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by Demonspawn on 10:00 AM February 22nd, 2006 EST (#1)
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New Mexico Military Institute, if any of you don't happen to know the abrev.
There were positions of command among the student body, and one would notice, quite politically correctly, that 50% of the top positions of command were filled by women......
Until you noticed that females were around 10% of the student body.
It's descrimination, plain and simple. Don't call it what it isn't, it's not reverse-descrimination. Don't allow that stupid-ass term to exist since it allows this buillshit to perpetuate that it's "OK" to descriminate against males, whites, or straights since it's "reverse" That's simply not true.
And look at the interview attached to the BBC article. His remarks were blown way out of purportion. Yes, women are less adapt than men at math and science (standardized national tests prove this), but the biggest factor is that women are less willing to work 80 hour weeks. It's a goddamn shame that, in a university of all places, you aren't allowed free thought and free speach.
--Demonspawn
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by RandomMan on 11:53 AM February 22nd, 2006 EST (#2)
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The university announced it was spending $50m (£27m) on women scientists over the next decade.
So, where the HELL is the $50m for men as liberal arts students and professors? Men are horribly under-represented in those faculties for the same reasons females are under-represented in the sciences: innate abilities as demonstrated by years of standardized testing all over the world. Either we try to socially engineer things for BOTH groups, or we don't do it at all. Otherwise, it's racism and sexism, pure and simple. If there were fewer African Americans than Asians in liberal arts faculty positions, would grants be given to preferentially hire Asians? What if it was Jews and Buddhists instead of racial "groups"? Would they create grants to hire more Buddhists? Don't think so.
What ever happened to merit as a hiring criteria?
Why is it that "equality" is only required when the group involved isn't men? You'd expect the pretentious, overpaid bunch at Harvard to know the philosophical, ethical and mathematical differences! Then again, these same morons can't figure out that men are a minority, or that females are a majority in their own country, even with census figures to prove it. The life expectancy gap sees to that quite nicely.
I was once on track to become a professor in a physical science. Then I was told that only females would be given new faculty grants in my field, so I had almost no chance of gaining a tenure-track position. Females are about 10% of the graduates in my area (as one expects when looking at SAT math scores and female "choices" as predictors of career outcome), yet the overwhelming majority of those hired in the past 10 years in Canada in my field are female. Open discrimination against men is not only legal, and written into our equivalent of the Bill of Rights, it's practiced without a single thought of the rampant hypocrisy it teaches. We've now encoded racism and sexism into law all over the western world, and we've taught generations of females that they're somehow innately better than men and that they deserve special consideration, all while simultaneously teaching generations of men that they're worthless, evil and don't deserve any consideration at all - this nonsense with Summers is doing exactly that right now.
How, exactly, does that do anything to promote "equality", ignoring the basic fact that men and females are not equal biologically or in vocational skills, as standardized testing has shown, over and over and over again!
I left my field in disgust, wasting years of my life and hundreds of thousands of dollars, because I'd have ended up in temporary and second-tier positions while my less qualified, less published female "colleagues" filled all the tenure track positions. I'd rather starve.
It's little wonder science, math and engineering are all going down the tubes in America and the rest of the world: we're hiring ideologues (or greedy hypocrites helping themselves to an undeserved "goody", depending on the individual) instead of the most qualified candidates to teach those fields at the highest level. Any female alive today with a job or education has benefitted from this discrimination in her lifetime, so they're all guilty of sexism as I see it.
All this crap is based on some mythical "historical disadvantage". The only people disadvantaged in academia in our lifetimes are men. Why should some female who has only known artificial, unearned, discriminatory advantage be able to claim some sort of victim status for something that certainly never happened to her. When will men be able to do the same? When does the cycle these sexists have started end?
Nobody who graduates from Harvard will ever work for me again, and I will ensure that as many people and companies as I can influence do the same. To me, it's the equivalent of having a KKK hood on in the interview - they're big on discrimination, too. So listen up, Harvard: your graduates are NEVER getting the job. Enough men like me NOT hiring your graduates can make your degrees worthless. Keep it up, and watch what happens.
Just doing my part for REAL equality.
