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by Anonymous User on 11:26 PM November 7th, 2004 EST (#1)
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Well thanks a LOT, Adam! Now I have yet another reason to never leave the house!
Hehe...only kidding folks. I never needed any more reasons.
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This appeared in a local paper a few months back (sorry, couldn't find an online version of it). The look on my girlfriends face when I showed her the article was priceless.
After discussing it with her, we got into a larger discussion about male physiology. I was surprised at how ignorant she was of the male body. There were a lot of assumptions she had about why guys, and their bodies, are the way they are, and many of them were wrong.
I am surprised that she knew so little, and yet I did not share as many assumptions about women's bodies. After discussing it with her, I came to the conclusion that there were no resources for her to access. She had honestly not known a lot of things about men because no one had told her.
I personally learned a lot about women's bodies in sexual education classes in school, I also made a habit of discussing things with partners I have had. It occurs to me that while I was asking about their bodies, I never told them anything about mine.
Guys... talk to your wives/girlfriends about how you work and why. My girlfriend didn't realize that she had a rather contemptuous view of guys until I explained to her a lot about male bodies. It was so different from her previous view that she had to go confirm it with a bunch of our guy friends. Hopefully, she will pass the word on to her female friends.
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Why the *HELL* are you getting married to a woman who holds comtempt for your body?!!! Why the *FUCK* are you even getting married period?!!!
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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by Anonymous User on 01:13 PM November 8th, 2004 EST (#3)
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the same as with women, orgasms have health benefits as well!
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by Anonymous User on 01:27 PM November 8th, 2004 EST (#4)
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The Bible says that masturbation is wrong.
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You have to remember that the Bible needed to have little Christians running around to spread the word. Not exactly unbiased. It was, remember, written by men, so some intent may have been lost in translation.
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Actually, the idea was to have a bunch of little Hebrews, running around. This biblical reference is from 1000 years before Christ.
The big idea is that sex with your wife is better than masturbation or sex with someone else's wife. Nothing controversial there, is there?
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Tells you how up on my bible quotes I am, eh?
Well, isn't sex with your wife supposed to be better than with your self or your neighbors wife?
Of course I am waiting for Dave to get on here and THANK you all for posting this ;-)
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by Anonymous User on 04:32 AM November 9th, 2004 EST (#12)
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"This biblical reference is from ......"
What bible reference?? I think you are confusing the teachings of the Bible with the teachings of the Cathoic Church.
Hotspur
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Well I tried finding the O.T. reference I remembered reading a few years back. The closest I can find is Genesis 38, as decribed in another branch, which I mistook as being a proscription against masturbation. It appears to be a proscription against coitus interruptus.
Gen. 38:8 Then Judah said to Onan, 'Go in to your brother's wife and perform the duty of a brother-in-law to her; raise up offspring for your brother.' 9 But since Onan knew that the offspring would not be his, he spilled his semen on the ground whenever he went in to see his brother's wife, so that he would not give offspring to his brother. 10 What he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord, and he put him to death also.
This still doesn't sound quite like what I was reading, because I don't remember a woman being involved. So I will withdraw... My suggestion that the bible opposes masturbation is not supported. I'm sure we all feel more comfortable believing that masturbation is looked upon favorably by God but that coitus interruptus is a capital offense.
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by Anonymous User on 01:12 PM November 9th, 2004 EST (#14)
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...In other words masturbation is a sin.
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by Anonymous User on 01:28 PM November 9th, 2004 EST (#17)
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Thanks for reply. There are references in the Bible ( in Leviticus, I think ) which refer to a man being unclean for a period of time following "an emission", just as a woman is "unclean" during menstruation. However, I don't think the Bible says that the man has done anything wrong.
Maybe, as you suggest, Onan was "displeasing in the sight of the Lord" because he practised coitus interruptus. However, it is equally possible that he displeased the Lord because of the deceitfulness of his actions, and because he acted against the wishes of his father.
Regards,
Hotspur
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"...In other words masturbation is a sin."
Says who?.....A bunch of irrationally sexual-phobic, maliciously anti-sex people living in caves thousands of years ago?
