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by Anonymous User on 12:28 AM November 6th, 2004 EST (#1)
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I find it strangely hard to care about those parasites in Fallujah. May your country's fine armed forces slaughter every last one of the parasites.
Congratulations to your President on his re-election.
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'Parasites'? Don't you mean 'patriots'? I hate to break it to you, but it is their f*cking country.
Feminism will continue as long as there is money to be made from hating men.
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by Anonymous User on 08:06 AM November 8th, 2004 EST (#36)
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"'Parasites'? Don't you mean 'patriots'? I hate to break it to you, but it is their f*cking country."
Doesn't that depend on the number of foriegn terrorists they eventually find who are fighting with the terrorists? Actually, the Iraqi patriots are the ones who stormed that hospital, and all the other Iraqis who are resisting terrorism.
R.
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by Anonymous User on 09:25 AM November 8th, 2004 EST (#38)
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'Parasites'? Don't you mean 'patriots'?
No, I meant parasites.
I hate to break it to you, but it is their f*cking country.
I fail to see how that excuses their anti-Western theocratic sentiment.
I must say old chap, I am quite enjoying the reports filtering in of the mass slaughter occurring in Fallujah right now. I sincerely hope the US and UK painfully slaughter everything that moves.
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There is a lot to say about the war, but it is not really a men's activism issue, so I feel it's off topic. However, some very brief points:
(1) Iraq had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. It seems a guy called Osama Bin Laden was behind that.
(2) The USA hired, trained, armed and funded both Saddam and Bin Laden.
(3) The 'insurgents' may be anti-Western, but just because someone doesn't like you is not a reason to kill them. We also have to ask ourselves why they are anti-Western. Perhaps invading their country had something to do with it.
(4) If you are anti-theocratic (and I certainly am), you might want to be concerned about the US. There are plenty of religious fundamentalists in the government over there, and unlike Iraq, they actually DO have WMDs.
Feminism will continue as long as there is money to be made from hating men.
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by Anonymous User on 12:09 PM November 8th, 2004 EST (#40)
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The Bush administration never claimed that Iraq or Hussein were involved in 9/11; that is an invention of various Western and anti-US groups.
The US did not train Bin Laden. US funding during the Afghanistan war against the Soviets in the 80s primarily went to groups which founded the Northern Alliance.
The US ceased nearly all arms supplies to Iraq after 83/84 or thereabouts. China, France, Russia and, interestingly enough, the UK are the main offenders. Although so many countries rank higher up on the list that it becomes irrelevant to note the US' position on the list.
I am not going to engage in retrospection about why terrorists and insurgents don't like the West, apart from making the banally obvious observation that the West - the US specifically - poses a grave threat to the future of theocracy. It is an illusion to claim the terrorists are patriots; they are merely the agents of theocrats and they should be exterminated post-haste and with extreme prejudice.
The US' government is not run by religious fundamentalists, nor is the US a theocracy, unless you're the bedwetting type that regards any diversion from the narrowly secular as an impending theocracy.
Looks like the slaughter is progressing well! I will reserve congratulations though until the toll is well into the hundreds or preferably thousands.
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by Anonymous User on 09:05 PM November 8th, 2004 EST (#44)
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"It is an illusion to claim the terrorists are patriots; they are merely the agents of theocrats and they should be exterminated post-haste and with extreme prejudice."
I saw a G.I. tonight say, "The dogs of hell have been set loose on the insurrectionists."
It was a just cause to try to persuade those terrorist to disarm, and bring peace to Iraq, even though the cost in American lives (and innocent Iraqis) was too high a price to pay for their stubborness.
Now, after having been extended an abundance of merciful restraint and long suffering patience, it must be a terrible thing for those terroist to fall into the powerful hands of a furious judgement.
Let them eat lead!
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I know this may cause a stir, but this isn't a bad idea.
The problem in combating asymetrical and guerilla warfare is that no one is wearing uniforms. That's highly simplistic, so I will elaborate.
The "innocent" guy (and they all claim to be innocent) may or may not be your enemy. We learned this in Vietnam, it's happening today, and a lot of good MEN died because we wanted to "err on the side of caution/justice".
