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I read the article and the letter. VERY POWERFUL!
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by Anonymous User on 12:47 PM November 27th, 2004 EST (#4)
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Yes, the letter was very powerful. Our feminazified media still denies that the suicide epidemic is a direct result of feminaziism. Usual "explanations" offered are mental illness, alcoholism etc. A few months ago, in Ireland, a man walked into a solicitor's office, doused himself with petrol , set himself alight and burnt to death. This event got scant media coverage. Most importantly, the media carefully avoided mentioning that the solicitor was acting on behalf of his wife in the family court, that his children had been taken from him etc. I couldn't help contrasting this with the massive publicity given to those monks in Vietnam, many years ago, who burnt themselves to death in protest at the vietnam war.
Hotspur
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by Anonymous User on 02:56 PM November 27th, 2004 EST (#7)
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The mainstream media's contempt for men is obvious. Much of it seems to be the product of feminazis and their lackeys.
But don't commit suicide. Just make a difference in your little section of the world. Everybody do this, and soon we'll have a sunshiney day.
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Unfortunately, this is yet another example of how men often can't present or express themselves properly. What is it with that weird penis nonsense, where is the factual style that is required when dealing with politicians? They STILL don't listen to rants, or am I missing something here and it's different in the US?
I think using more eloquent speaking is very advisable.. as the receipient of the letter, I would wonder what kind of people would send me something like that, rather than think about the message it tries to convey.
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Um, make that "the US and Canada".. same thing anyway ;).
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by Anonymous User on 02:52 PM November 27th, 2004 EST (#6)
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I hope that the reaction is that these men are pissed and aren't going to take it anymore. Sure, the letter doesn't have a lobbyist's polish, but most men are just good ordinary guys. And I agree that most male politicians have no understanding of themselves as male. You might as well say that they have no penis.
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by Anonymous User on 03:09 PM November 27th, 2004 EST (#8)
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"Unfortunately, this is yet another example of how men often can't present or express themselves properly. What is it with that weird penis nonsense, where is the factual style that is required when dealing with politicians? They STILL don't listen to rants, or am I missing something here..."
That style seems to be working fine for the half of the human race that doesn't have penises as evidenced by all the times this has played on taxpayer funded college campuses.
Perhaps the point you are missing is that America is a vulgar society, when judged by the standards accepted for what is considered class in Europe. Even Canada, a far more socialistic society to our north, doesn't embrace the cultural arts with the same fervor that Europe does. Of course Los Angeles, New York and places like that are exceptions, but those are also some of the most rabid dens of radical/gender feminism. Is there then a correlation between culturally aware societies and radical/gender feminism? Not really, just a link between liberal ideologues and the communist origins of radical/gender feminism.
Instead of spending countless hours reading the classic works of the western world, or other such cerebral challenges, we Americans (even liberals) often shop and feed "the capitalist beast" instead. Uh, I meant to say, "economy." It's all a part of the capitalist "brainwashing," we constantly live under. Uh, I meant to say, "social influence." In fact, I was just going out the door wearing this to battle the hordes of other excited capitalist shoppers who are getting ready for the holidays.
Considering the low opinion politicians have of men, and their intellectual capacities, it is not really out of line to talk to them (politicians) at a 10th grade level. In a very real sense it is what they expect, and the same level they often use to communicate with the public. The thing that makes a more significant impression in an American politician's mind is the number of voters expressing a certain viewpoint. It is far more important for a contingency of voters to be organized and have wide public exposure, than to have a strong factual presentation (even though the men's movement is putting together an excellent grasp of the facts). There is no better proof that facts are not that important, than the successes of the radical/gender feminist movement, a group largely based on lies and deception. One of the most destructive radial/gender feminist laws/lies in history was based on factual inaccuracy .
Sheila Kuehl was just elected to 2nd, 4 year term as Senator in California. She was an Assemblyperson when this "factual inaccuracy" 1st came out so her record alone is overwhelming proof that facts don't matter. She has made a career out of spreading misandrist misinformation.
Sincerely, Ray
Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All the info I was trying to convey is as the page initially comes up.
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by Anonymous User on 04:55 PM November 27th, 2004 EST (#9)
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Unfortunately, this is yet another example of how men often can't present or express themselves properly
I thought it was very well and powerfully expressed. Straight to the nub of the matter.
Don't get hung up on the style.
Different strokes for different folks.
west.
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I guess I am just a BACF (that's Backward Ass Country Fu@# to you cultural elitists n.j.). It has gone beyond the stage of waxing eloquently (I hurt myself coming up with that). Reasoned communication and diplomacy has not worked. The time for justice is now. It is time for more groups such as Fathers4Justice who ARE getting front-page news because of their so-called terrorist activities. If we have to sink to the level of the feminazis to get out our message. I say whatever works. Proof read and feel free to comment on my grammar and elocution n.j. (OUCH my country-educated brain can't take much more). Now where is my spell and grammar checker?
BADGER
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by Anonymous User on 11:40 AM November 28th, 2004 EST (#12)
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"The time for justice is now. It is time for more groups such as Fathers4Justice..."
