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by Hunchback on 03:05 PM August 31st, 2005 EST (#1)
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No where in this article does it address the real concern of men's activists, namely, the double standard of only making men register for the draft. This in effect gives women superior rights in that they are allowed the vote, drivers licenses, federal student loans, access to state and federal jobs, etc., without the responsibility of registering. Also, in war time, they get to escape the life-interrupting, life-risking, and sometimes, life-destroying burden of being drafted into combat. A female of the same age gets to go to college while her male counterpart is busy being shot at, traumatized, maybe wounded, maybe killed; all this to protect her right to march and demonstrate: "My body, my business."
I don't even see how this thread snuck through in the first place. It doesn't address the issue that this is a uniquely male discrimination.
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by Anonymous User on 03:38 PM August 31st, 2005 EST (#2)
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There are women in the military dying just like men.
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by dschmidt on 03:59 PM August 31st, 2005 EST (#3)
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There are women in the military dying just like men.
Absolutely true (although in not nearly as high of numbers), and those particular women deserve our greatest honor and respect, just like the men.
However, the original poster's point is that the article does not address the only reason for this to be on a men's rights site. Namely that the draft is sexist in that only men have ever (at least in the US) required to register.
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by Anonymous User on 04:46 PM August 31st, 2005 EST (#4)
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"There are women in the military dying just like men"
And why aren't women being drafted into the military just like men?
After all, equality is equality....isn't it?
Hotspur
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by johnnyp on 06:59 PM August 31st, 2005 EST (#5)
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From 1980 to today 97.5% of military deaths are men. I think the total number of men killed in military service over the past 25 years is approximately 40,000 men, to less than 1, 000 women. Feminists should be up in arms about this gross under representation of women! After all, this is the age of sexual equality, isn’t it?
One other thing. During this same period men have lost about 700,000 military jobs, and women gained 30,000. I guess feminists like equality only when it is attached to a paycheck.
I actually think we should have a draft for women only. Retire all men from the military, and staff it solely with women for a generation. That would go a long way to achieving sexual equality and righting the wrongs of the past. That is what affirmative action is all about - isn't it?
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by johnnyp on 12:58 PM September 1st, 2005 EST (#11)
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I actually think we should have a draft for women only. Retire all men from the military, and staff it solely with women for a generation. That would go a long way to achieving sexual equality and righting the wrongs of the past. That is what affirmative action is all about - isn't it?
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by Anonymous User on 09:29 PM August 31st, 2005 EST (#6)
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"There are women in the military dying just like men."
What kind of crap is this?! If women are dying, at least they had a choice to do so or not, men have no choice. Everything from losing out on federal loans to threats of prison are used to scare men into registering. WHY ONLY MEN?! Also, believe me, we all know women die in the military, because whenever they do, the media beats us over the head with it by either calling her a hero or her death a tragedy (all by virtue of only having a vagina). Boy, if we made such a big deal about male soldiers everytime they died, the war would be over tomorrow. Give me a friggin break!!
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by Anonymous User on 12:26 AM September 1st, 2005 EST (#9)
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The draft that men presently have to register for is "just in case" a draft is instituted.
Oh, I guess that makes it fair and non-discriminatory. "Just in case" a draft is instituted, only men will be required to sacrifice their bodies and lives.
We presently have no draft and every man in the military and who died in this war joined the military voluntarily.
Wrong again, ditto. Even among those serving voluntarily in the military, men can be deployed against their will whereas women cannot.
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by Anonymous User on 01:25 AM September 1st, 2005 EST (#10)
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Uh, Dittohd, the whole story is about the draft. Yes, we have no draft YET, but we could. And if we did, it would only be men to go against their will. Where you get this "just in case" stuff is baffling. The draft is the draft. It's the same draft we have always had. Men MUST register for a draft when it is implemented, women don't. Hence, women have a choice to enter the military, men DO NOT! By the way, where have you been? We may hear of deaths but when we do, there simply reported as numbers, unless of course women are among the dead, then we have to know they are women, and then they are often made into false heroes (i.e. Ms. Lynch). And your and answer to this institutional sexism against men is that you heard
some teenage girl tried to change it and failed? BFD, where's NOW screaming for gender equity. Sheesh!
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by crescentluna
(evil_maiden @ yahoo.com)
on 08:31 PM September 11th, 2005 EST (#17)
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For this phrase:
"The law pre-empts young men's rights to make their own choice," from the defense attorney.
Men's rights.
For one thing, not every article has be about the opposition. For another, sometimes you have to take the piece of news and decide the correct action in context of men's activism. If you see an article that highlights a law that you feel is discriminatory, write to the editor about how it affects men.
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by johnnyp on 11:54 PM September 1st, 2005 EST (#12)
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The selective service (register for draft) is a national regulation. If a young man does not register (I do not know the age, but it may be before the 18th brithday), he is in violation of the law. There are several automatic penaties - no student loans, no federal jobs, etc. Some states add additional penaties.
You said move to another state - there is no other state because it is a national law, unless you mean Canada.
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by Kelly716 on 05:44 PM September 5th, 2005 EST (#15)
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Virginia is not the only state that requires males under 18 to pre-register with Selective Service in order to get a driver's license or permit. As seen at the link below, Louisiana has a similar requirement:
http://www.infowars.net/Pages/Nov_04/161104_draft. html
As seen at the following link, many states do have laws that require men of draft age (18-25) to be registered in order to obtain or renew a driver's license. However, a few states take it even farther (too far in my opinion) to require males who are years away from the federal registration requirement to pre-register in order to get a driver's license or permit.
http://www.sss.gov/fsstateleg.htm
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by Kelly716 on 05:47 PM September 5th, 2005 EST (#16)
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I forgot to format the text to provide links. Here are the respective links:
http://www.infowars.net/Pages/Nov_04/161104_draft. html
http://www.sss.gov/fsstateleg.htm
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by Anonymous User on 02:09 PM October 10th, 2005 EST (#18)
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"This applies to every single male," he said. "Nobody is singled out."
I think the kid missed the memo...half the population is singled out...all boys are singled out.
Jeff / This is not Equality
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