The guy who pleads, smiles, professes his love of Americans, and spits when you say Saddam's name may well come back with an IED (improvised explosive device) later.
Don't mistake what I am saying. I am not advocating genocide, carpet bombing, or eugenics (or the religious crusade varient).
This next point is critical
For about a year any able bodied man could have LEFT Falujah at any time. Walked out. Reported on the terrorists or stayed quiet. He could have tried to join the new gov't. He could have helped with relief aid.
None of this (for the most part) happened. The terrorists/insurgents (murdering cocksuckers) have had a base of operations that the U.S. has not squashed for far to long. We did not crush them while trying to not harm Mosques, negotiated with insurgent leaders, and the U.S. troops have bent over backwards and bled and been maimed in the process.
I'm not gonna apologize when I meet soldiers coming back who see MSM vilifiying them, liberals wanting appeasment, and U.S. soldiers come back with parts of their bodies missing. I'm not gonna apologize for wanting to set a dead-line, enforce it, and go in and strip the "civililans" of their weapons and kill anyone who fires on a U.S. uniform.
Let the women and children walk out (no vehicles that can carry explosives).
Then make an ultimatum.
Then clean house.
Works for me.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 04:16 AM November 6th, 2004 EST (#3)
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The problem is that women can be a threat of terror not less than men and we see that fact in Israel where female suicide bombers and exploding many times, killing innocent civilians so it's a BIG lie to say that women can't be dangerous!!!
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question, though, I thought U.S. soldiers were even having to search children as these terrorists don't conform to our sense of decency of, oh, not telling an 8-year-old girl to hide a semiautomatic in her clothing so she can walk out with it.
Unfortunately, enough, we're still trying to play decent with those that play dirty.
No, I don't think it is purposeful gendercide, it isn't going to work either though.
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by Anonymous User on 05:43 AM November 6th, 2004 EST (#5)
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First, women are NOT children. Not physically
or mentally or any other way. It's not fair
to automatically assume that women are innocent
and helpless because it's also very dangerous
mistake for anybody who fight against terror,
as we see in Israel. Second, it IS a gendercide
because no matter how you explain it, you take care that only men will die and in those places
even 10 years old boy defined as "man" or "young
man". It's making me very angry because
I've read a lot of research about gendercide
and how women always, through the entire history,
were much more protected than men. It's EXACTLY
the reason women invented Feminism, because
it's obvious for them that women are superior
and much more important human being!!!
I Suggest you all to read more about GENDERCIDE
before you judge the story here.
Jacob
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by Anonymous User on 09:21 AM November 6th, 2004 EST (#6)
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"Second, it IS a gendercide
because no matter how you explain it, you take care that only men will die and in those places
even 10 years old boy defined as "man" or "young
man". It's making me very angry because
I've read a lot of research about gendercide
and how women always, through the entire history,
were much more protected than men."
In America, women strive for "equality" by ruining men's athletic programs. Feminists say those programs condition men for violence, but in reality it is a great way to teach young men to displace their aggression into non destructive outlets. Also, since women fought so hard for "equality" in sports, so they can now displace their aggression (hopefully), where then are the radical/gender feminist hypocrites when it comes to “equality” in combat service? They are nowhere to be found.
As far as the situation in Fallujah, "Why blame only men for violence, then send only men to combat?" At the college where I work a poster hangs on the women's studies display board that says, "What can men do to stop their violence against women?" Another says, “Stop the war on women.” Another says, “If men could get pregnant abortion would be a sacrament.” In the post office that I go to a Selective Service (SS) poster hangs in the lobby where I often wait to pick up packages and it says, "A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do." Women get billions and billions of dollars for the minuscule violence (compared to men) that they face. Under radical/gender feminism our returning war vets get nothing, but disrespect and disparaging comments like they are now "prone to violence."
The front lines in Fallujah today should be womanized 100% with females, and not a single man should be there. That would only be fair to compensate for the historic discrimination that has been waged against men who have been sent to war. I would settle for 50/50, but we are not even close to that, nor even close to even talking about that. Where is Title IX, when it comes to leveling this playing field?
