Glass ceiling not so urgent?

	posted by Adam on 11:02 AM November 6th, 2004
	Linucs writes "From this press release: BOSTON, MA (PRWEB) October 21, 2004 -- When asked what causes them the most stress in the office, the majority of the 2,000 members surveyed by the Downtown Women’s Club (DWC) -- a business networking organization for women -- ranked “too much work” well above the “glass ceiling.” Looks like the "glass ceiling" is not regarded as the most important problem. But here comes the surprise: What is surprising is the low ranking of stress about the glass ceiling and lack of equal pay. Especially when, for the first time in 12 years, we have seen an increase in the gender gap, with women make only 75.5 cents for every dollar that men earn, according to a release this summer by the U.S. Census Bureau. “It’s almost a Catch-22 where women are working too much to focus on the gender gap, and as a result are creating a situation where they’ll have to work even harder and longer for less money in the future,” concluded Danielson. Now it looks like women work too much, therefore they cannot spare some time to complain about the gender gap (?)."

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women and work (Score:1) by Gregory on 10:35 PM November 6th, 2004 EST (#1) (User #1218 Info) This article sounds like more feminist inspired whining from women who are complaining about working long hours. Welcome to the rat race, ladies. Of course, full-time working men work longer hours on average than full-time working women; there is more pressure on men than on women to make money because men (not women) are expected to be the primary provider; and men work more dangerous jobs and work the least popular shifts under the least popular conditions. The so called gender pay gap is simply the result of women being paid less because of the choices they make in a market oriented economy -- to work fewer hours, to work in less dangerous jobs, to enjoy more flexibility and in occupations that tend to pay less than traditional male professions. Grow up women! You actually have it pretty good.

Re:women and work (Score:0) by Anonymous User on 12:40 AM November 7th, 2004 EST (#2) Exactly - and I'd like to point out a fallacy in the logic of the article: they are conflating women's claims of "working too much" with them actually working long hours - and for less pay; but in this case "less pay" means compared to men, and as full-time working men are actually working several hours more per week (on average) than than full-time working women, these women are only working "too much" on a subjective basis - they expect to have more of a work/family balance than men do, and so perceive doing less paid work than men as still working "too much." In fact, all of the things these women list ahead of the "glass ceiling" could be taken as reasons for the creation of the so-called "wage gap" - as you say, the women are choosing more enjoyable, safer, flexible, less stressful work and working less hours at those jobs (and thus quite fairly earning less on average than men), precisely because they want to avoid the stress-causing factors they listed and have more time for their personal lives. So they are not even whining about joining the rat race - they are whining that working less than men is still working "too much" and about not being paid even more for working even less - the exact opposite conclusion the article makes.

Re:women and work (Score:1) by Tom on 09:08 AM November 7th, 2004 EST (#3) (User #192 Info) http://www.standyourground.com Anon said: So they are not even whining about joining the rat race - they are whining that working less than men is still working "too much" and about not being paid even more for working even less - the exact opposite conclusion the article makes. Very well said. Do we have True Equality?

Feminist Doublethink (Score:2) by AngryMan (end_misandryNOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk) on 06:39 AM November 8th, 2004 EST (#4) (User #1810 Info) I love this quote:- What is surprising is the low ranking of stress about the glass ceiling and lack of equal pay. Why is it surprising? I didn't find it surprising at all. It's only surprising because it doesn't accord with feminist ideological dogma. They survey women workers about their jobs, and when the workers refuse to give them the answers they want, they have to make excuses to explain why not. It's because the poor things are 'too tired' to care about the gender gap. I wonder if African-American slaves back in the old days were too tired to care about the fact that they were slaves. What drivel. This is a good example of how feminism tries to explain away inconvenient evidence. Maybe women workers don't care about the 'gender gap' because it doesn't actually exist. Feminism will continue as long as there is money to be made from hating men.

Glass ceiling, so what? (Score:1) by Greystoke on 05:16 AM November 9th, 2004 EST (#5) (User #774 Info) Assume, for a minute, that there actually is a glass ceiling. Further, assume that it's mandated by law - that there is a law stating that women cannot be hired as corporate CEOs or board members. How many people would actually be affected by such a law? .5 percent of the female population? .1 percent? .01 percent? I'd say the reason why women in general don't feel stressed because of the glass ceiling is that even if it existed, it would only affect a minute fraction of them. Fortune 500 corporate leadership are mostly male, but over 99.9% of males aren't CEOs. But of course the glass ceiling is a great excuse for opting for a less challenging and time-consuming career.

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