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by Anonymous User on 06:05 PM April 21st, 2005 EST (#1)
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Wow, great article, really. Check this out from it:
"This leads us to an important realization: The word “feminism” is an irreconcilable paradox. It is impossible to be equalitarian or balanced when viewing everything solely from the women’s perspective. There is no evidence that the core of feminism believes in equality.
The primary point: Feminism is evil. There is no longer any reason to cater to it, or its supporters, and no one should fear reprise for speaking out against those who identify it."
He ties in a lot of history and philosophical points very well, too. This one is a keeper - save it down to your hard drive!
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by Roy on 08:42 PM April 21st, 2005 EST (#2)
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Agreed. A well-written and researched piece that proves where radical feminism came from.... with its origins in racism.
The author's suggestion that the so-called equalitarian ("iFeminist" camp) should totally separate itself from feminism and form some type of true gender equality "pro-family and marriage" movement is very provoking.
He basically says that radical feminism would wither and die in the face of a more mainstream gender equality campaign that would receive the support of all those women and men who have been repulsed by Dworkin/MacKinnon/N.O.W.-style feminazi bile.
Wendy? Christina? Camille?
Are you listening?
"It's a terrible thing ... to be living in fear."
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by Anonymous User on 12:02 AM April 22nd, 2005 EST (#3)
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I read the article this morning, and thought the part about the history of feminism was superb. I want to save that article for circulation to women's studies groups.
...and I went online and purchased the book on the WKKK, and also the movie Rosewood. The radical/gender/militant/fundamental feminists aren't done hearing about their sordid bigotry (past and present) by a long shot.
The IWF and CWA (conservative women's groups) have dropped all mention of the word feminist. I think it does have a lot of baggage that automatically goes with the name, but I guess some women are trying to save the proverbial baby from being thrown out with the bath water. All I can say to them is "good luck." Equity feminism is Hoff-Sommers and I-feminism is McElroy, and in my experience they have shown respect for men's rights at the same level as women's rights.
I'm probably forgetting some groups who use the word feminist. It is confusing to figure it all out, but once you know the delineations it's pretty clear.
Oh yea, I also heard Daphne Patai refer to women's studies indoctrinators (teachers in name only) as Stalinist feminists on Glenn Sacks show.
Ray
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by Clancy
(long_ponytail@yahoo.com)
on 09:27 AM April 22nd, 2005 EST (#4)
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I looked at the iFeminists web site this morning. Someone, possibly a contributor from MANN, wasted no time in posting a link to this article and he included an excerpt. From the reactions I read, lukewarm to "it's way out there" was the sense I got. Not received well at all. Personally, I think bad things when I hear the word "feminism". Although not all "feminists" are haters of men, the word has been tainted in my view and I can't get past that. I rarely visit iFeminists and I only did so this morning to see if this article had been brought to their attention and if so, what were people saying about it. If memory serves, most of the condescending remarks were from their male contributors. *sigh*. Female contributors were equally quick to wave it off. I haven't looked recently, maybe there are better reviews now. Guess I'll go and see.
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by Anonymous User on 12:51 PM April 22nd, 2005 EST (#5)
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I can't count the number of times I have said pretty much the same thing.
As an Indian I see little difference beween the KKK as a minority person and the contemporairy feminist movement as a male.
I am not suprised to see how closely the two are linked.
Not suprised at all.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I pointed to an article about WKKK in this topic on March 4.
Bert
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From now on, men's rights first.
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by Clancy
(long_ponytail@yahoo.com)
on 05:19 PM April 22nd, 2005 EST (#11)
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you're way ahead of the curve. This is the first time I had read about the comparison between the WKKK and feminism. I tip my hat to you.
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Obviously some Dutchman did a good job learning about American history. Besides that, I studied feminazism long before men's movement came up. One of the main reasons that feminazis are still ruling is the lack of knowledge by men. I just try to do my best to change that. My website, for example, is one of the many ways.
Bert
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From now on, men's rights first.
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by Clancy
(long_ponytail@yahoo.com)
on 07:43 PM April 22nd, 2005 EST (#13)
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I wish I could read what is written on your web pages, but alas, English is my only language.
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by Uberganger on 07:39 AM April 25th, 2005 EST (#20)
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From the point of view of ethnic-minority men, feminism is simply a reworking of whatever oppression they've already experienced. So, you can't say a man is stupid because he's black, but you can say he's stupid because he's male. The black man's situation has changed how? Look at how black boys are doing in school and tell me what's changed. Equality? Not a chance!
