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J,
If you'll post a message as to where you live a reader in your area may be able to direct you to a nearby fathers organization. (If you arent already in contact with them)
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"If you'll post a message as to where you live a reader in your area may be able to direct you to a nearby fathers organization"
If you have a large list of recommended Father's Orgs in various places, would you mind posting it?
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NFRC (National Fathers Resource center) has state-by-state listings. Membership is free.
http://www.fathers4kids.org
ACFC (American Coalition for Fathers and Children) has a list of chapters and affiliates.
http://www.acfc.org/
These might be good places to start. But Id suggest that visitors to the site might be able to give more specific recommendations if we know where J lives.
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by Anonymous User on 05:03 PM September 13th, 2004 EST (#11)
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by Anonymous User on 05:04 PM September 13th, 2004 EST (#12)
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www.ncfc.net
In Ca these guys are some rather agressive attornies.
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by Anonymous User on 08:49 PM September 12th, 2004 EST (#2)
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This article is very true. I was caught up in the "DV Industry" when my ex used false abuse claims to rid me when she found a woman to replace me with.
I heard the police, the court personal, the probation people and everyone associated with 'the system' say that it is "men like me who batter" -as they obviously have been trained to think that I represent the profile of a batterer.
It seems that the fact that I have no criminal record and that I am professionally employed is a "strike against me" as I represent a dangerous profile. To quote the article: "In reality men who batter are broadly representative of the general population of men, many are solid citizens with no criminal records, no substance abuse history, and long term employment." This idea is getting played out everyday in the DV industry...trust me I know.
As a man it is impossible to even make a case against the allegations against you. Pre-judicial bias is so evident. The judge set bail for gang members who shot off firearms, a car thief, a multiple offense drunk driver, yet not for me. In fact, he glared at me with complete contempt and ordered me locked up for up to 90 days before the trial. What was I locked up for, my ex claimed (without any evidence of abuse) that I abused her - and that she was afraid... Later she provided an old bruise to the court, I now know that the victim witness advocates pushed her to find something so they could attack me with it.
The whole courtroom from the victim advocates to the DA, to the magistrate to the judge were aware of my case before I was even brought into it with shackles on my hands, legs and waist. I realized even if what my ex alleged against me of doing was in fact true, that the whole system was configured to punish me more severly than other crimes simply because it is of the domestic violence variety. DV laws and punishment even when no actual injury occurred are heavy on men. Judges (I think) are afraid to side with men as the industry will tear them down if the 1 in 100,000 cases where the amn actaully does go back and hurt his significant other. All men will suffer as we are all profiled as the aberrant killer, and our past will be used against us whether it is a good one or not.
As much as I wanted to fight the injustice being done to me I had to plead guilty despite the fact that the allegations were all lies. I was losing my job while in jail; I could not let my life and career go down the drain based on bogus vindictive charges.
I found out later that my ex told a mutual friend that she had no idea that the system would come down on me the way it did, yet she still did not retract her lies
I personally know that she is too proud to ever admit fault. She would put me in jail before she ever admitted lying. She previously tried to sue an employer for sexual harassment. It appears that she will let the feminist corrupted courts do her bidding as she works her way through this world.
I was a "prize fish" for the system. An upstanding well off man. The local newspaper even ran a generic "day in court" story about the local courthouse- yet this day in court was only about my case. As my case wasnt news worthy as no harm was done, the DV
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Can you guys contact Glenn Sacks or another expert in the public eye who can support you?
bg
Men are from EARTH. Women are from EARTH. Deal with it.
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Christianity is the problem, not only there is a strong correlation between juedeo-christian values and the explotation of males, like there is between puritanism and represive sexual laws, sexual harassment and rape shield laws, non existent in non protestant christian countries, but i almost convinced that feminism does not exist at all.
Feminism is just a disguise for Christians to legalize punishment for certain male behaviors that would not been accepted under religous grounds.
The Christian moral tradition, this despising of the body and its evil pleasures of the flesh. The lures of Satan! The Christians basically incorporated this Platonic idea into their doctrine along with the rest of Plato and his mind-body dualism. In the Phaedo dialogue especially, Plato made clear that the lustful body is the source of evil and corruption, and that its pleasures are dirty temptations to the pure soul, and can only weigh it down. The soul aspires to separation from the loathsome flesh.
This despising of the body and its pleasures, such as sex, which Christianity has traditionally made into a sinful and guilty act, is still with us today.
Sex is as natural and necessary as eating, and yet, Americans have this strange obsession with it. I believe this stems mainly from the fact that sex is a forbidden and dirty act in Christianity, America's religion.
People who like sex are immoral. Men who desire women other than their wives are immoral, even though they are genetically programmed to desire them.
Christians view women as sweet, weak, dim, infantile and needy of protection under all circumstances. Meanwhile regard every single man in the universe as a potential rapist, and every woman alive as essentially honourable and incapable of evil.
Now lets think about it, Christian detest that people have sex before marriage, fascist as they are, thye are not happy enough to be free to apply those values on their own lives, they would like to force everyone to do as they do, how could they punish people for having sex before marriage?, obviously not under religious grounds, so may be pretendind to protect some vulnerable human beeings, women?.
The redifinition of rape to include almost all sort of sexual interactions with a man that women may regret any moment is not really just a christian punishment to men that has sex before or outside marriage?. What about sexual harrasment laws?, are really feminsts trying to spoil relationships between men and women or christians punishing any sexual related activity outside marriage?. What about pornography or prostitution, on wich ground is banned or tried to be banned?, not religious ones, they do not say it is sinful, it is becouse somehow it debase women, it portraits women as objects, etc, etc, you see is the feminists that are against it not the christians.
People who like sex are immoral. Men who desire women other than their wives are immoral, even though they are genetically programmed to desire them.
Could it be that the punitive laws of divorce are just a punishment for desire women other than their wives?. what about child support?, why married people are not telled by the christian legal system how many hours must they work to support their children and sent to prision if they do not, (child support), but divorced or never married people yes?, Coincidence again?, i donīt think so.
How many christians claim that men are not cannon fodder, (that is, not only boys must defend their country)?, NO ONE!!, they just say: " a man gotta do what a man gotta do", how many christians says that women must work for a living, or to support their children as men do?, how many feminits? none, coincidence?.
Fascists Christians has made that possible and legal, maskinging it as womenīs rights, feminism is just a disguise, they have made that laws palatable to women to obtain their support, turning the punissment of the "evil" males into profit for women. Women are given the right to profit from the slave labor of males, (child suppor and alimony), are given the properties stolen from men and their children, so the misery of men is the joy of women, all political support lost creating a new class of slaves is compensated by the support of the new class of parasites. Meanwhile the "good" christians remain flawless, untoched by those laws. Arenīt they smart?, yep, arenīt they compasionated with their fellow human beeings?, yas much as Hitler with jews.
