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by HombreVIII on 08:22 AM May 10th, 2005 EST (#1)
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it was more accurately described as "following someone around like a lost puppy". Feminist phallophobes changed it to "stalking" because they wanted to conjure images of a predator geting ready to kill it's prey. While the reality is that most "stalkers", (possibly all of them), are just trying to get some affection from the person they are following around, feminist phallophobes have changed the language to accomodate the irrational and intense fear they have of male sexuality, especially that of a man who is attracted to them. Unfortunately the legal system soon followed, not understanding that just because the person being followed is afraid doesn't mean the lovestruck fool following them around has evil intentions.
Yes, following someone around everywhere can be annoying and can get to the point of harassment, but in that case it was already illegal because it was harassment, not because of something inherently wrong with "following". Thus, no new law, especially a bad one based on feminist phobias, was needed.
Now of course, as this story relates, they are trying to expand the definition of "stalking" to include looking at, flirting with, whistling dixie while in earshot of, or eating lunch near a woman. Yes we all agree that these are absurd, but let's not forget the original things they called "stalking" were absurdly labelled too. It's no better to hang a man for looking at a woman for too many seconds than it is to hang him for following what he thinks is his dreamgirl around for a while. It's the same feminist MO, they're terrified of male sexuality and so they feel that any action which suggests that a man might have sexual interest in a woman be outlawed.
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by Anonymous User on 10:14 AM May 10th, 2005 EST (#2)
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A couple of interesting scenarios present themselves -
- With the majority of university students being female, it seems to me stalking laws could (and should) be applied by men to women.
- Maybe stalking and harassment laws could be applied to members of Wemoon's Centers on-campus. From what I read, they do seem to have a tendency to spend a lot of time looking at men and making assumptions about what men are doing. To get the detailed information they claim to have about men's behavior, they must follow male students around quite a lot.....
Tom P
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by Anonymous User on 01:10 PM May 10th, 2005 EST (#6)
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Useing the feminist "logic", then because I wear traditional Cherokee attire (Braids, copper, gold or turquoise jewelry, etc.) that means that every non-Indian that looks at me because of this is "stalking" me.
Give me a break. Stareing at me may be rude and I do find it a bit annoying but it's FAR from STALKING. I have been stalked before. (a very strange girl appearantly had a thing for Indians) If you are being stalked you KNOW when you are being stalked. When people stare at me they are STAREING at me. NOT STALKING! there is a VAST difference!
This is so typical of feminists, anymore. If the definition doesn't fit your agenda then TWIST it so it does.
Feminism has gone from the ridiculous to the sublime...!
What if a woman stares at a man? will that be considered "stalking", too? Of course not. The same old tired excuse the feminists always use will be implemented; "It's DIFFERENT."!
Yeah, yeah. It's ALWAYS "different".
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Hunchback on 12:39 PM May 10th, 2005 EST (#4)
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It's not so much that feminists are afraid of male sexuality as it is that they seek "empowerment" by criminalizing male sexuality. They don't fear the phallus, they loathe the phallus—and the bearer. Many, if not all, of their efforts are to give the average woman enormous power over the average man ... of course, while still claiming victimhood and powerlessness. Never for one moment believe that their concerns are genuine. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, they do is for reasons of power. NEVER, never ever ever forget that every action they take, no matter how they dress it, is in the name of gender jihad.
Though they use fear and indignation the way that most women use tears, their sole purpose is to figuratively (and literally, if possible) truss men up by the balls.
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by Uberganger on 07:33 AM May 12th, 2005 EST (#19)
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Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, they do is for reasons of power.
Something I've thought for a while is that all feminist ideas about power are inextricably bound up with ideas about abuse. Their idea of male power always equates it with abuse. They no longer seem able to tell the difference between power and abuse - assuming they ever could. Consequently whenever a feminist talks of 'empowering' women, what she/he/it really means is legitimising the abuse of men.
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by Anonymous User on 04:04 PM May 10th, 2005 EST (#8)
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The following quote is from a national web site on stalking and domestic violence:
" In general terms, stalking is repeated behavior that creates fear in a reasonable person.
For it to qualify as a criminal offense, there must be the threat by the stalker or apprehension by the victim of bodily harm to the victim or his/her family members. Stalking behavior includes repeated phone calls or emails, following or watching the victim in a way that seemed obsessive and leaves the person concerned for his/her safety."
Further research into individual state laws shows that "repeated behavior" is defined as "at least TWO incidents." (So apparently two events constitutes a "pattern of threatening behavior...)
Also note that the term "seemed" (obsessive) turns the whole legal issue into a subjective psychology charade.
Stalking laws are being increasingly used by divorced custodial parents (usually mothers) to intimidate and harass their ex's.
I read about one father who was convicted of stalking because he sent his kid e-mail messages that his ex-wife claimed exceeded his limited visitation as defined in the divorce agreement.
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by Anonymous User on 12:33 PM May 11th, 2005 EST (#16)
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I wonder if their "stalking prevention policies" will apply to lesbian stalkers? I doubt it, esp since the policies are being drafted by lesbians.
