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Of course in our matriarchal/feministic society we would have special female doctors (i.e. gynecologists). How come we don't have (this will sound raunchy) 'phallologists' (literally means penis/male-genitals-doctor) or 'andrologists' (men-doctors). Men are becoming more and more at risk for prostate cancer and testicular cancer. Thanks to Mister Lance Armstrong we are paying more attention to male-related cancers.
With men dying earlier than women you would think one would a "rational" society would be more focused on Men's Health.
But Rationality is the very enemy of feminism because it's based on FACTUAL and TRUTHFUL information and reasoning.
And as for these female surgeons being 'turned off' by all of the testosterone in a surgery room, then too fucking bad. Testosterone gets the job done. Sitting around and talking about your feelings when you're supposed to be performing a heart transplant won't save the patient.
Male surgeons get the job done. The male surgeon who repaired my knee when I was fourteen just got the job done without any 'touchy-feely' crap. He went over the surgical procedure like football-play. Short, sweet, and to the point. And he was great.
My new female doctor (assigned to me thanks to my misandrist mother who cruelly replaced my old and wonderful male doctor) does NOTHING but bothers me with touchy-feely bullshit when I go in for appointments. Trying to have 'girl-talk' sessions with me.
Just give me my fucking shots okay!
Male surgeons think with logic, science, and rationale. And if that takes lots of testosterone then fine by me. Women in general have their minds racked with erratic emotions when they're doing anything. As a young woman, I'll admit I have erroneous and irrelavent thoughts racing through my mind when I'm just trying to fall asleep. They're distracting and annoying.
So what if there are more male surgeons. Just more people who are 100% focused on what they're doing. But if there's a problem with an overall dicline in all surgeons then there is definitely a serious problem. And we should encourage everyone to pursue careers in medicine (if they can afford medical school, hell I don't know how I'll pay for law-school).
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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Of course in our matriarchal/feministic society we would have special female doctors (i.e. gynecologists). How come we don't have (this will sound raunchy) 'phallologists' (literally means penis/male-genitals-doctor) or 'andrologists' (men-doctors). Men are becoming more and more at risk for prostate cancer and testicular cancer. Thanks to Mister Lance Armstrong we are paying more attention to male-related cancers.
If I had a problem with my penis/testes/prostate I would go to a Urologist. If it was more of a testes issue (or pancreas, adrenal gland, thyroid, pituitary gland, etc...) I would see an Endocrinologist.
I think the way medicine is structured is:
- General Practioner - Everyone
- Gynocolgist - Women
- Urologists - Men
- Various other specialties
With men dying earlier than women you would think one would a "rational" society would be more focused on Men's Health.
One would think... But you're forgetting one of the tenets of feminism: "Men don't matter."
Male surgeons get the job done. The male surgeon who repaired my knee when I was fourteen just got the job done without any 'touchy-feely' crap. He went over the surgical procedure like football-play. Short, sweet, and to the point. And he was great.
With medicine in general I want to know what's wrong, how the problem is being fixed, and what I need to look out for. I appreciate a certain level of humanity but if we're getting into 'touchy-feely' territory I know I'm getting cheated of information I need to know to make my life less painful!
As surgery goes, this is a matter of life and death! I don't want to die on the operating table because the standards for surgeons were lowered to accomodate women who don't want to be tough enough to be a surgeon. If a general practioner screws up, you suffer and you find a new GP. If a surgeon screws up you either die or suffer much more!
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by Anonymous User on 04:53 PM September 18th, 2004 EST (#4)
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I don't know.
I've had a number of female doctors through out my life, including the present, and most of them were (are) pretty good, really.
Not trying to get a flame war started, I'm just saying my expirience with most female doctors has been no better or worse than with male doctors.
It just depends on that individuals skill and stuff, I guess.
The one problem I HAVE had with a few female docs is that most of them seem aprehensive to give me a full physical, includeing the good ol' rectal exam. Anyone know why that is?
I always tell them; "If you see anything that they didn't cover in medical school, just let me know..."
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Women doctors can be as good as men doctors. In some cases women doctors can be more sensitive, but it all means nothing if they think only their women patients are important or they have to "redress the balance" of supposedly pro-male health practices. In Britain "Well Woman Clinics", special doctors surgeries that address women's overall health get Government funding. There are a few "Well Men's Clinics" which do not get funding.
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by Anonymous User on 01:26 PM September 19th, 2004 EST (#9)
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Which is weird, considering we guys die 7 to 8 years earlier than do women, on average.