Are the same judges that take children from men, put them in prision, steal their properties, and force them into slave labor, the same judges that one see praying at the churches on sunday?, are the legislators that one can see praying on those very same christian temples the ones that passes the laws that bring all this misery to men?, coincidence again?, i donīt think so.
"Fathers 4 Justice (F4J) scaled new heights at the weekend, clambering up scaffolding around York Minster to disrupt the Church of England's General Synod.
Dressed as monks, nuns and vicars, they invaded the proceedings as well as unveiled the apt message "In the name of father" on a massive banner. They say the church does not care at all about fathers rights"
There is more:
The Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, has branded the government's penal policy "scandalous".
The Church of England's General Synod voted to accept a report calling for prison to be used as a last resort. Dr Williams condemned the government for overseeing a massive rise in the female prison population.
Men however are just prision meat for this Christian. Rare or just coherent?, christians does not give a shit about men, men are just objects, not human beings.
Christians view women as sweet, weak, dim, infantile and needy of protection under all circumstances. Meanwhile regard every single man in the universe as a potential rapist, and every woman alive as essentially honourable and incapable of evil.
In countries with juedeo-Christian values men are not people, are not human beings, thats way they ignore their suffering, their property violated sistematically, their reproduction rights not even recognized, their children stolen, their health neglected, etc, etc. Men are just providers, not human beings, just providers, that is slave labor, ofcourse they are also very handy cannon fodder when necessary, they are taught to accept this from the very same craddle, at the schools , at home, on the media and aboveall on churches.
And who is responsible of all this male misery?, feminists?, bullshit, the very same judeo- christians legislators, judges, busnissmen that makes the laws, apply them and control the media, the very same people that knows that those laws do not apply to them becouse they are "good" people, never had sex before marriage, think their wives will never divorce them, etc, etc.
However litle by litle, one by one their lives are going to the tube too, they do not realise that the foundation of marriage do not exist anymore, women do not need to be supported by men, they are allowed to work, and marriage does gives absolutely no single legal right to men. If men are punished for divorcing women are rewarded, so less marriage and more divorce will keep on its pace but now accelerated, they are the ones that ultimately will be most punished by the very system they have created, as they usually marry non working women, with traditional values, traditional only regarding rights of women not obligation, the todays standar relationship, women parasites men slaves.
Sumarizing:
For feminits rape laws, sexual harrasment laws, child support, alimony, marital properties, is BUSINESS, for christians PUNISHMENT for "evil" men, so men that do not conform with christian values lost their properties, are forced into slave labor, their children stolen, and sent to prision. Different reasons, same objectives.
Christian have turn punishment of men non conforming with their values a bussines for women, in order to gain their support, women rights, feminism, bullshit just christian fascism, AM I WRONG?.
However, the more i think about it, the more i am convinced that feminist is just a smoke curtain, not even an opportunistic group, feminists is nothing but a disguise for christian fascists to make possible to use the legal system to punish non christians.
May be thats why the very same symbol of christianity and the values that represent is an agonizing male nailed to a piece of wood.
JUST A THEORY, BUT QUITE COHERENT I THINK.
Take Care!!
PD: That feminist and traditionalist men were two sides of the same coin is something i have seen very cleary many years since, but this new approach, that feminism does not exist at all, and is just a disguise of fascists christians is something that i have been meditating lately.
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I think you are right to see the links between christianity and feminism. Feminism has almost always been dominated by conservative middle-class women, and it does embody many puritanical christian values. The irony is that feminists have managed to persuade a lot of people that their movement is progressive and liberal, when much of the time it is the opposite.
The thing about feminism is that it is completely opportunistic. Feminists tends to exploit whatever is going in order to pursue their own goals. If Christianity is respectable they will be Christian, as in the 19th century. They were in favour of war during World War 1(http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWfeather. htm), they were members of the KKK in the 1920s (see 'Women of the Klan', Kathleen M Blee), they were involved with fascist movements in the 1930s, they were Marxists in the 1960s and 1970s, they were anti-nuclear pacifists in the 1980s. They will use whatever is going in order to promote themselves, and they have been involved in a lot of unpleasant things.
However, they tend to alter it to suit their own ends. As you say, Christianity has always been unhappy with human sexuality and has campaigned against the sins of the flesh. However, with feminists, it is only male sexuality which gets this treatment; female sexuality is good. They are waging a war against men and anti-sex puritanism is just 'available discourse'; it is just another stick they can use to beat men with, and because it is a familiar idea, even regarded as respectable, no-one will object. Look at their attitude to pornography. Any pornography used by women or gay men is fine, it is only pornography used by straight men which they object to. The sins of the flesh are OK as long as women commit them.
Feminism=Fascism : Get Wise to the Lies
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by Anonymous User on 05:02 PM September 13th, 2004 EST (#10)
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The bolth of you are ignorant of christianity or you yourself have some of the disorders about christianity that you attribute to christianity!!!
The reason men are called upon to lead is because 9 out of 10 We are the only ones capable and I for one am sick of the cry babies on this site! Stand up and be a MAN That's right The Classic Man!! O' I can hear your cries ( don't tell me what a man is ) What nothing's real! No standards ! what bis a man ???? Anything !! ?? Well now that sounds just like the fem's!! Christianity is not the problem!! DO NOT JUDGE A PHYLOSOPHY BY IT'S ABUSE !!!!
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by Anonymous User on 05:18 PM September 13th, 2004 EST (#13)
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Stand up and be a MAN That's right The Classic Man!!
You are right to be offended by the fascist anti-christian remarks made by the two previous posters. I found them to be extremely ignorant.
However, Christianity is not without guilt in helping to provide billions in favor of the current feminist oppression of males. They routinely use the ideology of "chauvinism" to justify their oppression of males while ever raising the level of special privileges for women.
Now. Since you know so much about what it means to be a male....please enlighten us...without yelling, screaming, making wild assertions, and etc.
Warble
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"You are right to be offended by the fascist anti-christian remarks made by the two previous posters."
Did it on pourpouse, sometimes people must be shaked and offended to react.
"However, Christianity is not without guilt in helping to provide billions in favor of the current feminist oppression of males. They routinely use the ideology of "chauvinism" to justify their oppression of males while ever raising the level of special privileges for women. "
That is a reality, but men should ask what would be faster to improve their situation, trying to fix a society, based on judeo-christian values, (if that is possible, may be is dammaged beyond repair), or get rid of it and embrace a new one.
What Islam has achived in Canada, would not have been achived by men rights activist in a zillion years, in fact a fairer law is ruling now in Europe as well, the Sharia law, they are not legally binding still, although is the facto law , as there are very, very uninformal pressures to accept it.