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by Anonymous User on 02:43 PM April 22nd, 2005 EST (#6)
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http://feministing.com/archives/001213.html
how dare he! *snort*
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by Clancy
(long_ponytail@yahoo.com)
on 03:05 PM April 22nd, 2005 EST (#7)
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Holy CRAP! It goes to show how myopic my world has become. I didn't know such web sites existed. That site only substantiates the views held by nomarriage.com. Bitch has suddenly become too good a word.
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by Anonymous User on 03:35 PM April 22nd, 2005 EST (#8)
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Hee hee hee!
All I can say to those "ladies" is; the old saying is true, "The truth DOES hurt" don't it?
'ya ever notice that the truth is to feminists what holy-water is to Dracula?
You throw it on them and it hurts them and they screech and go nuts about it.
It's REALLY FUN to watch, too! :-)
I repeat; Hee hee hee!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 03:55 PM April 22nd, 2005 EST (#9)
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that's nothing.
spend some quality time at www.feministblogs.org
the more i read at feministblogs.org, the more i see nomarriage.com is right. ;)
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by Anonymous User on 07:07 PM April 23rd, 2005 EST (#15)
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"You can draw up a list between any two groups and find similarities. Doesn't mean they are remotely related."
It clearly looks like more than just a parallel, or a coincidence:
"Radical feminism's first organized incarnation was within the Women's Ku Klux Klan (WKKK) in the late 1800's.
Here is a very simple overview of the etiology behind 1880's era discrimination against blacks:
WKKK women basically went around talking about what black men night do to them, and white men preached of the sanctity of "white womanhood". The sexually hypercharged imagery, together with economic desires of slave-owners, made widespread violence and discrimination against blacks acceptable and even necessary in the public eye. Women got what they wanted by motivating men with horrid sexual imagery about blacks, and men took up their dirty duties protecting the sanctity of "white womanhood".
Early WKKK radical feminists also wrote about the drudgery of motherhood and other typical feminist topics we read about frequently today. A common overarching theme was women using their sexual power to get men to do whatever they wanted – a theme identical to the core ideology of the contemporary V-Day initiatieve pushed by N.O.W. in hopes of replacing Valentine's Day with a murky celebration of misandry.
In the late 1880's, a broadside was published in Evansville, Indiana proclaiming; "No longer will man say that in the hand of woman rests the necessity of rocking a cradle only. She has within her hand the power to rule the world." This, and many other early radical mottos would magically reappear in the 1960's and find popularity in "great society" feminist revolution.
The similarities in core language and ideology between the WKKK and the modern radical feminist movement over time are remarkable."
Another testimonial to the legacy of the Southern Democrats.
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by Konovan on 11:58 PM April 23rd, 2005 EST (#17)
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I suppose it may be uncouth of me to say that connection between WKKK and today's feminists is that they are both a bunch of bitches.
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by Anonymous User on 12:25 AM April 24th, 2005 EST (#18)
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"No, its not. In the slightest. Go take at that list I linked to, you'll find some amazing similarities between the Kennedy/Lincoln administrations/assasinations. Doesn't mean the two are remotely related"
#1 The Kennedy/Lincoln comparisons re clearly coincidences between events surrounding the lives of Kennedy and Lincoln, but that is clearly all - just coincidence, unless you want to make an arguement for the supernatural.
The strongest connection I see between the WKKK and the gender feminists of today is that both are hate movements employing many similar methodologies and practices. As far as more solid connections, spanning the years - I've ordered the book and will definitely be posting any more concrete connections I find, but in the mean time here is this reviewer's opinion, and she includes "feminists" in the KKK,
"Barbara Ehrenreich, Los Angeles Times
"Thanks to Kathleen M. Blee's superb scholarship in Women of the Klan I must now live with the fact that the Klan contained 'all the better people': businessmen, physicians, judges, social workers (even Quakers, political reformers and (this is the truly discomforting part) feminists. . . Women of the Klan stands before us as carefully garnered, irrefutable evidence that women are capable of asserting their gender rights in the most noisome settings."
In describing the author and her work the book description refutes the gender feminist lie about the inherent nobility of women, "'...she dismantles the popular notion that politically involved women are always inspired by pacifism, equality, and justice." "All the better people," a former Klanswoman assures us, were in the Klan. During the 1920s, perhaps half a million white native-born Protestant women joined the Women's Ku Klux Klan (WKKK).'"