I'm really looking forward to watching these guys in America in the new year. My brand of protesting is mild compared to these guys. I guess I just don't want to get arrested, because of all the additional money and head aches associated with that.
As far as "country style," my original idea for protest signs (truck bed size) came from an NCFM, Transitions newsletter that talked about some guys in Missouri who bought a billboard to pressure a judge out of office.
Country style is great, and given the large immigrant population in L.A. who don't speak "good English," my attitude is that communication efforts should contain respect and consideration for the communication level of the person one is talking with. One of the smartest men I ever knew was my Dad, who only had a 7th grade education, but a heart of pure gold. His actions spoke far louder than any words, and he is still a major role model in my life every time I ask myself, "What's the right thing to do?"
As far as language goes, I'm working very hard to learn "femi-speak," (and it's a real brain tweaker). Perhaps "femi-babble" would be a more accurate description of the language employed by radical/gender feminists to express their ideology. Believe me, it is painful going reading those "classless classics of confusion," that are the core body of feminist thought and ideology. The language of femi-speak is very useful tool to posses in order to better "know the enemy," but it is painful to read such hateful and bigoted stuff just to be able to more adeptly refute radical/gender feminist nonsense using common sense and logic. Although radical/gender feminists say that logic is an oppressive construction of the female oppressing patriarchy, it is men and women of common sense and good will who choose logic abundantly over the nonsensical hate language of the radical/gender feminists.
As far as I'm concerned if you can only string two words together, "speak out against radical/gender feminism." If you can write a letter, or a paper or a book, "speak out against radical/gender feminism." If you can do a public protest, and speak out against radical/gender feminism, "many will hear your voice."
The educated and well spoken critics, who criticize men's activists, but don't do it constructively, appear to me to be a rather worthless, ineffective lot. The appear to contribute little to the proactive efforts that men's activists are trying to move forward with. Perhaps some day if those critics educate themselves more wisely on men's issues and the nuances of American, Canadian, British, Australian culture, they may actually be able to speak intelligently, although colloquially, with Yanks, Canucks, Brits, and Aussies, (even us sophisticated, elitist, truck driving, Country folks).
Dang, that kids wearing bib overalls!
Another Country Boy
Plain Spoken, "Country" Perspective
Sincerely, Ray
Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All the info I'm trying to convey is as the page initially comes up.
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One of the few cultural treasures left on the highly feminized CBC is Stuart McLean and his show "The Vinyl Café". This Sunday he read a short story submitted by a viewer about a history teacher he had fond memories of who was quite an outrageous character. One of the things this history teacher did was rant at and berate and belittle the class clown for arriving late and submitting an assignment late. After the furious tirade, he explained to the class that he and the class clown had pre-arranged this little show as a way of introducing the class into how the Holocaust happened, How Hitler and his cronies, armed with the media of radio and a one sided debate that could not be responded to...in collaboration with a population more concerned with maintaining decorum and hoping that such storms would go away if you just ignore them, let the holocaust happen.
Before I came out of a period of hiding, an eight year long period where I was actually run out of my home town over a protest I made concerning the future of boys in our schools. Just after I heard that the Government of Canada was going to sponsor and champion a witch hunt to eradicate all opponents of feminism....I stood on a platform built beside one of my apple trees that is used for my clothesline. I stood there with a rope in my hand and seriously contemplated taking the drop.
Instead, I came inside and I followed the links to the SOW website posted at BC Fathers. I composed a hateful and defyant rant. I have not stopped posting hateful and defyant rants and I have no intention of doing so. If any champion of the feminazi filth who is distressed by my hatefull and defyant rants wants me to stop they are going to have to come here and kill me close and personal because I have no intention of surrendering and I have no intention of becomming silent. Over my deceased form...that is not a figure of speach.
I have gone far beyond being afraid of what people might think about my gender politics.
Anyone who is distressed about what I have to say about feminists can drop dead of appoplexy and go to Hell, I will goose any woman I see grieving at your funeral including your mother and if the frost heaves your feminazi ass out of your grave I will kick it.
Hope that makes it clear where I stand and why.
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If this were intended as a letter written to a politician who was expected to actually listen and consider our point of view, I would agree with you. In this case, the point of the letter is simply to express outrage at the continued mass sellout of politicians to the feminist lobby. I doubt any letter sent to the PM by MRAs would be read by him, and I'm sure no policy changes would result no matter how skilled the writer.
Some MRAs went to DC last June and lobbied Congress about men's rights issues. In this case, MRAs were polite, and even had female MRAs with them. This also had no effect other than to demonstrate the existence of the MRA movement to some congressional staff members.
I prefer something in between, expressing outrage but in a factual and precise way. In any case, men generally need to begin expressing their displeasure with politicians who have disenfranchized them because of their gender, and they have the right to express this displeasure in any manner they deem appropriate.
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I just don't understand why men in Canada still get married. They obviously only have the civil rights equivalent of a hog's before the family courts up there.
However, in the US the situation is a lot better and more progressive for men. Here we have the civil rights equivalent of two hogs before the family court system.
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