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by Kyo on 12:55 PM February 10th, 2005 EST (#2)
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So the young men of today, who haven't even yet had the opportunity to anything wrong, should just shut up and pay for the sins, real and imagined, of their fathers?
Yeah, I know, don't feed the trolls.
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by The_Beedle on 02:26 PM February 10th, 2005 EST (#3)
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Everything about Gitmo is wrong, why should this aspect be any better?
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First, we don't know that anyone at the prison at Guantanamo Bay is a terrorist. We know that the government has told us that they are "suspected" terrorists or "enemy combatants," but that's about all we know.
We have men who are being held for years without being charged with any crime and without any trial. What the hell is that about?
Is this not still the United States of America? The "Land of the free and the home of the brave"?
We have a president who is responsible for the deaths of who knows how many people? We've got a Congress that, far from providing much check and balance to the executive branch, is pretty much sitting on its hand. Herr Bush lied to us about WMDs. We imposed sanctions on Iraq for how many years, causing how much death, illness, and misery? There's no way that so much intelligence from so many sources could have been so terribly wrong for so many years. I don't believe it.
Now Herr Bush is lying to us about Social Security and he's looking for a fight with Iran in the worst possible way. Maybe North Korea will be next? But no one will dare point a finger at Israel with all their "strategic ambiguity" crap.
And Bush wants young black men to learn respect for women? Why doesn't he start learning some respect for people other than his fellow blueblood, privileged neocon thugs? Let women start respecting men. I'm tired about all this crap about men having to change. Let women change.
Feminism is female supremacism. That's all. And I, for one, won't tolerate it.
--I rejoice at the destruction of gender feminism, and I laugh at its shattered ruins.
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by shawn on 09:38 PM February 10th, 2005 EST (#7)
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Herr Bush lied to us about WMDs.
"We know we can't count on the French. We know we can't count on the Russians, [...] We know that Iraq is a danger to the United States, and we reserve the right to take pre-emptive action whenever we feel it's in our national interest."
Bush? No. John Kerry, "Crossfire," 1997. There are hundreds of quotes like this from liberals about the perceived danger from Iraq. I want to know why John Kerry lied to us, and what Nancy Pelosi is going to do about it.
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by AngryMan
(end_misandryNOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk)
on 05:52 AM February 11th, 2005 EST (#9)
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Steve is claiming that the Bush junta lied about WMDs and Iraq. You are saying Kerry lied as well. This is irrelevant. Bush is the President. Kerry is not. Did the Bush junta lie or not? Yes it did. Period. Before you tell me to mind my own business, if the USA goes around invading other countries, then it IS the world's business. It is especially the UK's business because you drag us in with you.
Steve's arguments are correct. Everything about Guantanamo is a scandal. Holding people indefinitely without charge. Using torture. This is not the America we know.
In Afghanistan, the US offered a bounty on the heads of Al Qaeda members. Policy Blowback #147: The Northern Alliance drove around abducting people - men of other ethnic groups - off the streets and selling them to the Yanks for money. Duh!
That's who you are holding. The junta even admits that most of these people know nothing.
Modern History for dummies
Lesson 1:
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11
Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11
Iraq had no WMDs.
Both countries have a lot of oil.
The Bush junta are all oil executives.
HELLO PEOPLE!
Feminism will continue as long as there is money to be made from hating men.
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by Anonymous User on 01:19 PM February 11th, 2005 EST (#14)
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Gitmo Detainees Return To Terror, Here
"Some 146 (emphasis mine) detainees have been released from Guantanamo..."
"U.S. military officials say that despite being freed in exchange for signing pledges to renounce violence, at least seven former prisoners of the United States at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have returned to terrorism, at times with deadly consequences.(emphasis mine)
At least two are believed to have died in fighting in Afghanistan, and a third was recaptured during a raid of a suspected training camp in Afghanistan, said Lt. Cmdr. Flex Plexico, a Pentagon spokesman. Others are at large.
Additional former detainees are said to have expressed a desire to rejoin the fight, be it against U.N. peacekeepers in Afghanistan, Americans in Iraq or Russian soldiers in Chechnya."
"The small number returning to the fight demonstrates the delicate balance the United States must strike between minimizing the appearance of holding people unjustly and keeping those who are legitimate long-term threats, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said." (emphasis mine)
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by Anonymous User on 01:36 PM February 11th, 2005 EST (#16)
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"There's no way that so much intelligence from so many sources could have been so terribly wrong for so many years. I don't believe it."
Believe it. Even Sadaam lied to us about WMD in his own unique crazy sort of way. He just didn't want us to think he was weak and didn't have them.
What about the WMD program in Libya that was supposedly being worked on by Iraqi scientists, and do we know Sadaam didn't transport his WMD's out to Syria and Iran? Remember all those jets that flew to Iran in the 1st Gulf War?
...and what about all these news stories - here reflecting a whole segment of the truth that you conveniently leave out?
I thought this site was supposed to be about men's activism, and not partisan politics. There sure is a lot of digression into vulgar Bush bashing "Herr Bush" by liberal types. Personally I'm offended by the inanely unbalanced content of your rant.
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I thought this site was supposed to be about men's activism, and not partisan politics. There sure is a lot of digression into vulgar Bush bashing "Herr Bush" by liberal types. Personally I'm offended by the inanely unbalanced content of your rant.
It's not my purpose to offend you or anyone else. However, I don't consider my rant to have "inanely unbalanced content." You may disagree with what I have said and I certainly respect that. Hell, I encourage your expression of disagreement because that expression can help us to reach the truth.
Furthermore, even if my rant were "inanely unbalanced," I feel strongly that my remarks are appropriate and valuable. They need not be "balanced" because I posted commentary reflecting my views. I was not posting here as a journalist where balance and NPOV (neutral point of view) would have been important to what I said.