After Canada, (the bastion of feminism, lol, ; -) on their kness under some stubborn men), soon will be binding in France and UK just wait, is binding already in Belgium, in UK the number of British Muslims praying at mosques has outstripped the number of regular worshippers in the Church of England, the mother church of the Anglican communion, which covers 160 countries, a mass-circulation British daily reported.
boomer!!, Chirac said he knews the future of France is the islam.
In all contries the elections are very closed, who can afford to upset 10% percent of the voters?, even the pro-feminits goverment of Spain has made islam along catholic mandatory as a subject for children that chose religion, how is that?, becouse muslims are now 6% of the voters and each year 300,000 more muslim migrants, so long so good, one way or the other the mistreatment of men is comming to an end.
So pro-feminist goverment are also pro-islam how can be explained?, how can be coherent?, easy, people that are under the Sharia law and have islamic values are out of the reach of feminist laws, the feminist laws keep on ruling but not on those people, so the feminits can rule as always, and the muslims enjoy the show, prrety much as the married christians men feel, wrongly save and untoched from the carnage of feminism, their wives can divorce them whenever they want, and they will become pray of the very same feminist laws they passed or helped to pass.
What about the guys that are under the christian values and laws?, well, more and more realize that is absurd all the strugle to change the laws, when the only thing they must do to protect them is to chose the right side, take cover under the islam, and let women and men on the other side ruin and destroy their lives.
Just an opinion, but may be western values and western societies are too rotten, is better let them die, besides who cares?, each time less and less men, i can assure you.
Take Care!!
PD: I studied in catholic schools, my mother is catholic, my father is catholic, all my family was rised as catholic, and as time passes and things develope, more and more disappointed, even ashamed of them.
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I agree, Christianity is not feminism, it is being used as a tool. Anything can be used as a tool, and what is done with that tool is not necessarily a good metric of the value of that tool. I could use a drill to wack someone in the head with, but that doesn't mean that is what it was for or if that was all it could be used as.
If you actually read the bible, the social roles balanced fairly well. Men faced more dangers in in defending their families and societies, but also had more power and control-they were leaders of the family. Women lived in a safer but more limited world and childbirth was much more risky than now, and they gave back complete nrturing and caring for all of the family including the husband.
We would be foolish to lay modern feminist thinking over 2000 year old writing. Being in control is not being dominant. It means being a good leader. Accepting that leadership does not mean victimhood, it means accepting a form of well intentioned guidance. It is feminists who have twisted this into something oppressive, which therefor renders it an effective tool.
I will not put Christianity onto feminism, no matter how the feminists try to manipulate it.
The Biscuit Queen
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"If you actually read the bible, the social roles balanced fairly well."
AGREE!, i even said that in a former post, but what says the bible, or what was christianity, has nothing to do with what represents christianity, and how christian see and treat men and women, and their roles in society now.
Female priests as an example or the new female Pope, the super nun, lol, you see, they have nothing to do with wht tehy once were.
About feminits using christians, i think is exactly the other way, besides christian leaders are much wiser than feminits.
The point is men under judeo-christian values are treated as second class, the laws and politics regarding family is so rotten that the West is diying out, millions of muslims enter each year Europe, their treatment of men and family can not even compare, as a result muslims living in the west are also more prolific, they have become a minority so powerful that has been allowed to use their own laws and values regarding family, divorce, custody, etc.
Wich would be exactly the same as if pre-nups were binding and the judges will not mess their rotten noses on them to declare them void.
If they are powerful now, they will be more and more as time passes, politicians know it, that is why they give them, even more share than they should by the actual numbres, imigration can not be stoped as fertility rates plummet, or old people will have to look for food on the trash cans, fertility rates will never recover becouse the laws of judeo-christian societies, are laws of death, they have criminalised fatherhood.
On the other hand islam becomes more and more attactive for locals, men can chose now between feminism-christianity or islam, the prove is that every year 50,000 french convert to islam while churches are closed every week.
Germany has a population of 100 million it will be 73 million in 20 years, and this is just becouse arround 20 million turkish will migrate to Germany, if not they would be arround 50 millions, child support among other things are the cause, the very same words: child support, make me shiver, they are the cancer of western populations, the idea of paying to have childrens is nauseating, paying to have children in countires that are dying out, is total madness!!, how utterly retarded are some people.
Christianity was one thing but now is another thing, as the attitude of christians towards men, christians are digging their own grave, the result of that lack of interest on males problems is the death of christianity.
Take Care!!
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by Anonymous User on 10:28 PM September 13th, 2004 EST (#21)
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I sent the Pastor from my church (Lutheran) to another church where the Chief of Police of LAPD (then Bernard Parks) and a news caster from a local TV station were putting on a seminar about domestic violence. Pastor made the mistake of announcing the event in church so I had a long talk with him.
I gave my Pastor a list of questions to ask, but he only got to ask one. That's all they'd allow in the indoctrination session. He picked this one, "What is the percentage of domestic violence committed by men?" The Chief of Police got up in the church and said, "95% of domestic violence is committed by men. Later I showed my Pastor documents I got from Dr. Charles Corry's web site that were official LAPD arrest records by sex for domestic violence over several years. 85% of the arrests were men and 15% were women. I went on to explain how domestic violence is a pet program of women's studies, women's commissions, etc., and that the number of male victims was really higher. I later showed him arrest records of the state of CA for 1988 to 1998 with similar results.
At one point he stopped me and said, "The Chief of Police stood up in God's house and lied about Domestic Violence?" He was stunned at seeing what I was showing him.
I could go on discussing how domestic violence law (and Christianity) for a long time, but I think I'll just let that be my input for today. I'm tired.
I do plan to go to another church I know (Presbyterian), where people "are open" to the truth about social problems and "talk" with them. Some churches like some people aren't really something you want to be invovled with, but some churches just don't know, yet are not oppossed to learning the truth about what goes on in people lives in society, the injustices they experience. A lot of times it's the individual church that's biased or understanding, but some denominations I will not darken their door.
This other church I'm talking about I've gone to several times, and the last time I went a female pastor spoke from the pulpit and a lot of her sermon was about political correctness. She was light years up to speed with what is happening to men and women and families in todays society. I was amazed. I really need to have a chat with that lady some time. She wasn't painting from the feminist perspective either. She was nailing what goes on in that camp.
I don't mince words with my fellow Chirstian brothers and sisters, you see I'm of German decent, Lutheran background. I know who Bonhoffer was (Pastor who stood up to Hitler and was executed). My cousin, the 2nd Lt., was killed somewhere in France serving with General Patton. 88 got him.
When bringing up the topic of feminism, for conversation openers I often like to bring up the 4 Reichmark coin with the Potsdam Garrison church on it (and a swastika on either side of the 1933 date) and ask them, "At what point does grace become an excuse for an acquiesence to evil, to Nazism, to radical feminism?"
click The Day of Potsdam
click the coin - 3rd row down
Men in the Western world today are suffering miserably under the bootheel of much injustice and oppression and many churches are not up to speed with what is happening to their congregants.