The radical/gender feminists would have us believe that sex roles are interchangeable and that sex (gender) is a societal construction. It’s taught in women’s studies programs on college campuses, but abundant evidence (and common sense) proves it is not interchangeable (certainly in the short term). Radical/gender feminist would like us to believe that what takes place in evolution over hundreds of thousands, or hundreds of millions of years is proof that sex roles can be changed at a moments notice.
We live in a hypocritical country when it comes to sex role equity. War is one thing, domestic violence is another. Men are exploited in both by the hypocritical, double standard, hate agenda of the radical/gender feminists. As always these bigots have it both ways in order to have it their way, and men just die, go to jail, and overall have their lives ruined by the lies, distortions, and half truths of the man haters, but no more.
If this election proved anything it is that the war on men is going to end. Fallujah is nothing but a side show. Let us not forget the real “dead end” radical/gender feminist terrorists who populate women's studies programs on college campuses, women's commissions, women’s legislative caucuses, domestic violence council's, the sexual harassment industry, etc., etc., etc. They are the real terrorist evil that the world is facing, and we must oppose them until laws, educational systems, and social institutions are changed to reflect sanity, instead of the man hating stupidity that now overwhelmingly characterizes law in places like America (California, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Colorado espeically), UK, Canada, Australia, Israel, India, the United Nations, and other bastions of radical/gender feminism.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on 09:42 AM November 6th, 2004 EST (#8)
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...“Stop the war on women.” Another says, “If men could get pregnant abortion would be a sacrament.” In the post office that I go to a Selective Service (SS) poster hangs in the lobby where I often wait to pick up packages and it says, "A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do."
The obvious message that hypocritical, feminazi America is sending to men and women is that women have privileges and rights over their bodies, and that men don't. Men have obligations. Women have choices. Men are disposable. Women are protected.
click Who are really the oppressed?
Sincerely, Ray
Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All the info I'm trying to convey is as the page initially comes up.
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by Anonymous User on 12:36 PM November 6th, 2004 EST (#10)
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I agree with this too...I think women's bodies are more important then men...If a lot of Iraq women get killed at this point, how will they rebuild their population later...
Same thing with US...actually US women are NOT supposed to even BE on the front lines in Iraq...so how can we justify Iraq civilian women being there?
Stop being jealous of women...
That's the main problem here..
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by Anonymous User on 02:32 PM November 6th, 2004 EST (#12)
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Nice quote!
"Stop being jealous of women..."
Strangely like what the Southern plantation masters advised their SLAVES!
"Count your blessings... not my blessings... because I'm white and you're not. Now go kill yourself cutting sugar cane and cotton!"
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by Anonymous User on 02:40 PM November 6th, 2004 EST (#13)
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Jealous?!?!
Advanced modern socity that want to get a
REAL equality, such anti-male attitude should not
be allowed! The combination of radical feminism
with traditional male chivalry promise mass
murder of millions if not billions of men!
That's clearly a NAZI attitude!!!
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by Anonymous User on 04:06 PM November 6th, 2004 EST (#17)
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"I think women's bodies are more important then men...If a lot of Iraq women get killed at this point, how will they rebuild their population later..."
Nonsense! Clearly we have women to spare, when you consider the fact that more than 42,000,000 human lives have been taken by women since 1973. Radical/gender feminists teach that gender is a social construction so their will be no problem finding plenty of good Fathers to raise children if one woman gets too many for her to handle by herself. In fact, we already have laws to do that called "Paternity Fraud," where a woman just picks a man without his approval. Clearly, that process should be drastically modified to allow men "choice," while teaching women responsibility.
It is not a matter of jealousy. It is a matter of equality. Given American radical/gender feminists constant call for equality, it is hypocritical for any of them to not insist that females take combat positions in front of men. Where are Title IX quotas for combat positions for women? Let the man hating radical/gender feminst bigots who are killing all the sports programs for men step forward and demand their equal rights in combat too, or let all know that those big mouthed hypocritical fruads really don't believe in equality between the sexes, just special programs and special privileges for the most privileged, pampered, and irresponsible human beings to ever walk the face of the earth.
Here is a sidewalk in front of a college in radical/gender feminist Sheila Kuehl's district, and yes those dark splotches are authentic wads of discarded chewing gum. Teach Truth!
Sincerely, Ray
Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All the info I'm trying to convery is as the page initially comes up.
