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...as most likely nobody would take up the option to be a male and wear a dress. However, this *is* a valid story, as the stigma of men crossdressing vs. the normality of women "tomboys" wearing boy's tees and baseball caps is kind of scary.
Besides, if nobody were to take up the option, why bother omitting it?
-DeepThought
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to gmail me.
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This really got me interested, as I am one guy who would like to wear skirts and the like. Wht caught me in the article is that in some schools boys can wear dresses bot not in others. What criteria will be used to decide this? To me a boy should be able to wear a dress in any public school (private schools are a different story).
For schools around here (and in your place if they have a similar thing), if I had a son that wanted to wear a dress, but the school wouldn't let him, I have a very clever way of remeding that. Next time the school district has a bond issue (or other election to give the school more funding), organize a "vote no" campaign, and I will guarantee you that will change the administrator's minds. The schools probably wouldn't want to sacrifice much-needed funds over a boy in girl's clothes.
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Sorry for the spelling errors (this is my first time posting on here and I am still getting used to the format of this board!).
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by Anonymous User on 05:50 AM October 16th, 2004 EST (#9)
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Welcome to mensactivism. If you visit Mensactivism regularly for a few months you will learn a great deal about Mens' issues and feminaziism, as I did. I think MANN is possibly the only Mens Studies institution in existence.
Hotspur
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Spelling misbakes!!
Outrageous I say, init.
west...
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I am a newbie, and I posted in the wrong place to begin with. Sorry for taking up so much space, but I am still gettin gused to the format of this board.
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"Gettin gused" should be getting used. Can anyone tell me if there is any way to edit these messages?
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Can anyone tell me if there is any way to edit these messages?
If you want, you can copy the message into your word processor, edit it there, and copy it back before posting. Then again, it might not be worth worrying about. If you're submitting something for archival publication, it may make sense to sweat blood over spelling and grammer, but discussions here, and in most online forums, tend to be pretty casual. I worry a lot about writing things correctly, but if I see I've blown it in an online forum, I try to shrug it off.
Getting your point across is what really matters.
Thomas
-- Creating hostile environments for feminazis since the 1970s.
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This really got me interested, as I am one guy who would like to wear skirts and the like. What caught me in the article is that in some schools boys should be allowed to wear dresses but not in others. What criteria will be used to decide this? To me a boy should be able to wear a dress in any public school (private schools are a different story).
For schools around here (and in your place if they have a similar thing), if I had a son that wanted to wear a dress, but the school wouldn't let him, I have a very clever way of remeding that. Next time the school district has a bond issue (or other election to give the school more funding), organize a "vote no" campaign, and I will guarantee you that will change the administrator's minds. The schools probably wouldn't want to sacrifice much-needed funds over a boy in girl's clothes.
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A good way to think of the latter paragraph is: Which is a bigger distraction-a boy in a dress or dilapitated and/or overcrowded school facilities?
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There is a solution to this minor problem... BRING BACK THE KILT!
I've been toying with the idea of getting one... they look pretty comfortable, and they would definitely make a statement. :)
Then after kilt's are mainstream...
BAGPIPES!!
Scotland shall rise again!
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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Oh they're alright to start with. But they get really, really hot after half an hour indoors (and probably outdoors if you're not in Scotland or somewhere at least as cold). Just be warned... but get one anyway, they look fantastic!
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A little quick on the trigger finger there. :-)
Anyway, I'm with Dave on this one. I wear a kilt fairly regularly -- a couple times a month or more. I'm of Scottish descent, and I play in the local police pipe band.
I wear the band kilt when we're parading or on any official function, but I have my own full kit as well. I can dress casual, semiformal, or black-tie formal in traditional Scottish garb.
It's good looking stuff, and it's pretty comfortable. Any traditional heavy weight kilt is better for cooler weather -- they do keep you quite warm. If you live in a warmer climate, simply get a kilt made of a lighter weight wool. If you want one, go to a reputable kilt maker and have one made for you. Be aware that kilts are pretty expensive; you're probably looking at about $450+. If you're not of Scottish descent and don't have a Clan tartan to wear, pick out a regional one. There may be an official city or state tartan where you live, and I think there's a US tartan. I know that there's a Canadian tartan (the Maple Leaf Tartan), one for each province, and many for various cities and towns. It's probably not as wide spread in the States as in Canada, but there should be something appropriate.
I believe that the kilt should be worn traditionally, and made of traditional materials -- a clan or regional tartan. I confess I don't care for kilts of the style made by 'Utilikilts,' what with all their cargo pockets and in everything from denim to camo. Truthfully, I think they're lame.
Canada has a very strong Scottish heritage, and the traditions are alive and well. Here in Ontario there's a Highland games on nearly every weekend from May to September. I always wear the kilt when I go to games, and occasionally to social occasions as well. There's a few other oatmeal savages in my circle of immediate close friends, and we will often show up at a friend's party in kilts. :-)
Ob. Men's content: when you wear the kilt, you're going to get the usual litany of comments and questions -- and it's usually women who make them. Great opportunities to slip in statements about double standards!
