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by Anonymous User on 04:20 PM March 30th, 2005 EST (#1)
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This man deserves a medal. UNH is a hate trap for men... hopefully this awakens a few people to the real issues men face today.
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by LibertyUNH on 04:26 PM March 30th, 2005 EST (#3)
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by LibertyUNH on 04:24 PM March 30th, 2005 EST (#2)
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Soon I will try to publish another article on ifeminists.com.
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by Dave K on 09:20 AM March 31st, 2005 EST (#12)
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Congratulations, a well thought out article providing some useful advice to men at your school.
Surely there will be a backlash of rabid hate (by students and possibly faculty), but keep in mind that if even a handful of men read this article and really think about it you've got a smashing success.
GREAT job!
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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by Anonymous User on 10:28 PM March 31st, 2005 EST (#19)
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I used to get kind of depressed when misandrist things happened. Now I write about them. I document as much of the hatred that is directed at males as I can handle, then write about it.
Gender feminist malfeasance should not be ignored or tolerated. Great work UNH Liberty. You are definitely on the "write" (right) track.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 07:44 PM March 30th, 2005 EST (#4)
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As an academic myself, I have observed that there are two things that quickly bring an administration to its knees. The first is difficulties with the Alumni Association because they rely upon it for major parts of their financial and political support. The second is difficulties with the Legislature and Governor, because of the admininstration's dependence upon their finacial support. (A third is sexual harrasment lawsuits, if we could get a UNH student to file one based upon this incident). If Mensactivism members would write/e-mail or call these parties, and encourage current and past UNH students to do the same, we could create unbearable pressure upon the UNH administration. If anyone knows Glenn Sacks reasonably well, he could probabaly help enormously in this effort. As for me, I have already sent letters to the Governor (no response yet), to the Alumni Asscociation (they agreed with my anger!) and to the NH Commission on the Status of Men (they were VERY receptive to outrage of this). Please keep up and/or add to the pressure. It is simply absurd that women get a free ride to joke about or threaten sexual mutilation of men, while men pay an enormous price for much lesser offenses. We should demand civility from all.
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by Anonymous User on 08:52 PM March 30th, 2005 EST (#6)
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I'll have my letter sent in the next few days. This is ridiculous. If this isn't an example of simply going to far, then what the hell is? When they actually have men strapped to the castration table? Will MRA's make some noise then?
Please, please, take five minutes to send a letter out.
-hobbes
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by Anonymous User on 11:51 PM March 30th, 2005 EST (#9)
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by Anonymous User on 10:33 PM March 31st, 2005 EST (#20)
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If UNH has a big sign at the main entrance to the campus, even one picket standing there with a big sign that says UNH IS SEXIST AND HATEFUL AGAINST MEN would be seen by the public. If you are standing on the sidewalk in front on UNH, you are not on UNH property. You are on a public sidewalk.
One thing places like this do not like is that kind of public recognition.
Take a video camera with you for your own protection, and if anybody starts hassling you, tape them.
R.
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by Anonymous User on 07:59 PM March 30th, 2005 EST (#5)
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By the way, muy letter to the NH Commission on the Status of Men appeared to be the first letter to them about this incident!!!! They have writtena formal letter of protest to the UNH administration. We simply have to be more active (this is an ACTIVIST website) if we are to be effective.
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by Anonymous User on 09:14 AM March 31st, 2005 EST (#11)
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"We simply have to be more active..."
Would UNH be a suitable target for a Glen Sacks campaign? These Glen Sacks campaigns seem to be the only effective Mens Rights activities. Uncoordinated emails, phone calls , snail mails dont seem to be very effective. A Glen Sacks offensive would need to focus on some definite, particularly offensive, aspect of UNH policy.
Hotspur
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by Tumescent on 11:02 PM March 30th, 2005 EST (#7)
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After reading the story and reading the follow ups like this one,
http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/ 20050330/NEWS0802/50330070
I know one thing--I will NOT be sending my two high school children (a boy and a girl) to the University of New Hampshire. This place is an absolute embarrassment to itself. One would think that the administration would have better things to do than deal with these issues that they have encouraged and supported. Everyone there seems to be out of touch with reality. It might do all the students, faculty, and admin staff to get off campus for a while and see how the real world works. This place is an embarrassment to the university system.
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by Tumescent on 11:06 PM March 30th, 2005 EST (#8)
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It looks like my link doesn't work-- sorry, but if interested go to the Durham/UNH link on the left side of the page to access the article entitled UNH Sex Article Under Scrutiny.
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by Kyo on 12:54 AM March 31st, 2005 EST (#10)
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Tumescent, your link works fine; you just have to remove the space.
And kudos to Mike for his excellent letter to the editor. We need more people like this!