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I think women's bodies are more important then men.
Fortunately for everybody else, reality doesn't conform to your opinions, simply because you think them.
You may indeed view women's bodies as more important than men's, but fortunately you do not dictate how important my body is. Only I can do that.
My body belongs to me. Therefore, I and only I can determine how important it is. Just as feminists can scream "Keep your government out of my body!!!!!!" , we masculists can likewise say "Keep your opinions out of our bodies."
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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by Anonymous User on 02:50 PM November 6th, 2004 EST (#15)
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Yes. Either fight feminism NOW or don't complain when the train comes to round you up.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 08:26 PM November 6th, 2004 EST (#25)
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The obvious message that hypocritical, feminazi America is sending to men and women is that women have privileges and rights over their bodies, and that men don't. Men have obligations. Women have choices. Men are disposable. Women are protected.
You've got it right, Ray. This situation must change!
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I agree with this too...I think women's bodies are more important then men...If a lot of Iraq women get killed at this point, how will they rebuild their population later...
Why we do this, here's my explanation....
1. P.R. Reasons: seeing dead bodies of just men in the streets will not cause an outrage as much as it seeing the bodies of women or children. The public just feel more sympathy for a woman or child then a man. It's easier to argue to the public that a dead body of a man was an enemy combatant then that of woman or child to the public.
2. Never-ending War: “If a lot of Iraq women ( and children I add ) get killed at this point, how will they rebuild their population later”. Exactly. This will guarantee a never-ending war with “terrorism”, because we helped to safeguard the future Osama Bin ladens by letting the women and children go. How do you think they are going to feel about the USA if their father, who may or not be a “terrorist”, is forced to stay in that city and is killed. This will be the best way to recruit future enemies of the USA. The ancient Greeks knew if you dared to conquer another country that you better kill/enslave the women and kill the children (young males) in order to prevent future aggression against yourself.
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by Anonymous User on 02:47 PM November 6th, 2004 EST (#14)
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The Vietnam comparisons are going to start flying hard and heavy real soon.
Destroying Fallujah will be seen as Iraq's version of Mi Lai...
Killing the people to "win their hearts and minds."
When the dust clears and the Iraqui "collateral damage" is rudely calculated, (US casualties will be hidden by the usual propaganda) there will arise 100 more Fallujahs, 100,000 more "insurgents." (Fathers and brothers and cousins, and yes, sisters of the slaughtered...)
The US military command appears to be suffering from a self-inflicted lobotomy.
Within a year, we will hear the flutter of the helicopters frantically trying to evacuate under fire the last of the US elites from their rooftop hotels in the Green Zone in Baghdad.
Count on it!
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by Anonymous User on 04:36 PM November 6th, 2004 EST (#20)
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"When the dust clears and the Iraqui "collateral damage" is rudely calculated, (US casualties will be hidden by the usual propaganda) there will arise 100 more Fallujahs, 100,000 more "insurgents." (Fathers and brothers and cousins, and yes, sisters of the slaughtered...)Within a year, we will hear the flutter of the helicopters frantically trying to evacuate under fire the last of the US elites from their rooftop hotels in the Green Zone in Baghdad."
The prophet of doom (above) has spoken, but speaks nonsense, and cowardice. His words bespeak a massive ignorance of the difference between Vietnam and Iraq, and his words are a motivation for the insugents/terrorists in Fallujah. Our Marines deserve better.
Terrorists like those insurgents in Fallujah have been killing innocent civilians all over the world for decades. The bottom line is, "How long will a civilized world allow the bully terrorists to "eat their lunches?"' Personally, I do not want to live under a world dominated by terroist bullies like those in Fallujah. Let us hope that foolish war protesters like the one quoted at top, (and the ones who lost South Vietnam), do not encourage terrorist insurgents to kill more Americans. After all it is men who will foremost pay with their lives as usual.
If the war on terror is not won, those of us left alive will all be rolling along on square wheels and living in caves, among many other undesireable things.
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by Anonymous User on 09:19 PM November 6th, 2004 EST (#26)
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"Foolish war protesters" have not determined that only men shall die... only foolish but powerful U.S. politicians whose sons are well sheltered in Ivy League schools make these rules.