Also, before you dismiss me as one of those "vulgar Bush bashing...liberal types," you ought to know that I voted for President Bush in 2000 and felt strongly that former Vice President Al Gore should have conceded the race much earlier, instead of dragging the nation through about 6 weeks of divisive bittering. (I do, however, very strongly condemn the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Bush v. Gore as rank politics, rather than law.)
Finally, I have not conveniently left out anything. You give us a link to a collection of Web pages that you claim reflect "a whole segment of the truth that [I] conveniently leave out." What is the whole segment of truth?
The pages to which that site links contain all kinds of information from all kinds of sources, of varying credibility. Some of those sources are opinion pieces and commentaries. Those are interesting, but not the kind of hard data that you seem to be suggesting they are.
Some of the links are broken. Some of the pages are at news sites with a decidedly conservative, pro-Bush slant. Some of those pages contain information that seems at best only tangentially related to Iraq and/or Al-Qaeda. Some of those pages don't seem to relate to Iraq or Al-Qaeda at all; they talk about terrorism generally, or in different parts of the world with no mention of Iraq or Al-Qaeda. Some of the links took me to pages that were different than the titles for thos links! How the hell can I respond to this stuff?
Look, this site is about men's activism rather than partisan politics. While I won't apologize for my views, I will apologize to the extent that I have misused this forum as a political soapbox. I used to be an assistant admin at this site, so I know better.
Anyway, that's enough of this, at least for me. My e-mail is posted. You said you were personally offended by my comments. I don't intend to offend anyone. If you want to talk to me by individual e-mail, contact me. But you're entirely right that this site is about men's activism. I'll work to remember that.
I want to get beyond political ideologies and down to the real issues facing men. If you get to know me, you will like me, and I, you.
Peace.
Steve
--I rejoice at the destruction of gender feminism, and I laugh at its shattered ruins.
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by B_Riddick on 03:12 PM February 10th, 2005 EST (#4)
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Correction: my day never was. As long as I can remember, it's been "your day". I want my goddamn day.
And no, I for one don't like being dominated by women. I prefer equality, unlike you apparently.
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by Anonymous User on 03:33 PM February 10th, 2005 EST (#5)
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Same here.
I don't want to be dominated by women, and I don't think women should be dominated by men.
The more you Trollettes talk the more you show your true colors. All you do is preach equality on one side of your mouth and then claim "dominance" on the other.
How can you dominate a people and still be EQUAL with them, my dear? Try explaining THAT if you can.
(But of course you can't because doing so would be to admit to the hypocricy that you and most feminists spew about "equality".)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by riddickLA on 01:30 PM February 11th, 2005 EST (#15)
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I'm kind of curious who B_Riddick is? Looks like we have something in common. My name is Bert Riddick, I'm a paternity Reform advocate from California. Pretty ironic that we'd have the same last name AND first initial.
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by AngryMan
(end_misandryNOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk)
on 05:55 AM February 11th, 2005 EST (#10)
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Wots a maochist? Iz dat sum1 who likz Chairman Mao?
Feminism will continue as long as there is money to be made from hating men.
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by Anonymous User on 10:06 AM February 11th, 2005 EST (#11)
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...but you all LIKE being dominated by women."
All indications from gender feminist run boards I've seen indicate that women love to dominate men, by suppressing, and deleting male comments. 95% of domestic violence in my opinion is commited by females against males, because they are such relentless power and control freaks.
Obviously no one has deleted your comment here, although under free speech you will see plenty of rebutals.
"Your day is over. now it's our day."
I wouldn't count your chickens just yet. The history of human civilization is a long history of human beings opposing tyrants, and gender feminism is one of the most tyrannical ideologies ever to have existed in the history of the world. Just because we live in a brave new world where disputes are waged on line, and words are exchanged in an ongoing "cyber war" does not mean that good people (not gender feminists) will not eventually prevail in all areas of our society - in all arenas.
Evil gender feminism must be called to task for the evil it has brought into our society. Too many human lives have been harmed or destroyed by evil gender feminism. ...and it all begins in taxpayer funded women's studies classes on college campuses across America.
Sincerely, Ray
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by AngryMan
(end_misandryNOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk)
on 10:28 AM February 11th, 2005 EST (#12)
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So, we are all masochists are we? That's funny! I could have sworn we were all power-mad sadistic rapists. It turns out that we all LIKE being dominated by women! Well, well, well. You learn something new every day.
But hang on a second. If we are all masochists who like being dominated by women, then how come we apparently dominated the world (and women) for ten thousand years? I'm all confused now.
Doesn't women's studies teach you how to think? I haven't seen any evidence of it so far...
Come on you silent feminist lurkers! Why don't you put forward a half-decent argument. Just once.
Feminism will continue as long as there is money to be made from hating men.
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by Anonymous User on 01:02 PM February 11th, 2005 EST (#13)
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"So, we are all masochists are we? That's funny! I could have sworn we were all power-mad sadistic rapists. It turns out that we all LIKE being dominated by women! "
AM:
You nailed the little femitroll in her hypocrisy. One could write an encyclopaedia out of all the hypocrisy one finds in the gender feminst movement and women's studies text books.
As we all see clearly from this thread, hypocrisy is no big deal to a G-fem as long as it works to her advantage. Oh, the shame of it all, that G-fems have no shame for their hypocritical abuse of innocent men.
Sincerely, Ray
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frank h writes "The title says "Detainees Accuse Female Interrogators" and the subtext is "Pentagon inquiry confirms sexual tactics." While I have little sympathy for these terrorists, why am I not surprised at the behavior of the women? Read the story