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by frank h on 01:17 PM March 31st, 2005 EST (#13)
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Has anyone, anywhere, compiled a graded list of schools based on how they treat male students?
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by crescentluna
(evil_maiden @ yahoo.com)
on 08:13 PM April 3rd, 2005 EST (#31)
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The community college I was just at [Broome Community College in Binghamton, NY, part of SUNY] /just/ last year got a women's studies class, and even then it was an optional course. They added it with "Warfare in the 20th Century." My soc teacher didn't have a fit over my domestic violence against men paper, really wasn't too bad.
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by Anonymous User on 01:43 PM March 31st, 2005 EST (#14)
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It was a good article but I wish he had included the fact that men are SOARLY de-valued as human beings in the Western world. They are even taught to de-value themselves.
As a "Native-American" I can tell you EXACTLY what happens to a people when they are de-valued.
Suicide amoungst that group goes through the roof, violence against their own becomes rampant, Drug and alcohol abuse goes way up and the lack of self-esteem breeds criminality.
When a peoples consernes and issues go un-heeded disaster always follows.
I have seen it with my people on every reservation, town and city in the country. I see it happening with men in general across the Western world. It is slow to begin but always picks up momentum. It is doing that now.
We are a CIVILIZATION. and in a civilization ALL PEOPLE'S conserns are to be heared and valued. Not just a "protected few". We live in a DEMOCRACY. and in a democracy EVERYONE HAS THE SAME RIGHTS! Not just a pampered few given special rights and privliges over others.
There are those who would argue that men once had that right over women. And there may be some validity to that arguement. But not ALL men had rights over ALL women. Black men did not. Nor did Asians, Hispanics and other men of color. My people certainly didn't. We were, in fact, one of the last people in this country given the right to vote. I forget when exactly it was, in the 30's I believe, But women were given the right to vote LONG before any Indian was.
We Indians are a perfect example of what happens to a people when they are robbed of their humanity. The parallels between us and men as a whole are endless. That is because what was (and in many cases still is) done to Indians is the same thing being done to men as a whole in the Western world. Like Indians, men, in general, are being denied their constitutional and civil rights, to benifit the few instead of the whole.
That is NOT democracy.
Like Indians, men as a whole are depicted in the media as violent, savage, less inteligent, foolish and sub-human. And like Indians violence against men is considered a good thing. I could go on and on, but I won't. All I can say is that there is no democracy unless all people are treated DEMOCRATICALY and no civilization where all people are not treated CIVILY.
This is the state of "our" country, now. It is a "democracy" and a "civilization" in name ONLY untill these wrongs are righted. Untill ALL people's rights are RECOGNIZED as EQUAL and of EQUAL VALUE!
Sorry that's just how I feel.
Anyway, It was a good article. It just didn't go as far as I would, I guess.
Still good, though.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 06:14 PM March 31st, 2005 EST (#15)
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"I forget when exactly it was, in the 30's I believe, But women were given the right to vote LONG before any Indian was."
Yea. What a mistake that was; giving women the right to vote.....
It has been nothing but a disaster.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 06:39 PM March 31st, 2005 EST (#16)
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"What a mistake that was; giving women the right to vote..... "
True. Which European country stayed out of war in the last century? Which country didn't give women the vote until 1971? The answer to both questions is Switzerland.
Hotspur
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by LSBeene on 07:42 PM March 31st, 2005 EST (#17)
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While I hate the way most/many American women have been led to belive as to the value of men is not ... well, not of much value.
But, that's due to feminist influence and conditioning, not bad wiring.
I came to be an MRA because (as many know) of a false rape charge and the bias in the system against men infuriated me and made me want to stop the sexism.
I therefore humbly submit, that we should not become the same as those we wish to oppose.
Steven
Guerrilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Philalethes on 04:42 AM April 1st, 2005 EST (#23)
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Women SHOULD have the right to vote.
When I was younger, before the "hormone-induced fog" (thanks, Warren Farrell) began to clear and I started to actually see the situation with some clarity, I would have said the same. Now I'm older, not so desperately in need of female approval, I can simply say what I see without having to be furious, which also clouds the vision.
Another common prediction by opponents of female suffrage was that it would destroy the family. Well? Isn't that exactly what has happened? When women can look to the government for their needs -- a government funded by involuntary contributions from working men -- why should they bother to do the work of maintaining relationships with men? Why should they have any respect for men, if they can use and discard them at whim? As Warren Farrell made clear in The Myth of Male Power, the State is now every woman's "husband." Women are generally the majority in most human populations, so when women vote, they'll get what they want. (It'll be very interesting to see what happens in China in a few decades, with something like 20% more men than women. Sexual power far outweighs political power in any case.)