During the Revolt of the American Colonies, the British saw Concord as their Fallujah, and attempted the same foolish solution ... wiping out all the "terrorist insurgents."
How many Falljahs will have to be eradicated to win the "war on terrorism?"
It's a rhetorical question, because the U.S. cannot afford to pay the price.
The Vietnamese were willing to fight for another 300 years if necessary...
The American attention span and tolerance for discomfort is based on the average length of any given TV situation comedy.
History has always been unkind to those who fail to heed its lessons.
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by Anonymous User on 10:26 PM November 6th, 2004 EST (#27)
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"During the Revolt of the American Colonies, the British saw Concord as their Fallujah, and attempted the same foolish solution ... wiping out all the "terrorist insurgents."
Once again you make stupid comparisons between past and present military history.
"How many Falljahs will have to be eradicated to win the "war on terrorism?"
One at the moment, but as many as it takes given the fact that we have no other choice.
"It's a rhetorical question, because the U.S. cannot afford to pay the price."
Yours is a stupid question, considering the price we will pay ad infinitum if we do not oppose terrorism.
"The Vietnamese were willing to fight for another 300 years if necessary..."
They were ready to surrender until the war protesting traitors back in America encouraged them, and cost more American lives, similar to what you are now doing with your comments.
"The American attention span and tolerance for discomfort is based on the average length of any given TV situation comedy."
Speak for yourself and your ignorant loser ilk.
"History has always been unkind to those who fail to heed its lessons."
That's why nobody should listen to you.
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by Anonymous User on 10:51 PM November 6th, 2004 EST (#28)
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It's always dangerous to listen, or not to listen.
Gore Vidal on the current scenario --
"They’ve invested too much time and our blood and our money, but it isn’t going to work. No invader from outside has ever made it in the Middle East. This goes back to the Crusaders and the Kingdom of Acre, which lasted about 200 years and that was the longest time, but things go much faster now. We aren’t going to be there. It’s very simple. How do you pay for it? Are the American people really to be put on short rations? And, meanwhile, we’re running out of oil in the world. There goes the world economy as well as ours. It isn’t going to happen; it’s going to fall apart. The idea is you just whistle and you have an army. They just don’t seem to have any idea of what armies are like and how much they cost, how hard it is to raise one and how hard it is to use one."
Listening is only 49% of the equation.
Learning is the balance of it... the boring, tedious, ruthless nature of history is now about to visit America... the once "new" world.
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by Anonymous User on 10:56 AM November 7th, 2004 EST (#33)
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"It's always dangerous to listen, or not to listen."
It's even more dangerous to take a fatalistic, no solution attitude. It is the terrorists themselves who have relentlessly waged war globally on the free world. The only real breaks we have had have been after hard military strikes against them. Negotiations and resolutions working toward peace in the world do not seem to be of interest to them. Returning to a primitive existence (and the conflict that has gone with that) is certainly not of interest to the civilized world for decades.
Fools in Europe have already tried your attitude of appeasement and rationalization with the Nazi regime of Hitler, and that acquiescence to evil allowed that evil to grow so strong it almost destroyed the world (55,000,000 deaths worldwide - give or take 5,000,000). If we followed your perspective then, we'd all be goose stepping now, or walking into a gas chamber when found "undesirable".
Freedom that is governed by law and is inclusive of all is not without its flaws, but the other options have a far worse history of failure and oppression, including the communist ideology that so many liberal, anti-America Americans embrace.
I honor our brave Marines, and others, who are fighting this day on the front lines of America's war on terrorism, and I denounce as cowards and traitors, those who denounce them. That's just my personal perspective. I also denounce those who exclude so many females from front line combat, while women have so many special privileges and choices that men are denied. I denounce those who heap responsibilities and accountability on men (such as war), while exempting women from the same responsibility and accountability.
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by Anonymous User on 01:56 PM November 10th, 2004 EST (#52)
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I have to go with the second 'anon'.
We are doing what MUST be done, and that is stop the terrorists.
I think it was the second anon who was saying that. Or was it the first?
So confuseing...,
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 09:31 AM November 6th, 2004 EST (#7)
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I did see video of men and boys being escorted out of some place. It was shown in the context of the Fallujah story. I would imagine they were detained, interrogated, etc. as to their activities, ideology, etc.
