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by SacredNaCl
(tbessR3m0Ve2SendNEIN[SPAM]@R3m0ve.2.sendAt.mail.ru)
on 10:23 PM September 12th, 2005 EST (#1)
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Yeaaaaah, that will make then want to fly!
I've had my own bad experience with German airport security, but at least they only hauled me off to a hot little room for an hour an interrogated me in bad English, bad French, and really good German.
Freedom Is Merely Privilege Extended Unless Enjoyed By One & All.
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by Gang-banged on 08:14 PM September 13th, 2005 EST (#13)
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I would believe, that if one possess a Flight Ticket, then one is in possession of a contract for Safe Transportation by the issuer of that ticket.
For airlines to dodge their responsibilities by claiming 'not' to be responsible for security, seems a breach of such a contract.
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I think this is not only happening in Germany. Take a look at this
But you are right by saying "If this was a woman", their main objection is that women are being strip searched.
Bert
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From now on, men's rights first.
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by Anonymous User on 06:16 AM September 13th, 2005 EST (#3)
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Well, you see, there are MRAs here who insist that men and women should be treated differently with respect to their genitals: male genitals are up for grabs (they can be cirumcised without their consent), but the female body is sacrosanct.
I think this unequal treatment is ghastly. Some MRAs are blockheaded, and believe that rectifying discriminatory practices means one is bad as a feminist. That completely misses the point that the impartial application of certain moral principles of fairness is at stake.
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Well, you see, there are MRAs here who insist that men and women should be treated differently with respect to their genitals:
Ik know what you mean, indeed, we're living in a weird world.
When I registered to this site, about 1 year ago, I thought my English skills were good enough to understand what MRA means. Holy mozes, was I ever wrong. I didn't realize that MRA includes the right of women to degrade and humiliate men by training them like dogs, ow man, was I stupid. But lucky for me there came that fine lady and her well trained servants who educated me about the true meaning of MRA.
Yeah, it's a weird world we're living in.
Bert
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From now on, men's rights first.
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by jenk on 01:45 PM September 13th, 2005 EST (#8)
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I was going to say something like that we should talk to Glen Sacks to keep an eye on these cases. It is wrong to expect anyone to take off their clothing in public for security measures-it needs to be clear as day that this is not acceptable. We should be writing letters to the editor of this paper to ask why it was put in the lighter note section, we should be bringing up sexual harrassment loud and clear. The double standard applied here is abhorant.
Then I read Bert with his bone of contention, and I once again am sidetracked by someone else's ignorance and paranoia.
Get over it already Bert. Geez.
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Get over it already Bert
Once again you respond like a feminazi. As soon men start to give you some backlash, all you can say is "Get over it".
Bad news for you, I will never stop exposing frauds like you are.
Bert
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From now on, men's rights first.
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by Boy Genteel on 03:22 PM September 13th, 2005 EST (#12)
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"Bad news for you, I will never stop exposing frauds like you are."
She's not a fraud; she's done more for MRAs than you ever have. Attack her, and you had might as well attach Ray, or Roy, or myself. It would be THAT stupid.
Men are from EARTH. Women are from EARTH. Deal with it.
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by Boy Genteel on 02:41 PM September 13th, 2005 EST (#10)
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"I didn't realize that MRA includes the right of women to degrade and humiliate men by training them like dogs..."
It doesn't, of course, but you know that, and love acting like a twit.
Men are from EARTH. Women are from EARTH. Deal with it.
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by Luek on 06:33 AM September 13th, 2005 EST (#4)
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This man should not have let the inspectors humiliate him in public like that! I would never pull my pants down in public like that if an airport inspector told me to. This is much too often the problem with men. They will let authority figures screw them around and not do anything or even protest. Just look at what goes on in the corrupt family court system every damn day! Very few men fight back!!!
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by Tirryb on 08:34 AM September 13th, 2005 EST (#5)
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- "This man should not have let the inspectors humiliate him in public like that! "
Bear in mind we don't know the full story, but he may not have had much choice. When guards with guns are pointing them at you and telling you what to do, you don't always have a lot of say in the matter.
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by SacredNaCl
(tbessR3m0Ve2SendNEIN[SPAM]@R3m0ve.2.sendAt.mail.ru)
on 01:59 PM September 13th, 2005 EST (#9)
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When I had my encounter with the German airport police, it was bam...10 guys in black with guns nearly instantaniously hauling me off to a hot little room. When you are being confronted with armed thugs in a foreign country, you don't have a lot of room to bargain. Not that the TSA isn't an authoritarian fascist out of control gestapo, much like the rest of the government is becomming. Its very disappointing to see. We have so much to fix here, and if we don't act quickly its not going to be fixable.
Freedom Is Merely Privilege Extended Unless Enjoyed By One & All.
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by Anonymous User on 12:48 PM September 13th, 2005 EST (#7)
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Also how much does anyone want to bet that had the "stripper" been female, she would have sued for sexual harassment?