"The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money." (Alexis de Tocqueville) What about when politicians can bribe the "voters" with other people's money? Then you have socialism, which ultimately self-destructs, like any "system" that separates freedom (or power) from responsibility.
Is it only coincidence that the century that saw the transfer of political power to women also saw the exponential growth of socialism all over the planet? Remember: while the prime value of the male is freedom, the prime value of the female is security. Women may say they want to be "free," but what they really want is to be able to indulge their whims and fancies without being held responsible for the consequences. It's not an accident that the #2 issue of feminism (right after voting) is abortion.
I suppose I'm not really an "MRA" ... I'm not proposing that the "right to vote" be taken from women. I understand that women rule the world, and it's what they seem to want. I'm merely commenting on what I see. I agree with the poster below: there's really no way to "fight" it; we can only walk away. Let them change their own damned oil.
In a healthy political order, voting is not a "right"; it's a privilege. For thousands of years, human cultures that lasted understood, if only unconsciously, that formal political decision-making power should be in the hands of those society members who understand that freedom requires responsibility -- i.e. those with whom the buck stops. Children do not understand the connection of responsibility with freedom, which is why adults are responsible for children, and children traditionally have not been given political power. I hear that in Europe, it is now seriously being proposed that children should be given the vote. Not surprising, once power has been separated from responsibility. Politicians, of course, love the idea: more fools to rule.
Traditionally, men have been responsible for supporting their families, i.e. the women and children dependent on them, which is why men have had the power that rests on that responsibility. Now that women can use the power of the State, men are still assumed to bear that responsibility -- have you been watching the "family court" travesty? -- but no longer have any authority -- or freedom. A "wallet" is not a man. Similarly, in the area of sexual encounter, men still bear all the responsibility, but women have all the freedom -- thus the "bias in the system against men" that "infuriated" you. Think about it.
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by Anonymous User on 11:28 AM April 1st, 2005 EST (#25)
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"Women are generally the majority in most human populations, so when women vote, they'll get what they want."
I think the more important point is that women will vote on gender issues whereas men wont. Hence we get governments ruthlessly implementing feminist policies. Men will passionately battle other men on racial/ religious/social/economic issues but will not battle with women on gender issues. Men are like passengers on the Titanic who continued arguing about the menu after the ship hit the iceberg.
Hotspur
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by Philalethes on 04:45 AM April 1st, 2005 EST (#24)
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P.S.: BTW, it's "guerrilla" with two r's -- from the Spanish "guerra" = war.
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by Philalethes on 07:54 PM March 31st, 2005 EST (#18)
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Switzerland is now ruled by a woman (the president or whatever is the single-person office at the head of its government), and a few years ago discarded their ancient governmental system for a new, politically-correct constitution which, like that of Canada, pretends to "give" rights while actually vastly expanding government powers. Switzerland, R.I.P.
In 1995 I saw a PBS special celebrating the 75th anniversary of the 19th Amendment (1920), and was amused to hear that opponents of female suffrage predicted that it would result in alcohol prohibition (the "temperance" movement -- like the push for infant male circumcision -- was closely allied to the female suffrage movement, all promoted by 19th century Miss Wormwoods determined to make the world a better place by controlling male behavior). Somehow it seemed to escape the writers of the show that indeed that was exactly what happened. Duh. The 18th Amendment actually preceeded the 19th in ratification, but was a product of the same growing influence of women in political life. And Prohibition typified the female obsession with appearances over reality, and the use of force-by-proxy to make the world "better," which actually makes the situation worse.
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by Anonymous User on 01:11 PM April 1st, 2005 EST (#26)
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by Anonymous User on 02:52 PM April 1st, 2005 EST (#30)
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Now, Now.
We don't want to paint broad-brush.
There are PEOPLE who ruin things, but to say "WOMEN (only) ruin things" isn't fair. There are alot of wussie-poopie men who go along with the feminists. They are just as guilty of "ruining things" as any female feminist. In some ways I have more contempt for the male feminists, because they are sell-outs, and give "legitimacy" to the modern feminist movement.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 10:39 PM March 31st, 2005 EST (#21)
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"Which European country stayed out of war in the last century? Which country didn't give women the vote until 1971? The answer to both questions is Switzerland."
...and here I always thought the reason they never went to war was because they only had those little folding pocketknives to issue to the Swiss Army.
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by Anonymous User on 01:12 PM April 1st, 2005 EST (#27)
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LOL!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Yanyan on 03:21 AM April 1st, 2005 EST (#22)
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What makes an activist act?