It is a little disconcerting when you see the same footage used over and over by media outlets to talk about different events/stories in the war in Iraq. The footage I am talking about, I have seen used in other stories.
I would just refer to such reporting as "the fog of journalism."
Let's face it, the hard facts are left out of the overall events and stories of any war are many, and many will never be told.
Ray
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I think that if a man walked out of the city, hands held high, he'd be allowed out. He might be held and questioned (to find out if he's a foreign terrorist fighter), but I can't imagine that they'd turn him back into the city... where he may end up shooting at our guys in self defense.
I have absolutely no data to support that assessment, but it doesn't make military sense to force men into a position where they HAVE to defend themselves against us.
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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by Anonymous User on 02:30 PM November 6th, 2004 EST (#11)
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to get out of the city or into the city. ANY
man under age 45 will be arrested (if not shot
to death)!
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by Anonymous User on 03:48 PM November 6th, 2004 EST (#16)
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After Fallujah no longer exists ...
Our newly un-elected Czar will proclaim yet another "victory against terrorism," and a "bright future for Iraqui democracy."
Mothers and fathers (in Iraq and in the US)will weep.
Surviving Iraqui brothers and sisters will do what any American faced with such tyranny would do...
take up arms against those who killed your family.
It is only because Americans view Iraquis as "less than human... terrorists..." that this slaughter can continue.
Imagine if your own town was targeted as the "bastion of the insurgency..."
Imagine your kid's high school being destroyed by a "precision-guided missile..." when your children are inside learning how to speak English.
This slaughter cannot be justified by any moral or democratic principles.
These people did not bring down the NYC towers on 9/11... they could not have even found them on a map.
And today, their city is being reduced to rubble, their lives being erased for a false sense of US security.
Will you personally feel safer in the morning knowing that Fallujah no longer exists?
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Sign your name, get a "handle", set up an account ...
Or be dismissed as a troll.
Sorry, too many "Anons" have come here and said to much to be taken seriously.
Until then ... you typed all of that for nothing.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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Censorship would be deleting anon posts, or not letting anon's post at all.
What's done here is more like a anonymous credibility gap. Anons don't have any credibility so people tend not to give any weight to what they say. That doesn't mean they're not free to say it.
If you've been on the board for a while and people recognize you... you'll have good credibility.
If you post as anon but always sign your posts and have been here for a while you'll have good credibility.
If you're new but bothered to get an account, you'll have some credibility... people won't tend to ignore your posts.
If you're new and have not bothered to get an account but signed your name... you'll at least be given a fair shot at making a point.
If you have not bothered to get an account and don't sign your name then we don't know you from adam, and anything you say will be looked at with skepticism, assumed to be trolling, or just plain ignored. You'll also tend to see people suggesting you register after just about every post you make.
Just register if you have something of value to add... it's not as painfull as all you anon's seem to think.
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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Will you personally feel safer in the morning knowing that Fallujah no longer exists?
Yes.
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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by Anonymous User on 05:00 PM November 6th, 2004 EST (#23)
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"Our newly un-elected Czar will proclaim yet another "victory against terrorism," and a "bright future for Iraqui democracy."
Dear Sore Loser:
Not a Czar a "President," elected with an approximately 3,500,000 edge in the popular vote and the clear edge in the electoral college.
By the way, now that you've seen Fareheit 911 you should see Celsius 41.11 (the temperature at which the brain begins to die), and FAHRENhype 9/11 and, my favorite, Stolen Honor (Vietnam POW documentary).
Let us all join in praying that the Iraqi insurgents/terrorists will surrender, and participate in the rebuilding of a peaceful democratic Iraq, where a democratic process will be repsected.
While I'm at it, I invite you to participate in the building up of a peaceful democratic America, where the democratic process is respected by those on the left as well as those on the right.
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-coughSourGrapescough-
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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If they're arrested then they're out of the city no? If I were commanding over there I'd be detaining any men coming out of the city too, and I DEFINITELY would detain anyone trying to get into the city.
Personally if I was a noncombatant I'd much rather be arrested and detained for a while than stay in a city that's about to be invaded.