Being asleep at the wheel in regards to knowing the destructive societal forces that are hurting the "sheep," the congregation is not a new thing for the church, especially when insidious radical feminist intentionally target the church for exploitation, and destruction of patriarchy.
Some churches are starting to wake up, others are already off the road.
Ray
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There is no female Pope. The Pope is Catholic, and the Catholic Church, so demeaned by feminists for it's inability to change, has actually stood up for themselves. They are no tool for feminism.
Men under feminism are treated poorly. I would NOT call the values today Judeo-Christian.
Christianity is as it always was, following the word of Jesus. Right now it is being perverted, but this is a social perversion, not one fundimental to what Christianity means.
Islam has the same problems Christianity has, which is the seepage of feminism.
I refure to start labeling the worlds problems with religious terms. These are political problems. The very fact that Christianity is struggling tells you it is not part of feminism, or it would be thriving right now. Christianity stands against all feminism stands for, which is why the feminists are waging a war.
I actually started turning back to the church when I realized just how bad things have gotten. They are the only one's who have the guts to stand up to the feminists.
The Biscuit Queen
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Good that you tell this particular case, it helps to ilustrate what i was saying, about the general attitude toward men.
Men in juedeo-christian societies are denyed the most basic human rights, reporduction rights none, property rights denyed, are used as slave labor and cannon fodder , besides those flagrant violations, men pay more taxes, receive less services from the state and have laws that imprision huge ammounts of them, if that would be done to other groups, like jews, blacks it would not be tolerated, to women would drive people crazy.
While this is happening, christian churches do nothing, absolutly nothing, (with some exceptions as you said), they even collaborate with those flagrant human rights violations.
Men who are suffering miserably, only listlen in the media about women problems, and churches just tell them, to be a man, to play their traditional roles has always, without any of the traditional priviledges, women are given custody of children but men must support them, women musīnt obey or serve men, but men must support them, women vote but just men go to wars, etc, etc.
When men listlen to churches to see what they are telling about custody, sending women to wars along with men, or telling women to work for a living and support their children, they hear nothing, well yes, they hear that men must provide for women, support their children,(without custody rights, deciding how much and in what his hard work money will be spent, no even a choice of becoming a father), and protect the country.
Responsabilities without rights is slavery, and that is what men can listlen from churches, nothing else, they tell men that they are slaves, and must no even complain, the only remedy they offer to improve their status is to be a docile and good serf, a real man, take it like a man, (be debased, let women walk all over you and do not complaiin), so you will receive preferential treatment, that remainds me the sonderkomandos of Nazi Death camps, (jews that collabarated with the nazis doing the most dirty jobs, like cheating the new commers to go to the gas chambers docile like sheep, or collecting the bodies just afterwards, in return they had double share of food, and some wine).
This afternoon i took a walk arround my city and is full of imigrants, 10 years ago they were almost non, it was very rare to see a black person for example, there were no mosquites in my town, now we have plenty, and one of the biggest of Europe down town, (mosquits i Erupe, would have been science fiction 20 years ago, a joke), each year 500,000 migrants come to my country, 300,000 of them are muslims, you go to a school and half the children are from latinamerican or african origins,(the future), there are also plenty of local men that are married to african, brasilian, cuban and other latinoamerican women.
I can see this everyday, what christians do not realize is the lag of their poilcies, when they will start to scratch their heads and say: " may be we were wrong, may be men are also woman beings", by then, there would be to late, the only ones attending their churches would be 60 y.o people.
I used to get mad about the situation, every time i saw the types of news that are posted in this forum, i saw those, then listlen to the church and hear the same shut up!, be a man!!, wich translates into men have no intrinsic value, only women and children have, just provide and protect, provide and protect, provide and protect, the same mantra, women and children, women and children ...........in return of NOTHING.
Then i reached a point in wich i saw it clear, it is a waste of time, christianity has become a feminists religion, female priests in England and the Super Nun sort of a female Pope in Rome is a clear indication, this shows wich path they have chosen, the death path ofcourse, so long so good, it is what they deserve.
Compare this with islam, it is not fragmented in many, many churches, there are only two branches, and their values are strong and clear, the Sharia law regarding custody, property and wage rights of married and divorced men are exactly the same, chilvary never existed there, the women good, man bad attitude unknown. A child is the fruit of a man's seed, so it belongs to him, period, end of the cuestion. Dogmatic?, but who cares it works, that is all men need to know.
What we got is two different set of values, judeo-Christain and Islamic, a dying society and healthy one, some may wonder if islam will work in technollogically advanced soiieties, it does work, the prove is in the huge islamic comunities of the west they are ruled by the same principles regarding menīs family and property rights. In the west men only have family financial responsabilities and property liabilities, women collect the goodies, the normal outcome between parasites and their slaves, slaves labor and parasites get the fruit of that labor, the classical provide and protect taught to male slaves since almost conception in judeo-christian societies. Nice!! you are pregnant, oh wonderful!!, what are you going to have a provider or a human beeing?, do know yet, ;-).
If one is a member of a club that is always debasing you, always exploiting you or doing nothing to stop it, one can try to show them that they are wrong, that they should change, and be fair, but one day a new club arrive to town, there people like one is wellcome, their numbers are growing the old club is having problems to pay the electricity bill, becouse there are less and less members, some of them die others leave.
They no even change their attitude towards you, they worsen it, (The super nun for example), at this point what a useless wast of time, staying one`s old club trying to change things, just leave and join the new one.
Men in the west are tired and full in dispair trying to improve their status, and it only get worst, and worst, it take tons of strugle to improve things just a litle, how much easier would be to embrace a different culture that respects men.
For a french men for example is much easier to convert to islam, go Africa find a muslim wife or two, and other from Indonesia for example, and let female locals die childless, and pay taxes for the school and health care of HIS children, let her have her super nun, and in couple of generations feminism and christianity would have all gone down the tube.
Why strugle with local woman, trying to change their man hating attitude?, why bother to change judeo-christian atittudes towards men?, there is an alternative, a new club is open now, besides is too late, al least for Europe. men can chose now, different laws, different women and attitudes toward men, different values, or put up with the same shit, same man hating women , and churches.
You say churches can change and are changing, well this is good, but i am afraid is too late, what has been done and is being done to western men will not be forgotten in may generation, if men are now feel outraged, wait when all the media bias dissapears and men get to know the truth, there will be enraged, i do not think they will accept excuses and come back like docile sheep to the same churches again, just in case there are any of those chuches by then.