Granted, back then there were no contraceptives or prevention for STD's/VD's (although there were home remedies like herbs, potions, camel feces--that's pleasant)so I could understand why *BACK THEN* they would be frightened by sex.
Sex was viewed only as a means of propagating the species. Masturbation is a sin because one cannot procreate while masturbating (obviously).Sex or sexual gratification for any other reason was evil, which is why [psycho]Conservative Christians hate homosexuality. Homosexuals can't procreate through homosexual sex and according to the [psycho]fundamentalist Christians that's why it's a sin. Children are supposed to be the punishment for sex.
Pleasure=evil/sin in the Bible, since they were so gung-ho on making babies. Sex=children, NOTHING else according to the Bible. Sexual pleasure for the sake of pleasure equals sin and evil. Bullshit. I believe in God and Christ but NONE of that backward anti-sexual pleasure, pro-baby making every time one fucks, and anti-homosexuality bullshit in the Bible.
People back then must have just hated pleasure period. Guys your health is more important than some irrational superstitious fundamentalist nonsense, so go ahead and *enjoy* yourself :-)
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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Mz Thea,
You seem to be advocating all sex, all the time, in as many different variations as possible. Is that an effective summary?
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No. I was not illustrating the Kama Sutra. My point is that sex for pleasure (between two consenting adults or two consenting older mature teens of the same age--like 16, 17) is NOT an evil, sinful thing that the Christian fundementalists portray it to be. So long as people (we're talking human on human action) use protection and contraceptives, or know well about their partner's history and their own past partners' health, the acts of sexual intercourse and sexual pleasure such as masturbation is great (though I have never experienced any of the two).
I however am celibate and a nineteen year old virgin, and I intend to be one until I find my male life partner. Which is YEARS from now. But those who are sexually active are not committing some evil deed....unless they're not using protection like the people who go around having unprotected sex when they know that they're infected with a disease. And let's not forget about the bitches who lie about birth control or poke holes in men's condoms so they can get a check as we all know. Those people who are having high risk sex are a danger to society.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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Damn it, I meant at the end of the first paragraph "are great" because it's plural. Damn it!
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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by Anonymous User on 04:52 PM November 9th, 2004 EST (#22)
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well, in all honesty, I hope you find a man who shares that value of holding out for one special person. Because it should be equal.
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It should be, but I understand that not everybody chooses celibacy or holding onto virginity. I can't dictate one's sexuality just as no one can dictate mine. All I ask for in that case is for him to get tested before we become intimate and if he wants me to get tested too (toliet seats are a breeding ground for STD's) then I will without protest. It's about being open and honest.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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by Anonymous User on 05:57 PM November 8th, 2004 EST (#8)
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Actually, I don't think it does. Perhaps I am wrong. Could you back up your statement with a relevant Bible chapter and verse?
Hotspur
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by Anonymous User on 11:28 PM November 8th, 2004 EST (#11)
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yeah, it doesn't say jack about masturbation in the bible...That guy Onan--Onanism--who got in trouble for "spilling his seed" wasn't masturbating...he pulled out so she wouldn't get pregnant, ie., he "spilled his seed". Some sort of law, or duty to keep the family name going...well something like that. I think
Michael
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by Anonymous User on 01:15 PM November 9th, 2004 EST (#15)
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So in other words; "FINISH what you START!", I guess.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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You are kidding, right?
Practicing "safe sex" is never wrong.
And by "safe sex" I don't just mean avoiding STD's like AIDS.
Practicising "safe sex" also avoids 18 plus years of financial enslavement to support a bastard you didn't have the choice to accept or decline parenthood for. Women have had this choice for over a quarter of a century now.
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by Anonymous User on 01:47 PM November 10th, 2004 EST (#25)
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I think the Anon is actually saying that HE thinks masurbation is a sin.
If I'm right Anon, why do you think that? I'm not saying you are wrong (or right)I'm just curious as to why you believe this.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 03:35 PM November 11th, 2004 EST (#26)
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Never mind.
Just forget it.
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