Are you suggesting that US troops shoot civillians on sight? (if you are then you'd be wrong)
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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The bottom line is that men are NOT allowed
to leave the city in order to save their
life, UNLIKE WOMEN! Women can be a terrorist
threat not less than men as we see in Israel,
Russia and other places.
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I agree with you that it sucks, men are definitely being targeted for incarceration.
The problem is that while women do constitute a threat, it's a matter of scope. I suspect that in Iraq, at least 99% of assaults on US troops are carried out by men (probably more like 99.9%). It doesn't make sense for a force with limited resources to waste those resources going after women when they're such a small threat.
There's a young man in our family who's a Marine currently going through MP training, I expect he'll be over there before long. I want him, and all Coalition men fighting in Iraq, to have the absolute best chance of coming home that's possible, and that means efficient application of resources where they're going to do the most good.
It's like airport screening. Screeners can interview at most 1 out of every 8 or so passengers, does it make sense to interview a 60 year old lady or a 20 year old Arab youth. Currently the assenine rules regarding profiling FORCE screeners to waste their time screening that 60 year old lady. If 99 out of 100 times something bad happens it's being done by a certain group (young arab men in this case), forcing impartiality (and thereby SEVERELY limiting the effectiveness of mitigation efforts) makes NO sense to me.
Luckily the military has no forced impartiality, they're allowed to target the troublemakers without regard for what the current Politically Correct thought is on the matter, and in the end it WILL save the lives of our young men.
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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involved in terror than you can see. Planning
a terrorist attack is not a simple job and it
involve many people, including women!
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You may be right, in fact you're probably right... but the people pointing the dangerous end of guns at our family and friends are almost all male, so the best way to keep our family and friends alive is to target those men. Also, the heads of these organizations are entirely male, so the top and the bottom are all men... and that' where the military should focus.
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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Men are not being allowed to leave Fallujah... they're not being incarcerated... they're being turned back.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138376,00.html
Why even bother turning them back... just shoot them and be done with it, this sucks.
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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This is the Bible's take on such matters. At one point in my life I believed that the Bible was "the word of God". I no longer believe that. In fact I would not deem this particular page of the Bible fit to wipe my ass with but here it is for subject interest sake. It is Numbers Chapter 31 verses 7 to 18:
7: And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
8: And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
9: And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
10: And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
11: And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
12: And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
13: And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
14: And Moses was wroth (that is to say he was extremely pissed off)with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
15: And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? (woops, how astonishingly stupid of them)
16: Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
17: Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18: BUT ALL THE WOMEN CHILDREN,(note, the Hebrew word that this is translated from is almost never used in reference to girls over fourteen) THAT HAVE NOT KNOWN A MAN BY LYING WITH HIM (that means virgins if you cannot follow the syntax of Elizabethan English), KEEP ALIVE FOR YOURSELVES (as sex slaves obviously).
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by Anonymous User on 01:44 PM November 8th, 2004 EST (#41)
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I'm no thealogin, by a long shot, so that's why I ask; Does the Bible REALLY say that....??!!??
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Yes it does big guy. I am not a nazi...far from it I am a great admirerer of the Jewish culture and I know that the world would have been a much sadder place without them...they stood alone against the Baalim...but I once read that an unrepentant nazi said after the war that the difference between Hitler and Moses was purely statistical and that Moses had given his men orders that Hitler would have never given the SS. He also said that the Jewish members of the NKVD (the political enforcer branch of the Russian army) routinely did things that the SS would have deemed beneath them.
Thing is, whenever groups of people play musical chairs with war and invasion and displace and disposses people...the only thing that ever seems to stop the cycle of revenge is the genocide of those who were dispossesed. "Civilians"is just a name given to the last of the reservists and partizans and the war is not over till the loosing side says so. This is the sad pattern of history.