Reading the comments about the University of New Hamphire set me thinking. Surely this is not the first incident of male-bashing ever to come up there? Or maybe, this time, it’s so brazen that at last one brave young man has decided to act. Meanwhile, I read that the shenanigans at Harvard have prompted a national debate. Really? What’s to debate? A respected academic has been vilified for giving his sincerely held scientific opinion at a conference for other academics. How bad to things have to get before we really start to take action?
The worldwide Wimmin Industry has grown unopposed for the last fifty years, often nurtured and promoted by well-meaning but misguided men. I grew up in the UK watching American sit-coms. Back then the antics of pampered and privileged American women were amusing but not threatening. It couldn’t happen here, I thought. The humour has certainly turned sour. We certainly can’t hold our brothers in the U.S. solely responsible since they suffer with the rest of us from WWI’s obsession with itself. What I would say is that such an obviously flawed view of society could never have grown so big, so powerful and so fast without considerable political clout. The movement grew with big government and big money. The UK must be equally culpable somewhere along the line since the WWI has major headquarters in Canada, Australia, and poor old New Zealand. Should we blame our Anglo-Saxon heritage? Why did we let it get so out of hand?
How bad do things have to get before an activist will act? I don’t mean posting comments on web sites like I’m doing now. ‘Raising awareness’ as the old radfems used to say is all very well but action speaks louder than words. Look at the impact caused by Fathers for Justice. Even their spectacular actions will take a long time to nudge the great political juggernaut in a direction slightly more favourable to men.
There has always been major option (of the non-violent kind that is) open to all men in all cultures when faced with an intolerable situation. They simply walk away. Perhaps the marriage strike that’s currently gathering momentum in the west is a symptom of this. While politicians fight their rearguard action by throwing more and more rights at women who live with men, or even those who might have sex with them occasionally, the plummeting birthrate is something they can’t easily fix. Take the example of Italy, where relations with a large extended family have been central to the culture for centuries. By the next generation it will be gone. All those uncles, aunts, cousins and in-laws won’t exist. Before long we’ll have the male pill and cheap reversible vasectomies. Market economics is a matter of supply and demand. Cut off the supply and the price rockets. Never mind what the old feminists say, they’re already post menopausal and more concerned with controlling the younger troops who could soon be deserting in large numbers.
Men can also ‘walk away’ through a variety of forms of passive resistance. It tends to be forgotten among all the feminist rhetoric that modern technological civilizations are created, nurtured and sustained by men – usually working their balls off to sustain the needs of women. Men have it in their power to cripple the WWI at a stroke. Just say no.
Does she need her car fixed? Tell her to find a female car mechanic. The pipes are leaking? Get a female plumber. The streets are not safe? So stay at home. My country’s being invaded? No worries mate, plenty of female troops on the front line. Architects, Butchers and Cops, Diplomats, Engineers and Firemen (need I go on?) – are all in the domain of men. The whole sorry nonsense of feminism could be ended tomorrow if men really wanted it. How many of them do?
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by Anonymous User on 01:14 PM April 1st, 2005 EST (#28)
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"how many of them do?"
Saddly, not ENOUGH.
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by Anonymous User on 01:26 PM April 1st, 2005 EST (#29)
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"Does she need her car fixed? Tell her to find a female car mechanic. The pipes are leaking? Get a female plumber. The streets are not safe? So stay at home. My country’s being invaded? No worries mate, plenty of female troops on the front line."
In a nutshell, I think you're saying men should simply dump their gender burdens as women have done. And you are right.
Hotspur
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by Yanyan on 03:11 AM April 5th, 2005 EST (#32)
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I'm saying more than that. Men have immense political power which they don't use. Concerted, co-operative direct action by men could check all the abuses in days - or else bring society to its knees.
What I'm asking is - how bad do things have to get before the majority of men realise they are not actually powerless in this situation.
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by Anonymous User on 03:10 PM April 5th, 2005 EST (#33)
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"Should we blame our Anglo-Saxon heritage? "
Yes puritanism, a christian anglosaxon movment that considers men evil and women angels incapable of any harm, so there you have, all laws designed to punish male sexual behaviour, that do not exist in other christian countries, sexual represion and obsession that has not parangon, ridiculous laws like, reckless sex, rape laws, sexual harrassment, anti porn, anti prostitution, etc, etc.
This same hatred towars men poison every other aspect of social life, from custody, marital assets, taxes, sentencing, you name it, no other contry has percentage wise so much people in jail as the USA, think about the ruthless dictatorship and it has less, in no country in Europe execpt UK women retire five years sooner than men, and there are widows benefits but not widowers.
For me is obvious puritanism and feminism is the same, by the way who were the first feminists?, good samaritans women from the parasitical high class, the social parasites that created the lobby to preserve their rights to keep on beeing the social scum they were, and they are.
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