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Your passion is obvious, but I don't think you are responding to what I wrote. You are writing about everything that is in your head. I think you are muddying the waters by putting a lot of subjects (religion, politics, feminism, immigration, bigotry, family courts, etc.)into one post. It is hard to follow and I cannot say I agree with you because much of what I hear is either not understandable or seems to me bigotted towards certain people. If you want me to respond clearly, please try to do the same. If you don't care, then I will just not respond anymore. I think you have a lot to offer, it is just hard to know exactly what by your posts. Passion with direction is more effective than passion spewed out everywhere.
The Biscuit Queen
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"There is no female Pope. The Pope is Catholic, and the Catholic Church, so demeaned by feminists for it's inability to change, has actually stood up for themselves. They are no tool for feminism."
I live in a catholic country, Spain, only 2% of the population attend church compared to 6% that go to mosquits, but still if asked people lot of them will tell that they are catholic,(wich is false as they support divorce, or are divorced, use condoms, read the horoscope, etc, etc, they no even know the rules of their own religion, ;-), lol), some will tell they are atheist. So i know that there is a female Pope equivalent, they are dissaperaing, they are scared, they have seen the church of England accept female priests and they "had" to do something to show "progress".
Read:
Vatican appoints woman to senior post
The Vatican has appointed a nun to the number two position in one of its departments, the highest position held by a woman within the Church's hierarchy.
Pope John Paul II appointed Italian Salesian Sr Enrica Rosanna, 65, also called the "super nun" to the post of under-secretary of the Congregation for Consecrated Life.
The department is responsible for Catholic religious orders and congregations around the world.
"This is an opportune and necessary nomination," commented Fr José Maria Arnaiz, Secretary General of the Union of Superiors General. "It responds to the importance of the role of women and to the necessity that there be room for them in the important decision making processes of the Church and not only in the theological areas."
In March, the Pope appointed a US woman professor, Mary Ann Glendon, to head a Vatican academy, the first time a woman had chaired such an important post within the church.
....Catholic Church, so demeaned by feminists for it's inability to change, has actually stood up for themselves. They are no tool for feminism."
Knowledge is power, so here you have more power:
Leaders of Catholic orders say Vatican can't bully them
Dallas Morning News ^ | 8/22/2004 | Susan Hogan Albach
FORT WORTH The 1,000 leaders of U.S. Catholic religious orders meeting at the Fort Worth Convention Center on Saturday said that following Jesus simply didn't mean being dutiful mouthpieces for the Vatican or the American bishops.
Rather, they urged one another not to allow the church to be hijacked by seemingly dictatorial pronouncements by a conservative hierarchy. Be bold, prophetic and, when necessary, even defiant, they told one another.
"A lot of religious communities have concerns about speaking out because they fear the Vatican or their bishops will sanction them," said Sister Carol Beckermann, a Franciscan nun from St. Louis. "We can't let that intimidate us any longer."
The leaders were from the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, which represents 73,000 U.S. nuns, and the Conference of Major Superiors of Men, which represents 2,000 priests and brothers belonging to male religious orders.
The organizations represent the majority of religious orders in the United States, which have seen dramatic drops in membership since the 1960s. The groups tend to be progressive theologically. Only a few sisters wore traditional veils, and almost none of the men were cloaked in clerical garb.
(Excerpt) Read more at dallasnews.com ...
"Christianity is as it always was, following the word of Jesus."
You mean the Spanish Inquisition represented the word of jesus?, or the mass murder of american natives, by catholic spanish, and portuguese and english protestants. Yep they were wrong, any ways they called themselves christians.
By the way Isabel the queen of castilla, responsible of the creation of the Santa Inquisición was cannonized last year by the Pope, now she is a saint, i guess it was all about love, misericordy they were just saving their souls, while butchering and torturing them.
"Right now it is being perverted, but this is a social perversion"
Now is completly rotten, beyond repair.
"Islam has the same problems Christianity has, which is the seepage of feminism. "
The difference between the treatment of men under the islam values or under judeo-christian values, is the difference of treatment between jews and arians during Nazi germany.
"I refure to start labeling the worlds problems with religious terms. These are political problems."
Religions are a set of values, those set of values impreganate societies and can be seen and noticed, in every area, the media, the law, peoples attitudes, etc, etc. It is not concidence that in puritan countries is were there are the more repressive laws against sex, and is no coincidence that in countries were their set of values, accepted divorce as a natural thing, divorced men has custody rights and property rights, read islamic countries, while in countries were this was not admitted, catholic countries, or badly regarded, protestants, divorced men are forced into salve labor, their properties stolen, and their children taken away.
It is obvious in societies with judeo-christian values men are second class, not in countries with different set of values like the islamic ones. I guess that is why muslim depise western values so much, no wonder million of western men find them repugnant too.
Just see if there is correlation between the status of men and the percentage of population that attend church in a certain country, that is the influence of christian values on that society, see several contries an see how many men are jailed, how high are the punishment for not paying child support, (if there is child support), the percentage that is payed, if it is capped or not, the percentage of men assets stolen and given to women after divorce, rape laws, sexual harassment laws, sentencing for sexual crimes.
You will find that there is a strong correlation
between the misery of men and the influence of christian values, the more people attend christian religious services in a certain country, the more debased are their men.
Just to finish i always found worderfull the message of Jesus, but i am afraid this never ever has represented chritianity, nor it does now, nor will do.
It started at the very beguining, chritianity was legalized by Emperor Constantine in return for their consent to slavery, not a very promissing start, from there on to the crusades, Spanish inquisition, the support of medieval priviledges of nobless classes , "king By the grace God " , the extermination of the whole population of a continet, America, the support of ruthless Dictatorships, Pinochet, Argentina or Franco in Spain wich had concentration camps too, were 200,000 people died, and so on, so on, so on.
So compared to all this, that some million men in the west are forced into slave labor, their children taken away and their properties stolen pales, is nothing, a year ago i read i Angry Harry a new about a USA senator that wanted to buid sort of concentration camps for deadbeat dads, and you know i will bet my house that he is one guy that regulary goes to the church every sunday.
"I actually started turning back to the church when I realized just how bad things have gotten. They are the only one's who have the guts to stand up to the feminists."
Thatīs how it is, christian depise men, the things that are done to men would no even been dreamed about women without punishment, that shows the utter comptempt they have for men.
So it is about values,and religion are just that, a set of values, men must acknowledge how they are considered under judeo-christian values and compare with other set o values, religious or not.
Take Care!!
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I think you read a post that was an answere to Ray, thats why the condfusion.
Take Care!!
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by Anonymous User on 07:29 PM September 14th, 2004 EST (#29)
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Men in the Western world today are suffering miserably under the bootheel of much injustice and oppression and many churches are not up to speed with what is happening to their congregants.