For example, when some broad makes an intended put-down comment like, "Oh, look, there's man in a skirt," or, "so how do like wearing a skirt," I'll respond with something like, "oh, so you thinks it's an insult to be compared to a woman?" They love that one. heh Or, I'll ask her, "Do you know difference between kilt and skirt?" She'll say no, and I'll look her in the eye and say, "Kilt is what you get if you call it a skirt." Then just smile and move on.
The most common question when you're wearing the kilt is to be asked in some way whether you're wearing underwear or not; usually phrased like, "So what do you have under the kilt?" or, "Are you wearing that kilt traditionally?"
There's a million responses to "what do you have under the kilt?" from the humourous to the biting. Some of my favourites are:
Q: "what do you have under the kilt?"
A: "The world's smallest airbase -- two hangers and a night fighter."
A: "A wee piece of string to preserve me modesty."
If it's a guy asking: A: "More than you."
Q, "What's worn under the kilt?"
A. "Nothing's worn. It's all in perfect working order."
Q: "What are you wearing under the kilt."
A: "Just lipstick"
Women are by far the rudest and most insistent with kilt questions, and after a while my patience and good humour thins, and my responses start to swing from humorous to blunt. I've had women walk up to me and reach right under my kilt, or try to lift it up! And they think nothing of it -- like they believe it's their right to behave that way. Things that could land me in jail if I were rude enough to try it.
One chick with a couple of her friends (a total stranger at a pipe band gig) came up and asked me if she could reach under my kilt. I said, "Sure you can, so long I can reach into your shirt." Well, that wasn't gonna happen, and she walked off in a huff. Bu-bye!
Or I'll respond to the "what are you wearing" question with, "You tell me first. Are you wearing any underwear?" I usually get a shocked look for being so bold as to ask such a question. heh She'll be offended so I'll say, "well you just asked me that." "Well that's *different*!" (Where have we heard this before...?
Or, one of my favourites: "I asked my mother once what I should say if a lady asks me what's under my kilt. She told me that a lady wouldn't ask." (Last delivered to a presumptuous bitch at a friend's wedding.)
Ragtime
The Uppity Wallet
The opinions expressed above are my own,
but you're welcome to adopt them.
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by Anonymous User on 12:58 PM October 18th, 2004 EST (#18)
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Ragtime.
Alot of Indian men are up against some of the same kind of nonsense. Like Scottish men who wear kilts, we indians have to put up with alot of the same type of garbage, because of our braided hair, or our loin cloths. (worn at powwows)
First of all I am OBVIOUSLY a man. But alot of women think it's funny to say; "excuse me MA'M." or; "Can I help you ma'm?" when I am in public.
I have only worn a breech-clout (loin cloth) once, but that was here at home no one outside my family saw it. But I have heard other Indians complain that (usualy) women will walk right up to one of us at a powwow and grab our braids or tug on our breech-clouts. I remember being told by another Inian man that at a powwow, a woman walked right up to him and tried to lift up a ceremonial "skirt" that he was wearing.
I have had women MORE than imply that I am GAY, simply because I wear traditional braids, ear rings, and traditional jewelry, all that have special traditional, cultural and even religious significance.
I find it interesting that almost ALL of these women that have implied that I was gay (I am not, BTW) were wearing pants, a shirt ('T' or dress)and some were even wearing sports coats and ties....! Yeah, I'M the one who has gender identity problems. (sarcasam)
No there are NO double standards faced by men. It's ALL on women. (yeah, sure.)
The thing that gets me is that if I (or ANY man, for that matter) walked up and grabbed a woman's braids (let alone raise her skirt) and made snyed comments to her, I would be faceing harassment charges, sexual and\or otherwise.
The hypocricy is mind numbing!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 01:04 PM October 18th, 2004 EST (#19)
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Oh, I forgot to add this.
Russell Means (former leader of the American Indian Movement) said that when ever a woman grabs his braids, breech-clout, or skirt he grabs their breasts, and asks; "How do YOU like it?!?"
I wouldn't do that, myself, but I have to admire his tactics.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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www.utilikilt.com
I found these a couple of years ago. I bought one and I really like it. Admittedly, I do medieval recreation, so I have an arena where it would not be considered weird to wear the thing.
The one I have is more of a twill so it's very comfortable in the summer, and not so much in the winter.
I do like the non-PC choice it does give me if I need to make a point. I would have been really cheesed if my godson was kicked out of his graduation for wearing a traditional greatkilt under his graduation robe. It's just BS these dress codes.
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I agree, the Utilikilts are definatly non-period. Usually I wear the utilikilt is as "field garb" rather than "court garb" along with the occasional "men in kilts" party. The black kilt is the least noffensive of the utilikilts for authenticity violation.
Besides the authenticity mavens usually don't get on your case when there is a white belt holding up the kilt. : )
It'sl a cool piece of clothing that I like though.
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I can't find the article right now, but there was a student that wore a utilikilt to his graduation. He was asked to leave and I believe suspended, for not wearing garments that fit the dress code (oddly enough, no one else that was in violation of the dress code was punished).
The link was on the Utilikilts website, but I can't find it now.
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by Anonymous User on 01:07 PM October 18th, 2004 EST (#20)
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Hmmm.
So in that case they ALSO sent any girls, there wearing pants or neck ties home too, right?
Right?
Right...?
Mmmm...,
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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