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by Yanyan on 01:31 PM February 22nd, 2006 EST (#4)
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Right! I posted this on another board in response to the discussion of possible outcomes:
Quite possibly the results could be "1. Feminists prove they can always win" but that does not negate "2.Directors, stockholders etc of the institution start to get worried".
Because by 'winning' feminists shoot themselves in the other foot. A formerly prestigious university is shown to be just another feminist factory which has abandoned the search for knowledge and truth. Male students will cease to apply and it's awards are lowered in value. The imbalance in the sexes grows as it has in almost all colleges throughout the US. The media starts to ask questions.
Perhaps only then the people described in 2. will start to get worried and try to change policy. By then it's too late and the institution is locked in a downward spiral.
Your post demonstrates the downward spiral has already begun.
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by Thundercloud on 12:38 PM February 22nd, 2006 EST (#3)
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...but I find it interesting that WOMEN in similar positions can make all the "anti-male" remarks they want, and there is no "controversy", no repercussions and they are never forced to step down.
...Interesting...,
Thundecloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by oregon dad on 03:04 PM February 22nd, 2006 EST (#5)
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Feminists insist that men and women are "equal" and interchangeable. The real question is, does nature agree?
There are many ways to "equalize" competition.
In golf, we allow women to tee off 75 yards closer to the hole than their men "competitors". This would suggest that men and women are not equal.
In horse racing, it is well known that males are faster, stronger, and have more stamina than females. However, it has also been shown for 100s of years that males and females are highly competitive when you cut the balls off of the males.
In todays society, feminism's efforts at equality pursue the same tactics. By hopelessly crippling the male competitors, the females then meet with more success. (but complain bitterly about the perponderance of nuetered men)
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by RandomMan on 03:17 PM February 22nd, 2006 EST (#6)
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by Roy on 05:24 PM February 22nd, 2006 EST (#7)
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I'm only surprised that Dr. Summers didn't apologize yet again for having not resigned sooner.
This guy has offered up his career and integrity as sacrificial lessons for how NOT to deal with radical feminists.
His biggest mistake was not having the temerity to suggest that gender might be a factor worth further examination in efforts to understand the statistical distribution of both high and low academic performance. (Men disproportionately occupy BOTH genius and sub-normal categories; and Summers never stated that women cannot excel in the hard sciences.)
His biggest gaff was going on an apology-a-thon lasting months in an effort to appease the radical feminazis on the Harvard faculty ... many of them men!
And, here's the bottom line. No president can survive two votes of no confidence, because the faculty power base is unassailable due to tenure.
One the tenured Brahmins align against an administrator, it's game over.
Slate.com has several blog links on the Summer's resignation at -- http://www.slate.com/id/2136808/
So now Harvard gets to bask in its reputation as an academic toxic waste dump run by rabid feminists.
If you care to examine how this plays out, Google "Knox College". Several years back, Knox (in Galesburg Illinois) was ranked as the fourth best private liberal arts college in the U.S.
Then, the feminists on the faculty managed to pull off a successful curricular coup de' etat that "mainstreamed" feminist ideology across the curriculum.
In less than a decade, Knox went from #4 to #77 in national rankings.
And lost millions in alumni giving due to the plummeting status of a once-great small college.
Harvard may be next?
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by bull on 09:21 PM February 23rd, 2006 EST (#8)
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College, as an institution, is supposed to be a place where one can freely and safely argue opposing points of view. I guess that still applies so long as your point of view is politically correct. It's a sad state of affairs!
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by Thundercloud on 01:45 PM February 24th, 2006 EST (#9)
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Right.
Let us not forget that "political correctness", like Feminism, is a kind of dictatorship. And the one thing dictatorships do is severely limit free speech and try to squelch opposing views.
We are no longer a Democratic-republic, in the U.S. We are, indeed a dictatorship. Or we are on the fast track to becoming one. What has happened to Mr. Summers and countless others (especially men) is a perfect example of it.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by MAUS on 04:05 PM February 24th, 2006 EST (#10)
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(With half hearted appologies to Sammie Cooke)
Don't know much about quantum theory
In calculus I only got a "D"
Can't explain why certain substances bond
Comes to science I'm an air-head blond
But the way they treat girls is just so mean
And if Harvard would just make me Dean
What a wonderfull world this would be.
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