Well said Ray. You are right that 99% of churches today have no idea how feminism has seized control of the government. They are all looking in the other direction while they laws get changed every day to become more socialist. Then they whine and complain about their loss of freedom. But get this.... When asked they have no clue WHICH FREEDOMS ARE LOST!!!!!
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 07:34 PM September 14th, 2004 EST (#30)
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It is hard to follow and I cannot say I agree with you because much of what I hear is either not understandable or seems to me bigotted towards certain people.
You are right. His posts are loaded with anti-christian fascism, which is confused with feminism, and then he touts a religion to save men's rights. Like that'll happen. Islam is millions of times more bigoted against men's issues than any christian religion. That is why Islam nation make no enlightened progress, and live in the dark ages....literally. They are in fact thousands of years behind in the civil rights war.
Warble
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"His posts are loaded with anti-christian "
Well it is rather anti-traditionalists, traditionalists supports male traditional role while female one is not beeing played a long time ago, but the source of men problems is not any set of traditional values, but some specific ones, christian ones.
About fascism, i never metion how christians should live their lives, if they must divorce or not, have sex before marriage or refrain from it, it is up to them, sadly christians coerce or try to coerce everyone into living as they think correct, for example, if the catholic church would not be the pathetic shadow of what it once was in Spain, cotraceptives would be still now forbiden in my country, you see this is fascism, and religions are very good at his as history teachs us all.
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by Anonymous User on 02:29 PM September 15th, 2004 EST (#36)
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...sadly christians coerce or try to coerce everyone into living as they think correct...
Pure bullshit! They may evangelize, advocate, proselytes, knock on the door, or whatever, but we sure as hell don't have a country where Christians are able to use coercion to force membership.
These statements are nothing more than a few secularists trying to vilify every Christian and make them defined as evil because they simply go to church. It is these same secularists that have supported Marxist-Feminism in attacking males.
This attack against Christians in no way addresses men's issues. It is little more than hate.
Warble
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"Stand up and be a MAN" you mean convert to islam don`t you?, men in countries where the islam rules lead, and are respected, even in the ever growing communities in the west despite the fact of the anti male christian laws, do men in christian societies lead? yeah the taxi women take to go shopping mey be.
"The Classic Man!! , i see a man gotta do what a man gotta do, the classical cannor fodder and slave that submissive accepts their destiny as serfs of women. It seems the classical man will be seen only in history museum in couple of decades, along christians.
No wonder why only in France every year 50.000 people convert to islam, islams respects them, christian tells them, be a man, pay child support, accept that your house is stolen and your children taken away, but do not forget to pay more taxes than women, receive less from the goverment in any area, and be some ready to use war slave. With such a lovely attitude toward men is atonishing that churches get emptier and mosquits full packet, rare to see how churches in Europe are closed every day becouse of lack of founding and attedance while almost every week a new mosquit is built.
Men do not get i guess, do not guess that salvery, misery, and beeing treated like scum is all for their good.
"Well now that sounds just like the fem's!!"
How we people pertaining to the slave class could even dare to complain about our situation?, we almost sound like first class citizens, women, fems.
"Christianity is not the problem!! DO NOT JUDGE A PHYLOSOPHY BY IT'S ABUSE !!!!"
Christianity is no more than the pathetic shadow of what it was, is completly rotten, it was about balance, now only cares about woomen, it is only traditional regarding male roles not female ones. Responsabilites for men, rights for women, responsabilities without ritghts is slavery.
Anyhow that is my opinion, but the point is, that it seems, as the facts shows, what more and more people are understanding aswell.
Take Care!!
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There was a time when feminism enjoyed its social stature as a liberating ideology with a lot of religious overtones.
Forty-plus years into this masquerade, it's become real clear that the Empress Has No Clothes.
Feminism Inc. is now nothing more or less than a global business, specializing in racketeering and extortion.
Follow the money trail!
You've got your VAWA Act, guaranteeing the pick-pocketing of a few modest billions of taxpayers money.
You've got several clever and well-entrenched "franchises" in the form of the Divorce Franchise, the Domestic Violence Franchise, the Child Support Franchise, the Sexual Harassment Franchise, the False Rape Allegation Franchise, the Paternity Fraud Franchise, the Title IX Franchise, etc. etc.
Hell, Feminism Inc. is more lucrative than selling drugs! And it's perfectly legal!
My chosen faith is not Christian, but I recall that Jesus Christ had a very strong opinion about extortion and racketeering... tossing the money lenders out of the temples.
What do you think He would make of Feminism Inc?
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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What Jesus taught and what people has done in his name, or is doing in his name, has the same resemblance as a monkey and a refrigerator.
For example Jesus said do not do to others what you would not want others to do to you, then how the hell is it possible that any so called christian judge steal the children from a men, their houses, their properties, and forces them into slave labor and deep misery, in some cases so hopless as to commit suicide?, or any legislator dare to aprove those very same laws?, why not even a single christian church has denounced this unhuman treatment of people?, as i said what jesus said and what churches has done in his name has nothing in common.
How was that?, take from the poor and give to the rich, no?, well, just al litle mistake. , -).
"Feminism Inc. is now nothing more or less than a global business, specializing in racketeering and extortion."
Of "sinners", divorced and single parents, and people that have sex out of marriage or before it, "sinners", in general.
Some years ago i thought it was two sides of the same coin, now i see is the same thing, divorced men are not sinners in islamic countries, that is divorced men have custody rights, they are not forced into slave labor or their properties taken, meanwhile in judeo-christian societies femist laws exploites men, but just men that behave in certain manner, "bad" men according to christian values ofcourse, and them, only them are denyed their basic human rights, housing, rising their children, a pay for working and freedom , just the "sinners" , coincidence?.
For me is clear Feminism = Christianity
Take Care!!
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by Anonymous User on 07:41 PM September 14th, 2004 EST (#31)
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divorced men are not sinners in islamic countries, that is divorced men have custody rights, they are not forced into slave labor or their properties taken, meanwhile in judeo-christian societies femist laws exploites men, but just men that behave in certain manner, "bad" men according to christian values ofcourse....
....me is clear Feminism = Christianity
This is pure fascist bullshit. You have no clue what constitutes men's issues, equality, justice, an advanced culture, and more.
Your thinking is as backwards as cannibals that think their civilization is superior to Western culture.
Western culture has its problems, but they pale in comparison to the Islam countries that train terrorist to hate white men and seek their extermination.
Warble
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First of all, exactly i used exactly the same arguments a year ago, but then i was saying that traditionalist and feminists were two sides of the same coin, my view of the situaton has just been confirmed, what has changed is only one thing, is that i realized that when pointed traditionalist as one if not cause of the problem i was making a mistake, becouse islamic countries are very traditional too, so islamic values are traditional, but they had nothing to do with the systematic mistratment of men in the western countries, so the line of reasoning remains the same but corrected, so is no more traditionalist and feminist are two sides of the same coin, it is christians and feminists are two sides of the same coin, wich is correct now. So all my position is not based from a certain phillia or phobia for a specific religion, as i have always been against impossed values or impossed thinking.
