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by mozzie on 03:19 AM January 8th, 2005 EST (#1)
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I note that we have a similiar problem exists here in Australia with a number of female teacher sex offender cases.
I also note a recently published paper "Offender and victim characteristics of all registered adult female sexual offenders in Texas, a proposed typology of female sexual offenders", by D.Vandiver & G. Kercher, "Sexual Abuse", vol 16, no 2, Apr 2004, pp 121-137.
Currently there is a debate in health and social sciences between the psychological model (abuse and victimisation is a human problem) and the Feminist model (Men abuse and women are victims). The psychological model is gaining ascendency because health workers are aware of the female factor in abuse.
Our media is active in reporting about female abusers, and it seems, the lace curtain is being torn asunder!
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by Anonymous User on 03:50 PM January 9th, 2005 EST (#3)
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Mozzie-
I'm glad that the media in Australia is starting to report on female sexual predators.
I hope our media in the U.S. will follow suit. However I'm not holding my breath.
By the way do you know about that "VOODOO jeans" billboard, there in Australia, that depicted a woman walking two naked men on leashes like dogs? If so, what ever became of that?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by n.j. on 10:42 AM January 9th, 2005 EST (#2)
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..and that is that not sexual relationships between 16-year-olds and adults are the problem, but the puritan societies particularly of certain English speaking countries.
Unfortunately, this hysteria has even partially spread to Europe now.
A 16-year-old, as well as anyone else who went through puberty, is not a child but biologically an adult. Society can suppress the effects of that with draconian laws, like in the US, but it doesn't change the facts.
Of course young people can be exploited by ruthless adults but well, so does the Army ;).
The problem is of course that females are only prosecuted in cases where the exploitation is so clear it's undeniable.
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by jenk on 10:41 PM January 9th, 2005 EST (#4)
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nj,
Students are not equal to teachers in regards to power. The teacher automatically holds the student at a disadvantage, no matter what size, sex or age. There is indeed something seriously wrong when a student and teacher are dating.
16 years old may mean a boy is close to manhood, but that does not mean a 16 year old is able to deal on the same level as an adult. To say that a 16 year old boy is capable of dealing with an adult woman is niave.
I see this as keeping our kids safe until they are adults. Since we give our kids no responsibilities until they are 16-18, they do not become adult until in their 20's. When biology equaled adulthood, those teens had already lived a hard life with much responsibility. Today kids are soft, coddled, and spoiled, or abused and taught to blame others. Either way, very few kids at 16, 18 or even 20 have a clue.
Puritan societies?
It sounds like you have a deeper agenda here. Free sex have never really been a good long term plan for societies. As one who has played both sides of that coin, it isn't all it is cracked up to be.
Puritan societies? Draconian law? Try common sense.
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by n.j. on 08:54 PM January 13th, 2005 EST (#5)
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> Puritan societies?
Yes. A few hundred years ago, religious zealots left Europe to head to the New World. It still shows today :).
> Free sex have never really been a good long term plan for societies.
Says who? The Greek and Roman empires have existed for longer than anything comparable that came after them.
>As one who has played both sides of that coin, it isn't all it is cracked up to be.
I agree the benefits might be exaggerated. But it's not hard to see that supressed sexuality can result in aggression, and that a more relaxed approach to it has its benefits.
It's weird that you can't show bare breasts on US TV, simply a human female torso without clothes. It's as weird as the most whacky rituals of some naturalist tribe in the rain forest that we like to laugh about here.
Well, we in Germany laugh about the US in that matter. What people fail to see, of course, is that we also have our blind spots here. Probably as an aftermath of WW2 re-education, violence in movies is heavily censored and movies can be be completely banned (unavailable for adults) because of it.
And draconian law, yes, we call draconian what happens in the US in these matters. I agree that it's a sensitive topic and I would have some doubts to allow my 16-year-old kid to have such a relationship. But to generally outlaw it is wrong; I bet many Americans still have parents who married at that age. Some people are mature enough to handle it, while others are not. It should be up to the parents to decide, and that's how it is here if kids are at least 16. Same with drinking and smoking, although they can do that in public even without specially expressed consent of their parents.
That teacher should be convicted because the grades of the boy dropped and because she abused her power over him, not automatically because he was just 16 IMHO.
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