That is what THIS guy SHOULD do!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by ArtflDgr on 09:04 AM September 14th, 2005 EST (#14)
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not long after sept 11.. i had to visit family who moved to the midwest. returning home they "wanded" me... and kept at it till i was standing on those foot prints in nothing but socks and boxer shorts.. IN FULL VIEW PUBLIC..
all this to find out i hawe 1 body piercing on my chest. oh.. and i had to empty out my wallet becase they HAD to find the terribly dangerous condom pack i had...
meanwhile.. any idiot can go to a dollar type store buy a high density plastic cutting board and carve themselves all the weapons they want. they wont set off detectors...
they sell special knives that are plastic with ceramic edges in a few stores!!!
and of course... we all look for box cutters, and not looking for obsidian jewelry!!
[we like to think of the terrorists as dumb and lucky rather than smart and methodical. so we think they cant read a book, watch a movie (speed two has a dead mans trigger thereby making the technique of tackling and shooting in the head of innocent people, an action that does nothing), take a course, or actually have an idea!]
meanwhile.. anyone that WOULD do something would make sure that they didnt even have an iota of change, tin foil, or anything, so as not to be looked at
the scary part is that when you trust your safety to morons and administrators you get what the military likes to call a "cluster f*ck", or a "brain fart".
there are skills tests to learn what jobs you would do best in (suiting your personality, skills, etc -for instance women under 5'10' cant be runway models). when asked what job do they recomend people with NO skills and a general aptitude go into. the person in the interview says management, administration.
and these people are not smart enough to tell good tactics from bad tactics and have NO imagination at all. their lack of it is evident in trying to do the impossible, which is stop a determined enemy who is willing to die.
the bad stuff they do is legendary...
in places where they have police, army, and national guard... do you know what they do? they stand together talking to each other. oh yeah, thats good. you wouldnt want to make it too hard to take out most of the protection in one shot now. oh, and you wouldnt want them actually paying attention to things, talking about whatever is so much better on our dollar.
buildings have increased security.. not really. madison square garden has this beautiful high open entrance. leading to a large bank of doors that sell tickets at the main enterance. people in this place spread out. now, thats not the case, they make them line up in cues and so as not to take up much space in this huge space compress the line by going back and forth. so basically they now took a moderately dangerous situation and tailored it to maximize the damage in an attack. note that this is not during shows. during shows there is little or no checking given the volume of people.
other buildings with famous insides have secured them by saying no one can see them again. this is sad because its highly unlikely that terrorists will target the back lobby of the woolworth building to damage a tiffiny stained glass ceiling (which would never survive a shock wave from outside anyway).
we now have all these highway concrete barriers.. every little building with any kind of even distant potential has decided that they are so important that they need to blockade them.
meanwhile.. the only way to take the US down is to economically cripple us. there is no way to go head to head with the US. Hemoragging money and creating a run away inflation (which THEN they will really do things here), is what they are trying to do. they dont want us out of Iraq. they are spending pennies compared to an average of over 5 million or more per insurgent killed. better to offer them each 1 million and tell let them go home! its cheaper. the insurgency isnt trying to get rid of us (if they stopped and did nothing we would have left a long time ago! and all that would be there are the 4 bases, and THEN they could have started their shit, or the government could have closed them with a change of mind and heart)
here they can get us to spend 20 million with just a phone call and nothing happening!
in a war of attrition you get the other person to run out of resources critical to their cause and force an internal collapse.
if you can get into the plus position on this one its a very efficient and clean way to get the enemy to have to give up.
so far we have cut the corners off a square and still call it a square and not an octagon. thats a good analogy to our new constitution... you know, the one whose rules and rights can be put aside when they are inconvenient (which makes one wonder why bother if you then only preserve convenient ones, you need not make laws and rules other than to impinge on one set on behalf of another set).
the terrorists have already won. we let them. we let them change our lives. the security measures we have taken are not responsible for nothing happening here since then!!! which means we changed our lives for nothing, other than to appease osama and his followers.
they are winning and our government is too stupid to see that this is what they call "non traditional combat", which is why the newcons are so impotent. kind of like the british against the american revolutionaries (who were also terrorists - cant say the boston tea party was a real bash... not to mention trying to pin the whole terrist act on the natives rather than taking credit like todays bad groups do)
the british tried to fight the regular fight.. and god trumped.. bad supply and contact with mother nation (sound familiar), equipment not suited for the terrain (red coats, and humvees not armored), have to camp and live with the enemy amoung you (sound familiar), not enough soldiers to insure control (you get it).
of course bushies dont like history. they want to write it. too bad they have decided to do a remake. everyone knows that most remakes arent as good as the original, but i think they are doing a bang up job and will have a remake that will possibly exceed the originals from history!!!
meanwhile, i am not free to go about my business.. i am searched in my person as i go through my day. i am watched. soon cameras with id systems (being installed now says the news), will be recording all of us as we move from place to place. and the shooting of the brazilian is not enoug of a clear example of when there is a pass off. what happens when a person found to be a terrorist later was a person that asked you the time and directions and such in a city. you may be recorded and id'd with a 'connection'. dont think thats relevent... then learn how spies have communicated in the past. things as simple as a colored thumbtack on a board outside a restuarant.
as i said someplace else on the net, and it seems to be catching...
too bad there isnt an old america for the new america to flee to.
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Tirryb writes "News.com.au reports