(If you get offended by the word christian substitute it by traditionalist, but afterwards take in account that it is a mistake to include some traditional set of values like the islam becouse this kind of traditionalim is not the culprit of what is happening to men, what is more their views are diametrically opposed to the christian traditionalist regarding sex and divorce for example).
I rather see that the laic members of western societies change the laws to give men and women same rights and same obligations, than to resort to other traditionalist, (muslims instead of christians), to improve the miserable situation of men, but it canīt be denyed that given the facts, it is a very easy, fast and attactive alternative, and as time passes it becomes more and more attractive, besides it looks like it would be the final solution.
The truth is that in the west millions of men are forced into slave labor, their children taken away, kicked out from their houses and their assest stolen, this a FACT, and this is not happening in islamic countries.
So millions of men are denyed reproduction rights, property rigths, family rights and even a pay for working, (well they can keep 30% of the fruit of their labor).
If christians would say enough is enough all this would be stopped in one day, ok may be two ;-) but no more, they should say that it is untolerable that the goverment rather than parents decide how much they spend on their children, that is an outrageos crime against human rights to allow one group of people to use other human beeings as slave labor for their own profit , worst yet when the reason for this crime is another crime, stealing their children in first place, in some cases after another crime, making those human beings having undesired children in order to steal them afterwards, to be awarded the right of exploiting them as slaves.
No one church in the whole west says a word about this, NO ONE, is so obvious. Furthermore is logicall, divorce is a new reality in the west, and bad regarded by some of its members, some sort of traditionalist, the christians , so it is not prepared to cope with this new reality, as in other cultures were has existed for centuries and considered natural, islamic societies.
They want that people remain married, that people do not have children out of wedlock, they want to promote certain values, by coercion, so they passed laws to punish men that did not behave:
(a) "no sex until marriage"
* child support, sexual harassment, new rape laws, etc.
(b) Divorce "trophy wives"
* lost of property rights, custody rights, slave labor, (alimony and child support).
The objectives of those laws are obvious, no sex untill marriage, no divorces, and coerce people to marry by making almost ilegal sex outside marriage.
But they are falling miserably, they are achieving just the opposite, with child support they are paying women to have children out of wedlock, with the divorce laws they are giving incentives to women to divorce, while making men more and more reluctant to get married, with the the new rape and sexual harassment laws they are even making the possibility of marriage even more unlikely as they undermine the very same relationships that are the first step to marriage.
This is called the perverse effect of policies, strong marriages, no sex untill marriage, no out of wedlock children and no divorce, well now the outcome, 60% of marriages fail, out of wedlock is the norm, and marrige is becomming a word to describe something people did in the past, or even worst a sinonimous of voluntary slavery.
Besides with those policies the fertility rates are plummeting and its consecuence, mass migration from islamic countries, making more feaseble that the liberation of men will finally be through other traditionlist instead of reason and fairness towards its male members by westerns societies in general.
So christian wanted to coerce their values and their way of life and are achiving exactly the opposite, their religion is dying and their values, (regarding family and sex), as well.
"This is pure fascist bullshit. You have no clue what constitutes men's issues, equality, justice, an advanced culture, and more. "
What does exactly christians, (remember traditionalists ,-), cool down, lol), have to offer to men?, what are they doing to protect men rigths?, (they are not doing any thing becouse in my opinion they are the cause of them, culprits by inaction anyways), where are the churches that supports men or at least are denouncing the their miserable situation?.
We know what the islam has to offer, their views and values concerning family rights and property rights for men, concepts completly alien under the judeo-christian set of values as we can see.
So should not men ask themselves those question?, why beg for a better treatment in a club that depises you?, why not just leave?.
"Western culture has its problems, but they pale in comparison to the Islam countries that train terrorist to hate white men and seek their extermination. "
Albania is a wester country as it is Canada and they are very different, same about islamic countries, arround two billion and growing people are muslims, the existence of terrorist can not be extrapolated to all muslims, on the other hand in phillipinas a christian country, people nail themselves to a crux, and undergo more or less the "pasion" that Jesus did, to show devotion, not very advanced, Phillipinas will pale in comparision with France a country that in Europe is now considered more muslim than christian, and given the family policies and the treatment of men by christian politics and judges, soon an islamic country anyways.(1)
But my question remains: given the treatment that men recieve in juedo-christian societies, given the fact that churches do absolutly nothing about it, no even denounce it, in any case they collaborate, a man gotta do what a man gotta do, men must provide, yeah!! and black southerner slaves collect cotton, and similar messeges, given the fact there is freedom of religion, first from having one or not to, second to chose a certain faith, given all this:
WHAT SHOULD MEN BECOME OR REMAIN CHRISTIANS?
WHAT HAS CRISTIANITY TO OFFER TO MEN?.
To women we know, trained slaves, but what is in it for men?, can men get some respect from churches as human beings rather than as slave labor and cannor fodder that women can use for free?.
Take Care!!
PD: Know cool down, and think about the situation of men, and see what are churches doing about it, afterwards drive your own conclusions.
PD: Saudi Arabia and other countries that are financing the spread of islam, and building of mosquites will have a very powerful argument to make converts if they would USE MENīS RIGHTS as an approach, they should do proselitism among the more downtronden men, then ask them if their chuches has offered them some help regarding their situation, or just told them to shut up and keep those payments comming, be a real man and so on.
I am afraid they will be very successful, i said i am afraid becouse i wouldīnt like to live in a teocratic society, but as times passes it seems a good deal, a cheap price to pay to get rid to those feminists and their traditional allies.
(1) Its consecuences, men withdraw in masses from the churches and its values, plummeting fertility rates and therefore inmigration that brings more muslims to France, that are more prolific than locals, reinforcing the trend.
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by Anonymous User on 02:36 PM September 15th, 2004 EST (#37)
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...The truth is that in the west millions of men are forced into slave labor, their children taken away, kicked out from their houses and their assest stolen, this a FACT, and this is not happening in islamic countries....
No the men are only getting their hands chopped off, eyes poked out, and tortured while women get stoned, murdered at will, and more.
This fascist Islam bullshit that you tout as being so great is really all about the destruction of our freedom.
Hell you are sounding more like an extreemist every day. Your posts have nothing to do with men's issues.
What is your real agenda? The recruting of the next wave of terrorist?
Go to another site. We are sane here.
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"...The truth is that in the west millions of men are forced into slave labor, their children taken away, kicked out from their houses and their assest stolen, this a FACT, and this is not happening in islamic countries....