Hotspur
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by robrob on 12:37 PM May 10th, 2005 EST (#3)
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I'm no math expert, but have i read this correctly?
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by robrob on 12:43 PM May 10th, 2005 EST (#5)
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I'm no math expert, but have i read this correctly?
13% of 4446 is 578 women.
Then just over 10% of that amount claimed to that there was "forced or attempted sexual contact".
So around 58 women out of 4446 could have been raped? Or just over 1%?
And that's assuming all forced or attempted sexual assault was completed.
So, isn't this at odds with the 1 in 4 rape figure? I know the survey was not about rape, but wouldn't the 1 in 4 prevalence show through this survey?
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by Anonymous User on 01:12 PM May 10th, 2005 EST (#7)
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This whole thing is nothing more than further attempts by feminists to criminalize men into obscurity.
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by Anonymous User on 04:05 PM May 10th, 2005 EST (#9)
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It is also worth noting that on practically every higher education campus in the United States the rapes actually reported to law enforcement can be (more often than not) counted on one (1) hand.
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by Anonymous User on 08:19 PM May 10th, 2005 EST (#13)
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I seem to recall Christina Hoff Sommers writing that many a Campus had not a single rape throughout the year . . . so exactly where is all this happening ?
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by Anonymous User on 11:52 AM May 11th, 2005 EST (#14)
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That's just it. They have almost no reports of rape, yet they lie about it to further criminalize men with false allegations.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 04:11 PM May 10th, 2005 EST (#11)
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There is nothing wrong with your math. Your calculations are correct. Just remember that the article was probably written by a journalism major who couldn't pass a statistics class at gunpoint.
It is also worth noting that on almost all higher education campuses in the United States, rapes that are actually reported to law enforcement can be (with very few exceptions) counted on one (1) hand.
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by Anonymous User on 04:08 PM May 10th, 2005 EST (#10)
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"...if 'anyone -- from stranger to an ex-boyfriend -- repeatedly followed you, watched you, phoned, written, e-mailed, or communicated with you in other ways that seemed obsessive and made you afraid or concerned for your safety..."
What pure bull shit that these profs are pumping into these jello heads that are too damn stupid to know what is happening.
Now all I have to do is get in my full black leather Harley attire, complete with a flaming red hed wrap, and ride up to my normal parking place.
Then if I happen to take the same routine path to class every day I can become the object of false allegations.
Why? Because the dope head bimbo FEELS FEAR!!!!!!
Whaaaaa!!!!!
What a bunch of whiny fembots.
For this to happen, without a massive public outcry on the part of women against these brainwashing tactics, proves that women are infantile.
Warble
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by Roy on 07:24 PM May 10th, 2005 EST (#12)
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As Warble notes above, infantile attitudes and behaviors seem to be the required membership criteria for a card-carrying feminist today.
The rad fems appear to be stuck in a phase of development that in children we typically call "the Terrible Two's..."
As any parent can attest, it's a stage of ego inflation that happens in the 2-3 year age, when the child's primary pre-logical obsession is "I want what I want and I want it NOW! And, if I don't get it, I'll scream and rant and act out!"
Feminism has succeeded in persuading the majority of men to look at women as the intellectual & emotional equivalents of two year-olds .... only with lethal laws and a 911 gestapo squad number to add not a little bite to their tantrums.
There is very little difference between the feminists' concept of equality and a two-year old's infantile idea of freedom.
Both depend upon ego-inflation and pre-logical "magical thinking..."
"It's a terrible thing ... to be living in fear."
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by Anonymous User on 11:55 AM May 11th, 2005 EST (#15)
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Well said. The Marxist-Feminists have managed to get lethal laws passed, complete with a one-minute 911 response system, that allows infantile two-year old females to put mature, innocent, well behaved, males in jail.
Warble
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by bro on 05:07 AM May 12th, 2005 EST (#17)
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Did any of you notice that at the end of the artical they tried to put the male spin on it saying that there might be a few men who are stalked. But then they went on to say that it wouldn't be women who would be stalking men, but other men! They even suggest that it would have to be a homosexual relationship or some ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend. They cannot admit that women also stalk and are as obsessive if not more obsessive then men when it comes to stalking. Heck, I've been stalked more then once by a woman and did I run off to the police, hell no! I knew that she would leave soon enough and just waited.
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by HombreVIII on 10:25 AM May 12th, 2005 EST (#20)
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And this shortly after Catherine Zeta-Jones was famously stalked by a woman.
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by Anonymous User on 06:04 AM May 12th, 2005 EST (#18)
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One wonders if you can stretch the term "Groupie" into a stalker? Who are the majority of groupies? I think it is females, but I could be wrong.
None the less I knew of a girl who stalked this guy and mind you not only did she stalk, I know/listened to her tell a friend she did the following which goes way above the term stalking.
Mail Theft
Breaking and Entering
Burglary
Theft
Larceny
Vandalism
With the decline of males attending colleges, and a greater percentage of those being gay and lesbians, I am sure the dating dynamics are really scary for young females on campuses today. Good.
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CJ writes "Not finding actual issues of violence or assault to deal with, this university's Womyn's Center has worked with campus police to develop a