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by Davidadelong on 11:32 PM February 2nd, 2006 EST (#1)
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I am sorry to hear about your recent situation. It really sucks what they do to Men. As far as this woman goes, she is getting an awful lot of help from her attorney, and the judicial system in allowing her to go to a mental facility instead of jail as a Man would. Just like the woman that went "postal". Her behavior if exhibited by a Man would have qualified her for an internment in a mental facility at least. The system will eventually embarrass it self even more. But how many more Men and Children have to suffer before it does?
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by RandomMan on 01:57 AM February 3rd, 2006 EST (#2)
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It's a sorry state indeed. It's absolute nonsense that you were held on $200K bail on some woman's 41%-likely-to-be-false accusation, but since I recently demonstrated that in Canada, men are 0.014% as valuable as women, at least we now have some mathematical corroboration from the US (I assume that's where you were falsely accused, Anonymous). Let's see: 5 kids dead = 200,000. 1 woman claiming to be raped * 41% chance of false accusation = 200,000. Divide by the fact that the accused is also a woman, carry the 3, take the square root, hmm... Solving for the value of the man from the equations...
Yup, it's confirmed, we're worthless according to feminist society. I'll stand by my 0.014% figure for the relative worth of a man versus a woman under the misandric governments controlling our countries.
Sorry to hear about your ordeal with the false accusations. I hope you sue the lying bitch and win.
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by Luek on 12:34 PM February 4th, 2006 EST (#4)
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The female who went "postal" had only killed male ex coworkers she could have played the mental and maybe even the physical abuse card and got away with it. Enduring years of mental and physical abuse and all that stuff; dropping a few tears on the witness stand and hey at most a year in a mental facility then walkaway like Yates is doing.
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by Petros on 05:19 PM February 3rd, 2006 EST (#3)
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Carey Roberts wrote an excellent article on this and other double standards applied by our courts to female child abusers and murderers (Double-Standard Treatment for Child Abusers, by Carey Roberts, Jan 19, 2006): http://www.postchronicle.com/commentary/article_21 23871.shtml.
For what it's worth, I disagree with the death penalty and believe that criminal law's allowance for mental illness is pretty nineteenth century.
Courts have consistently refused to allow criminals to use the defense that they suffer from of any number of genuine mental illnesses (including paranoid schizophrenia!!).
Good reasons exist for this though, including: (1) The psychotherapy/pharmaceutical industry profits from inventing new "syndromes" and "disorders" every year (think "ADHD" which has allowed feminist schools to drug millions of little boys into compliance with ritalin, a form of speed); (2) often, there's a political motivation for inventing new "syndromes" and "disorders" (think battered women's syndrome); (3) it's too easy for criminals to fake various mental disorders; (4) even people who are mentally ill can and should be expected to exercise personal responsibility; (5) if mental illness were a defense to crimes, nobody would ever be convicted because we are all being diagnosed with problems these days. It would end up being the exception that swallowed the rule.
But none of this has stopped our feminist-friendly courts from making special exceptions for women. The recently invented "battered women's syndrome" allows a woman who murders her husband in cold blood a particularly easy excuse: her husband "abused" her. After all, he is not around to deny such "abuse" and the definition of abuse has now been widened by feminists (and the VAWA) to include "creating an atmosphere of intimidation" (in the subjective view of the woman).
At least postpartum depression (the defense used by child-killer Yates) is a real psychiatric disorder and was not just made up as a way to get women off with murder.
That being said, if we open the door to allowing the use of psychiatric disorders as a defense in criminal cases, we have to look at a host of legitimate psychiatric conditions that may cause/contribute to crimes. Are we really prepared to do that? I doubt it. Again, this is really just another example of special treatment for female criminals.
For example, testosterone is widely known to increase propensities to aggression and violence. Ever heard of 'roid rage?
Should men who commit violent crimes should be allowed to raise the equivalent of women's "hormone defenses" (which are manifested in various forms, including using the excuses of pms, postpartum depression and hot flashes)? Of course not!! Because that would be a cop out. People need to take responsibility for their own actions.
Any man who murdered all his children one by one in such a slow and deliberate way would never the have popular support (or publicly funded defense teams) enjoyed by Andrea Yates, no matter how mentally ill he was. As usual, what's good for the goose is not good for the gander.
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by RandomMan on 01:28 PM February 4th, 2006 EST (#5)
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While I agree with you re double standards, there are a couple of points in your post I wanted to address:
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even people who are mentally ill can and should be expected to exercise personal responsibility
How can someone in a psychotic or altered state of consciousness, who isn't even aware of their surroundings take responsibility for actions they don't even know they are committing? These people should be incarcerated when they offend, but in treatment facitilites, not prisons. That's the best we can do for them, their victims and society.
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For example, testosterone is widely known to increase propensities to aggression and violence. Ever heard of 'roid rage?
Testosterone has actually been shown to occasionally increase the state of calm one experiences in response to threats (damn, wish I could find the study) in some people, thereby enabling the person to deal more effectively with that threat. The rage, hostility and anger induced by steriods and other drugs is an entirely different mechanism, don't confuse the two! Masculinity does not lead to hostility, Petros. But your point about steroids, massive doses of any hormone, PCP or any other drug that can induce psychoses and/or rage is well taken.
I'm not arguing that a mental illness should always be a defense, I agree that lots of bullshit diagnoses are made every day, ADHD among them. I was a "bright", restless kid. Except when I was in school, the feminists hadn't taken over, so I was put in special education classes instead of just being drugged into "normalcy". You can't forget that some people are legitimately unaware of their actions. While this doesn't make the result OK, it does require that they be treated differently. Mens rea, the guilty mind, is a crucial requirement in our criminal justice systems. Someone who is truly mentally ill in a way that causes them to lack this state cannot be convicted of crimes where intent is an element of the offense.
All that being said, I fully agree that altogether too many people "walk" on bullshit diagnoses that have no bearing on their ability to form that intent. But I also feel that altogether too many people who would never offend again if treated are wrongly incarcerated or "warehoused" in prisons, when they belong in a hospital. Most of them are men.
None of this changes the fact that women enjoy the benefit of a nauseating double standard in the application of criminal and civil laws.
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by Davidadelong on 05:53 PM February 4th, 2006 EST (#6)
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Well said. A lot of People that are "psychotic" are also being manipulated. Perhaps we should not only be compassionate, but curious as well when some of these situations happen. It really would be a shocker if a small group of people were charged for taking advantage of a Person that needed help, instead of just throwing the Person in a Human warehouse as you have stated. Oh well, one can dream of an intelligent compassionate society, instead of a manipulated sleeping one.
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by Petros on 04:26 PM February 5th, 2006 EST (#7)
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Good comment. I think we really agree. My point is that mens rea (the state of mind that the prosecution must prove to get a criminal conviction) is not typically negated by mental illness (including real mental illnesses like schizophrenia).
The primary reason for this is that, in reality, most violent criminals are mentally ill or suffer from some diagnosable pathology. Arguably, we all fall outside current definitions of "normal" in one way or another.
I agree that a future civilized society may find ways to address this without creating an exception that swallows the rule. At the same time, I think we can all agree that currently this compassionate approach is not available to violent men but is increasingly available to violent women.
And the danger is that women will feign mental illnesses or use them and/or hormonal imbalances (such as pms and menopause) as an excuse to murder/abuse their spouses and/or children.
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