I left out facts, but the ones I gave are irrefutable. I left out all of the issues surrounding society at the time and why the decisions made were made -- but then, so have feminists. I simply made a sweeping conclusion based on several unimpeachable facts.
I suggest that MRAs generate, along the lines of feminism, a number of these carefully constructed (admittedly) half-truths. They would make excellent arguing points -- forcing feminists (and those who espouse their views) to deconstruct the half-truths with CONTEXT -- something they never allow into their falsehoods.
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by brotherskeeper on 02:35 PM April 9th, 2006 EST (#13)
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Yep! Very, very succinct. An excellent soundbite. Superficially true, stifling true understanding.
Again, to stoop to feminists' (and to some extent, many womens) level, one would need to apply the soundbite constantly, with maximum snark -- elevate it to the level of an unassailable truth. It could become the EXPLANATION for EVERYTHING. This would, as in the case of feminists, trump everything -- logic, justice, fairness, true compassion.
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by TachyonMale on 05:02 PM April 12th, 2006 EST (#16)
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If you want more figures that are hard to prove, but can still be used against feminists:
80% of all murdered children were killed by their mother.
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by RandomMan on 12:41 AM April 7th, 2006 EST (#5)
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Dittohd, up here in Canada, it's AOK if the women are making more money than the men for less work than the men are doing. In fact, it's the desired outcome of such audits. Municipal and other governments and their agencies get a "pat on the head" if they manage to hire an all not-white-male workforce, even if men are most of the applicants. They give companies awards for overpaying their female employees, and for discriminatorily denying men equal pay or equal opportunity. An all-woman (regardless of color) company is just fine up here - the government, media and the feminists that own them encourage it, and give fines or prison time (to men only, of course), if employers don't comply. This naked, legislated sexism and racism is not only encouraged, it's seen as "progressive" and "just".
I now refuse to seek employment or business with any company that employs a Canadian woman, or that is bound by Canada's blatantly discriminatory, racist and sexist laws, even though I am a member of one of the "designated groups" supposedly deserving of "special treatment". I refuse to be forced to identify myself as "disabled" in my cover letters, which no woman would ever be forced to do, all so I can receive a less-than-fair chance at a few table scraps from the matriarchy. It wouldn't matter: I'd just be invited to go to the "back of the bus" with the rest of the white men as soon as I showed up to the interview anyhow. You see, sexism and racism against me are OK, even though I'm protected by the same legislation as poor, oppressed, white lady lawyers and doctors. I've actually consulted a human rights lawyer to press a case against a government agency that employs 90+% women, but refused to hire me when I was clearly the most qualified candidate. He tells me even though I am disabled and these women who interviewed me were made aware of the fact (to my great and never-to-be-repeated embarrassment), I don't have a case, because "discrimination doesn't happen to white men, according to the Human Rights Commission". He was a minority man that I greatly respect as a friend now, and was deeply embarrassed to have to tell me this fundamental, evil truth about our society. As a friend of mine says, it really is "all white men to the back of the bus, please", wherever you go now.
I've recently described feminists and their "average" female clients as the world's biggest "sore winners", and mentioned that if a woman anywhere is not outperforming, outearning and outdoing men in every possible way at every possible time, it's not enough for feminists - they'll claim that it's oppression by the fabled patriarchy and scream that men should be rounded up and removed from society. When men are completely marginalized (which we're starting to be), they'll just use their pet media to ensure that only appropriate agitprop gets published, thereby allowing them to continue their pogrom against men, boys and masculinity as a whole.
It makes me want to throw up.
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by RandomMan on 12:46 AM April 7th, 2006 EST (#6)
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One point I forgot to make, Dittohd: why would a company or employer risk being sued, fined or imprisoned, not to mention being pilloried in the media, all to hire a white man, when hiring anything but attracts praise, acclaim and a defensible position?
All white men to the back of the bus, please.
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by RandomMan on 02:23 AM April 9th, 2006 EST (#11)
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Dittohd, first, I wasn't asking you or anyone else to "fix this problem". I didn't realize that everything posted here had to contain a complete recipe for happiness as well as concerns or complaints about life under a feminist regime. Do you write your favored news channel and ask for solutions to every problem they report on?
Regardless, I've talked about the potential solutions to our issues before, at least as much as most people here do, probably more. At this stage, when it comes to Canadian feminism, there is little to be done until feminism trips over its own lies in public often enough to be noticed. However, that doesn't mean I won't be working with other men to inform them of what's really going on, or that I won't resist feminist tactics, courts and laws at every opportunity: I can and I do. Unlike American feminism, Canadian feminism is "top-down", in that the funding came directly from the federal government, and pushed the radfem agenda on Canadians who by and large reject it. That makes it a far more difficult beast to fight than the one bitching and snarling in the US, where there IS still some chance to make some changes through education, pressure and lobbying.
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by Davidadelong on 10:58 AM April 9th, 2006 EST (#12)
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Gee, I have an answer! The people of this Country should take what is ours; the right to govern ourselves! Get rid of the over paid toads that have sold their Humanity for their carreer and rule this Country from the bottom to the top! Perhaps then we will "actually" learn what is like to live a life as a Citizen, instead of a slave. Oh, that perhaps is somewhat radical, but is it any more radical than how we are being forced to live?
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by ArtflDgr on 01:30 PM April 7th, 2006 EST (#7)
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Independent Womens Forum
Our Mission
The Independent Women's Forum was established to combat the women-as-victim, pro-big-government ideology of radical feminism. We seek to restore, strengthen, and extend that which promotes women's well being by advancing the principles of self-reliance, political freedom, economic liberty, and personal responsibility.
http://www.iwf.org/articles/article_print.asp?Arti cleID=121
2. Myth: Women earn 75 cents for every dollar a man earns.
Fact: The 75 cent figure is terribly misleading. This statistic is a snapshot of all current full-time workers. It does not consider relevant factors like length of time in the workplace, education, occupation, and number of hours worked per week. (The experience gap is particularly large between older men and women in the workplace.) When economists do the proper controls, the so-called gender wage gap narrows to the point of vanishing.
(Essential reading: Women's Figures: An Illustrated Guide to the Economic Progress of Women in America, by Diana Furchtgott-Roth and Christine Stolba, published by the Independent Women's Forum and the American Enterprise Institute, Washington, D.C. 2000.)
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by khankrumthebulgar on 05:50 AM April 10th, 2006 EST (#14)
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I am sad to say that we have crossed the line of departure here. There is no possibility of a reconciliation between the genders only Civil War. I am waiting for the John Brown moment to arrive. Feminists will not be content until they turn all Men into Slaves. There needs to arise a Spartacus to lead a Slave Revolt.
Family Life is imploding in the US. Mark Rudov of Nonsense Dating has posted this on his website. Welcome to the Dark Side Mark.
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