appearantly the medical community, on BOTH sides of the pond need to get a few of their priorities straight.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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[Thea turns on the radio and tunes into the campus radio station]
Announcer: Our next song was created by the Women’s Studies Department (in collaboration with the Music Department). It's dedicated to Thea and is titled "Misogynist Woman"
Misogynist woman, stay away from us
Misogynist woman, you fill us with disgust
Don't come hanging around our door
We don't want to see your face no more
We got more important things to do
Than give masculinists their due
Now woman, stay away
Misogynist woman, listen what we say
Misogynist woman, get away from us
Misogynist woman, you fill us with disgust
Don't come knocking around our door
We don't want to see your shadow no more
Full of The Patriarchy’s lies
You sound like you’ve been hypnotized
Now woman, get away
Misogynist woman, listen what we say
Misogynist woman, we said get away
Misogynist woman, listen what we say
Don't come hanging around our door
Don't want to see your face no more
We don't need your misogyny
We don't need phallocracy
Full of The Patriarchy’s lies
You sound like you’ve been hypnotized
Now woman, get away
Misogynist woman, listen what we say
Misogynist woman, stay away from us
Misogynist woman, you fill us with disgust
You gotta go
You gotta getta away
Think you gotta go
You oughta fly away
We’re gonna stop you woman
We’re gonna stop you woman
We’re gonna stop you woman
We’re gonna stop you woman
Bye bye, bye bye
Bye bye, bye bye
Misogynist woman
You're no good for us
And we’re too good for you
Looking at you right in the eye
We'll tell you what we’re gonna do (Misogynist woman)
We’re gonna stop you woman
You know you gotta go
We’re gonna stop you woman (Misogynist woman)
You gotta go (Misogynist woman)
You gotta go
You gotta go
Misogynist woman
Yeah
(With apologies to Lenny Kravitz and Guess Who)
Announcer: Coming up, a campus group urging voluntary castration for men on campus. Better do it now, guys, while you still have a choice.
Also, Aluha Poontang of the Melanesian Lesbian Alliance will discuss her book "The Benefits of Woman/Girl Relationships."
Steve
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LOL!!!
Jeez man. But should any campus start a castration campaign, I'll go on a hysterectomy rampage of all of the campus radical-feminists all over the country. Without providing any painkillers!!!
Fine I'll give them some aspirin.
Hysterectomies aren't that complicated are they? I mean you just go in and a cut here a cut there, rip out...you know, not too hard.
Fine I'll find a pre-med guy to help me.
But hopefully the ego-trip and heyday of radical campus feminists will come to an end and there'll be no castration and no hysterectomies.
But I want a hysterectomy because I hate kids and don't want any. No maternal instincts here.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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Actually, it wasn't that difficult to create the song lyrics. I just Googled "American Woman" and copied the lyrics into Word. Then I automatically replaced "American" with "misogynist," altered a few lines, and voila!
The campus radfems of the early 80s (when I went to university) would be annoyed to know that their misandric rants in the campus newspaper and elsewhere was the beginning of an accumulation of insults that led to my being a men's rights activist.
As for kids, some of them are OK with me, and some are annoying. Like the little brats that whined incessantly at a nearby table tonight when I ate at the Black Eyed Pea. At least the dinner was on the house as the salmon they brought out was raw in the middle the first time, and I did get a replacement meal.
But I digress ... :)
Steve
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by Anonymous User on 01:31 PM September 19th, 2004 EST (#10)
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My uncle used to eat raw salmon.
...and now he's dead...,
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 09:54 AM September 18th, 2004 EST (#3)
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Okay, so there aren't enough women in surgical departments and this makes women not want to join.
Simultaneously, male doctors are just so horrible and oppressive what with their low-level hazing. So women don't want to join because they're not being made to feel like they're equally accepted.
So basically, not only do men have to watch what they say around female surgeons (so as not to hurt their delicate feelings) but they also have to make affirm that women surgeons are equally capable of the job.
But how can you treat women as equals if you also have to walk-around on eggshells because they are too delicate to handle a bit of ribbing?
Seriously. "I'm an equal, so stop treating me like I'm as tough as a man!"
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Here is an article in Tech Central Station amplifying the remarks made by Professor Carol Black a few months ago. Basically, it describes a diminuation in status of fields of endeavor that have been deeply penetrated by women: education, law, legislative, and medicine.
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Combine that article with any of the articles we've seen here about how better educated women continue to insist on marrying more successful men and the reason behind Black's observations is obvious. A generation ago being a doctor, teacher, or a police officer was a good enough profession to attract a mate for a male, now that females are the doctors, teachers and police officers, they're no longer interested in the men who are now their peers.
Its women who are setting these standards for men to live up to. I place the blame for 'lack of prestige' in these converted professions squarely on their shoulders.
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by Anonymous User on 10:26 PM September 25th, 2004 EST (#13)
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Combine that article with any of the articles we've seen here about how better educated women continue to insist on marrying more successful men and the reason behind Black's observations is obvious. A generation ago being a doctor, teacher, or a police officer was a good enough profession to attract a mate for a male, now that females are the doctors, teachers and police officers, they're no longer interested in the men who are now their peers.
I believe that is an additional issue. The article was about the effect of female work patterns on the prestige of formerly male dominated professions; e.g., requirements for shorter hours and more time away from work to care for the family has resulted in reduced productivity and a perceived change in work attitudes, such as higher levels of entitlement versus lower levels of committment to work among surgeons and teachers--occupations that were once more male than female dominated.
Of course it is morally reprehensible to work or accumulate wealth to impress potential mates. Work should be pursued strictly for its own sake, for the sheer pleasure of doing an honest job; the same goes for the accumulation of wealth. So it is wrong to exploit men for their ability to provide for a family, and it is wrong to use one's elevated economic status to raise the bar of reproductive fitness. Men, on the other hand, are more free to choose mates from a wider spectrum of socio-economic status, it would appear.
Generally speaking, economic justice between the sexes will be unattainable until reproductive fitness becomes uncorrelated with economic effectiveness.
Anonymous Coward
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