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by Luek on 05:04 PM February 11th, 2005 EST (#1)
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When the baby boy went to state custody, thank god, post natal medical care of course was administered. I wonder if a circumcision was included in that post natal medical care?
There seems to be a mania in this country to give newborn baby boys a "clip job" as soon after birth as feasible. Why I do not know.
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by ArtflDgr on 09:27 AM February 14th, 2005 EST (#5)
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The reason the "Clip Job" is done so early is simple... anesthesia in young children is dangerous.. therfore they do it at birth WITHOUT anesthesia... how nice...
when my son was born i kind of made it put off... and after that it would require a lot more effort and expense, and so it was never done... (if he so wishes it can be done in adult life - granted not withouth pain and such, but at least its his decision)
granted though that given the proclivity of the result, more women are accostomed to a circumsized penis (and prefer it aestetically - this may also influence how many are actually done).
if you wait, you will then have to pay for doctor, anestesiologist, operating room.. etc...
if you dont wait.. its pretty much free....
its different if you are jewish.. then there is a religious component to it..
things like this usualy have a reason that we outgrow... in the desert where water is scarce and sweat is not.. it may have been a good thing... though today it isnt all that practical...
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by Anonymous User on 09:20 PM February 11th, 2005 EST (#2)
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I wonder if we should add a woman's right to lie to their list of options to use in those "difficult situations"?
Isn't funny that society comes up with Safe Haven Abandonment as a solution to help women reduce their perceived need to murder their baby? Meanwhile, debtors prison seems to be what's offered most to men.
I heard on TV news that the woman refused to name the Father and that the State of Florida wouldn't give the baby up for adoption without trying to find the Dad or other relatives first.
She's 38 years old. This woman doesn't appear to be a naive teenager who doesn't know how to prevent pregnancy. As far as abandoning her baby, I guess that woman hadn't seen the T-shirt below. Women are able to abondon their babies up to 72 hours after birth in 40 or 44 states (can't remember which it is).
Women's Choices - Men's Choices
Sincerely, Ray
Please do not scroll up the page of linked item(s). All the info I'm trying to convey is as the page initially comes up.
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by Anonymous User on 01:06 PM February 12th, 2005 EST (#3)
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I can't believe that this sort of thing still happens, considering that it is LAWFUL for a girl or woman to leave an un-wanted child at a hospital, no questions asked! I think it is even legal for them to leave a baby at a church.
Guess it's just too much trouble for these gals.
It's just easier to toss 'em out a window or drown them in a toilet in some God-forsaken bathroom at a gas station.
Lousy baby! How dare he/she enfringe on a woman's good time! (sarcasm)
This is what happens when certain people are given the right to do what ever they please, and when human life is cheapened, as it has been.
God help us.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 07:38 PM February 12th, 2005 EST (#4)
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One can leave a child anywhere, really - even at your doorstep, TC, if one wanted to.
This has been "legal" since Moses floated down the Nile and perhaps even before that. Literature is replete with examples - read "Silas Marner" or rent the DVD of "The Leaving of Liverpool".
Foundling Hostels (watch your spelling here - it's "foundling", not "fondling"! You Americans have a habit of leaving out "u"s - so be careful here.) were common in earlier ages and were still common during most of last century, often functioning as "Orphanages", although a great many children were actually "left" there, and not always as babes in arms, either. It is still a common occurrence for children to be left - abandoned - in all sorts of places and although some token search is often made for the mother, the child is usually "farmed out" as the Victorians would have said but known to us in these more enlightened times as being "placed in fostercare". Same difference. Cash for care - Money changes hands. If by any chance the mother is found, she gets counselling and the child rarely goes back to "caring parent" - although it does happen at times. Mother's rights and all that. "Judging Amy" devotes much of its time to cases like these. A good chick-flick show, really, that one (and, of course, anything with Tyne Daly in it is worth watching anyway!). All the same, mistakes are made.
The object was and is to save the child from being tossed out of the window or flushed down the toilet - or being dismembered in utero and then sold-on for spare parts, "in the interest of science", of course.
That's why the mother "gets away with it". If she were punished, it would be easier for her to toss it or flush it or to have it dismembered in utero with no questions asked - which is what this practice is supposed to prevent.
(When mummy is caught tossing or flushing - well, that's frowned upon - slap, slap, you naughty girl! We'll teach you, you shamelessly postpartem hussy! Off to therapy and then apply for your social security pension!)
No-fault abandonment is a laudable aim - which actually worked in this instance, although she was a little confused, the poor darling. But what else would you expect?
Women!
Evil at worst and mad at best!
Why do we bother with them!
Neale
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by Anonymous User on 01:55 PM February 14th, 2005 EST (#6)
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>"Why do we bother with them?"
Well, as a general rule I DON'T bother with them, myself.
Other than work and visiting my parents, I'm something of a hermit.
There really ARE good women out there. At least that's what I tell myself. It's just that you can't tell the good from the bad, these days, so, like I said, I don't bother with them at all.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by The_Beedle on 03:28 PM February 14th, 2005 EST (#7)
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The article doesn't mention if anyone asked the father if he wants the child. Was the man in the car the father? Did they ask him?
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To hide her pregnancy and abandon her baby, a woman