Perhaps one could do a chart along the idea of the Kennedy/Lincoln comparison you cite, only showing the similarities between the WKKK and Women's Studies feminism. A good title for the chart would be
Coincidence or Conspiracy?
You could only present it on the sidewalk next to American college campuses, because their is no free speech allowed on college campuses except for feminist propaganda, etc. If you tried to present this on campus you'd likely be charged with creating a sexist and hostile envioronment for telling the truth. So much for the liberals who run our colleges practicing free speech.
#2 Most southern Democrats are still Democrats, but there are heroic exceptions like Zell Miller.
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by Anonymous User on 12:47 AM April 24th, 2005 EST (#19)
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"...show young men an ideal of manhood that respects women and rejects violence" George W. Bush - Republican 2005
Here is your big chance to send a stonger message concerning your statement above. I'm sending VAWA for all to both my Senators, my Congressperson, and to this address,
Director of the Legislative Affairs Office
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington, DC, 20502
or you could send this,
Stop VAWA
or compose your own message.
"...show all politicians an ideal of manhood that is adamantly oppossed to the hateful feminist lies destroying so many good men's lives for the sake of bogus feminist ideology."
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by Uberganger on 07:56 AM April 25th, 2005 EST (#21)
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"...show young men an ideal of manhood that respects women and rejects violence" George W. Bush - Republican 2005
Jesus! Apart from the fact that you're quoting George Bush, who's probably one of the last people on Earth I'd want to take any advice from, why the hell do people carp on about men 'respecting' women? Usually it's a euphemism for acting like a doormat, because she's so wonderful and perfect in every way, and he's just a shitty man. Why don't we show young men an ideal of manhood that respects itself, then, if women ever decide to get their heads out of their own navels, they can try to ascend to the same height. As for rejecting violence, I've never hit anyone in my life (38 years), and I resent being talked to as if I spend all my time killing people. It just shows what a long journey there is ahead when people come out with this rubbish. What mutton-headed idiots - and young men are supposed to aspire to this shit? Jesus, when does the mothership leave?
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by AngryMan
(end_misandryNOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk)
on 08:08 AM April 28th, 2005 EST (#23)
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I missed this thread earlier, so I'd like to post a response now.
I think scudsucker's right that it's good to maintain a healthy level of scepticism and avoid paranoid conspiracy theories. However, I have to disagree with him in this case.
Guilt by association can't be wrong all the time, and in fact scudsucker uses it himself - he is saying 'Your WKKK theory looks similar to this Lincoln/Kennedy theory'. That's the same thing that he accuses others of ('feminism looks similar to the KKK'), so it seems like a self-contradictory argument. Guilt by association is neither always right nor always wrong, I think each case needs to be assessed on its own merits.
The thing I have noticed about feminism in all the years I have thought about it, is that it is completely opportunistic. It will make use of whatever happens to be around at the time. You only have to take a look at the history of feminism to see that.
In the late 1800s, feminists were racist and Christian, during WWI they were pro-war, handing out white feathers to men not in uniform. In the 1920s they were in the KKK (Blee 'Women of the Klan'), in the 1930s they were involved with fascism. They seemed to keep very quiet after WWII, but then in the 1960s it was black civil rights (anti-racism), in the 1970s Marxism, in the 1980s anti-nuclear pacifism (anti-war) and New Age mysticism (anti-Christian), in the 1990s, they were champions of consumer capitalism (anti-Marxist). Time and time again, feminists have jumped on whatever bandwagon happened to be passing. It is just like hemlines. Maoism will probably be back next season. Whatever is fashionable.
Daphne Patai commented on this in her interview with Glenn Sacks. In feminism 'concepts are deployed opportunistically'. One minute women are powerful saviours of the world, the next they are helpless victims. The way that they use political movements or political theories is exactly the same. Feminism is not about justice or about telling the truth, it is about acquiring power for oneself.
I think it is best understood as a kind of women's Nationalist movement, similar to the National Front parties in Europe, or the British BNP. It is really a kind of Women's Front or Women's National Party. The only strand that is consistent throughout its history is this policy of 'damen uber alles'.
"Never tolerate psychotic behaviour no matter how good she is in bed." Thomas Ellis
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