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Thundercloud you say you are no theologin, but you are very obviously better connected to the basic goodness of humanity and a respectfull relationship to Heaven and Earth....that is as good as it gets. You are a decent human being ....that is as good as it gets. I am Buddist. I am not a very good example of one because I let my passions make me wrathfull. I am at best a work in progress. But Buddist beliefs are exactly the same as those taught by native elders...of course that is so...there is only on truth and that was written on everyone's heart when they were born. Some people manage to stay connected to it...others loose connection. A great spiritual teacher is never someone who tells you something you do not know, but rather someone who reminds us of things that seem to be easily forgotten. I have this posted on my wall. It was composed by a native elder named Oriah Mountain Dreamer:
The Invitation
It doesn’t interest me what you do for a living.
I want to know what you ache for
and if you dare to dream of meeting your heart’s longing.
It doesn’t interest me how old you are.
I want to know if you will risk looking like a fool
for love
for your dream
for the adventure of being alive.
It doesn’t interest me what planets are squaring your moon...
I want to know if you have touched the centre of your own sorrow
if you have been opened by life’s betrayals
or have become shrivelled and closed
from fear of further pain.
I want to know if you can sit with pain
mine or your own
without moving to hide it
or fade it
or fix it.
I want to know if you can be with joy
mine or your own
if you can dance with wildness
and let the ecstasy fill you to the tips of your fingers and toes
without cautioning us to
be careful
be realistic
remember the limitations of being human.
It doesn’t interest me if the story you are telling me
is true.
I want to know if you can
disappoint another
to be true to yourself.
If you can bear the accusation of betrayal
and not betray your own soul.
If you can be faithless
and therefore trustworthy.
I want to know if you can see Beauty
even when it is not pretty
every day.
And if you can source your own life
from its presence.
I want to know if you can live with failure
yours and mine
and still stand at the edge of the lake
and shout to the silver of the full moon,
“Yes.”
It doesn’t interest me
to know where you live or how much money you have.
I want to know if you can get up
after the night of grief and despair
weary and bruised to the bone
and do what needs to be done
to feed the children.
It doesn’t interest me who you know
or how you came to be here.
I want to know if you will stand
in the centre of the fire
with me
and not shrink back.
It doesn’t interest me where or what or with whom
you have studied.
I want to know what sustains you
from the inside
when all else falls away.
I want to know if you can be alone
with yourself
and if you truly like the company you keep
in the empty moments.
© Oriah Mountain Dreamer, from the book The Invitation published by HarperSanFrancisco,
I cannot immagine you have not heard of her...your spirit is an echo of everything she says. If this is news to you look her up on Google...you will be in for a delightfull suprise. SHE IS ABSOLUTELY STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFULL!!! To me she is living evidence that truth, beauty, quality, excellence, are not matters of oppinion. It is the duty of warriors to defend such things from the persistant persecutors who hunt them out and destroy them.
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by Anonymous User on 07:39 PM November 8th, 2004 EST (#43)
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in the article where it said men and boys aren't allowed out of Fallujah, unarmed.
Does anyone have a source for this claim?
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Look:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story Id=1832133
U.S. Marines in Iraq surrounding the embattled city of Fallujah are allowing women, children and the elderly to flee the fighting with militia forces -- but will not allow military-aged men to leave.
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by Anonymous User on 07:50 AM November 9th, 2004 EST (#47)
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"but will not allow military-aged men to leave."
I heard one TV channel say that men who were not ages 15 to 55 were allowed to leave.
R.
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So? Men between 15-55 died and will die
only because they are men!!!
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CNN has a report from the scene on their website... citizens are being allowed to leave the conflict area, but men travelling with the displaced are being incarcerated.
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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I have a Step Son Lance Corporal USMC, in Fallujah today fighting the Insurgents. I have a Son my oldest an Army Ranger in Afghanistan. I fear that long term the feminization of American Males is weakening our resolve and diluting our Male Instincts. Masculine characteristics are still under assult. Why should we defend a Culture that is actively waging war against our Gender? Public Policy is waging war against us. The Democrats and their allies have succeeded in getting over 250,000 of us incarcerated for being late or behind in child support. Debtors Prison is back but only for Men. We have effectively lost our Constitutional Rights to due process while we are being asked to die to defend this fiasco.
I ask you where are the Children of our Congressmen, and Senators? Why are they absent from the Defense of America? I have lost interest in the American Women who are Hags,Nags,Lesbians, Obese and Money mad. I am ending a relationship with a Prozac Queen and taking my life back.
Fallujah Delende Este!
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