No the men are only getting their hands chopped off, eyes poked out, and tortured while women get stoned, murdered at will, and more"
In a few contries may be, but there are more men sentenced to death in America in one year than than women stoned in a decade or men killed or having their hand chopped off in the all islamic contries together, and as i said, men there are not forced into slave labor, their children taken away, kicked out from their houses and their assest stolen, by women and their accomplices.
"the destruction of our freedom. "
Lol, which freedom are you talking about?, alimony, child support, no custody rights, no abortion or adoption like women, cannon fodder unlike women, jail, kicked from their houses, their assets stolen, bashed in the media, their sexuality criminalized, etc, etc, etc.
"....Islam bullshit ", probably the only alternative, or remain being the slaves of women, (nope that option is not valid as fertility rates shows).
"Your posts have nothing to do with men's issues. "
Like having a family, or own their fruits of their labor, (their houses, thier salaries, savings, retirment, etc), like rising their children, sure nothing to do.
"What is your real agenda?"
Well a fairer society for men, wether is equal rights and equal responsabilities for women, or no rights no responsabilities, (like children), i would rather the first one, but it seems is not going to happen, so i just point to another possibility that is becomeing a reality in many countries and as such a valid alternative.
Take Care!!
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"I think you are right to see the links between christianity and feminism."
That is what i tought, but know i believe that christianity IS feminism, they do not go hand on hand, they are not different things, they are the SAME. It would be interesting to make an study and see the correlation of the status of men and the percentage of population that attend church among countries with christian values, see how many men are jailed, how high are the punishment for not paying child support, if there is child support, the percentage that is payed, if it is capped or not, the percentage of men assets stolen and given to women after divorce, rape laws, sexual harassment laws, sentencing for sexual crimes.
I bet my house that the worst countries regarding the status of men are the ones wich christians have more influence, wanna bet?, just kidding, do not need another house, :-).
"Feminism has almost always been dominated by conservative middle-class women"
Absolutely, for working women, it would be much better to substitute child support for a child pay from the state(1), the parent that keeps the child gets the financial help, same ammount for all, there would not be first class children and second class ones, and from there on their parents, not judges or lawyers, decide how much they spent on their children, their parents not the goverment.
Are they getting now more than they will get under such system currently running in some scandinavian countries?, obviously no, will be more males willing to have children?, ofcourse, will be more women willing to share or give custody of the children to the fathers? you bet, so who benefits the present system?, basically females that do not work to support their children, do not work for a living, do not pay social security, living scum for wich children are an excuse to amass wealth and live the easy live of the social parasite.(2)
The actual system permits punishing people, or certain men, using children as an excuse, goverment can steal their houses, force them into slave labor and jail them, without child support the christian will not be able to punish "sinners", and that seems untolorable for them.
A poor man that has been working all his live, may consider unjust that his neigbour is rich, but he can tolerate it has long as his wealth is due to some excellence in certain area, or whatever, but imagine how outraged may feel about the woman that never have worked in her whole life, that had children and no even worked a single hour to support them, and has plenty of assets and lavish style of life, al based on someone else work and effort, all assets stolen and all income from some manīs slave labor, i am talking about the UBER PARASITE.
So UBER PARASITES and the posibility to punish "sinners" are impossible without the child support system. Christians and parasites need child support as much as Nazis concentration camps. Both things very important for their nauseating pourposes.
Without child support women will not oppose so viciously custody rights for men, but some people do not like that idea, men custody rights, men rights? never, guess who thinks men must work and women rise children?, yep, the christians again.
"The sins of the flesh are OK as long as women commit them. "
Same as child support, it would have been impossible to pass a law that would allow the goverment to take the children, the houses, force into slave labor, and imprision all divorce and single parents, the "sinners", so voila!!. the trick is take form some and give to the others, but never randomly it would be opposed by both, so chose one group and assure them that they will always benefit from the misery of the other group, and there you have it, child support.
And as Christians view women as sweet, weak, dim, infantile and needy of protection under all circumstances. Meanwhile regard every single man in the universe as a potential rapist, and every woman alive as essentially honourable and incapable of evil.
As was expected they passed laws to steal from men and give to women.Women are given the right to profit from the slave labor of males, (child suppor and alimony), are given the properties stolen from men and their children, so the misery of men is the joy of women, all political support lost creating a new class of slaves is compensated by the support of the new class of parasites.
So success for them, at the end they could pass laws to punish the "sinners", divorced and single parents, while them, the "good" people remained untouched, completly protected from those laws", those naugthy christian, they are digging their own grave and they do not know it, or just give a damm.
So that is why to gain the support of women they only punsih the sinn of men, never both, but women must profit from that, there you have it, sexual harassment laws, rape laws, and all this.
Take Care!!
(1)Wereas the benefits of having children have been socialized but not the costs associated with it, resulting in making children a burden, rather than make only half of the population, men, assume the costs trough slave labor, child support could be abolished and substituted by a pay from the state, the cost, or some of the costs, would be asummed then by everyone, men and women, not only men, as women pays taxes too.
(2) A woman, Vilar says: "A woman will certainly feel happy when she has an orgasm - but it is not the most intense pleasure she knows. A cocktail party, or buying a new pair of ... boots, rates far higher." Peck cites an example of a woman who becomes pregnant because she doesn't feel any sexual desire.
Some women don't want to work and they "need children to justify their laziness stupidity and lack of responsibility".Unlike men, women have a choice between a career and "the life of a dimwitted, parasitic luxury item"."This latter type of woman is nothing more than one of the many types of prostitutes. Men and society should recognize them for the trash which they are, and reject them. When a couple meets for the first time and they buy something together (for example a drink), the man should become suspicious, if the woman doesn't offer to pay half. If she is a parasite, as it seems, it will become worse and worse with time. From the drink, she will lead him into paying for her apartment and her clothes and she will never be satisfied unless the apartment and the clothes are better than those which other women have. If the man is content to be her meal ticket and earns enough money to feel secure, she will demand to have another child, so that he must work harder and feel less secure. It is never enough, she will always want more. If, finally, he has had enough and wants to leave, he knows that the laws in the Feminist-Christian countries will give her, his wife, the children and almost all of his property, and they will force him to pay a large part of his income to her for the rest of her life. If he doesn't pay, he will go to jail. If it were she who had had enough (with his frugality, for example) she could leave with the children and he must pay in any case. The states have supported this type of woman, with the marriage laws, in order to have many young soldiers for the army. In a just state, marriage would not be recognized. It would be better for a parasitic mother's children to be aborted or to grow up under the state's care in an orphanage.
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by Anonymous User on 10:36 PM September 13th, 2004 EST (#22)
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Here is the number of the Domestic Abuse Helpline for Men.
1-888-7HELPLINE
They might be good people to talk to. It's a National number.
Ray
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I would not be your friend and brother if I spared you the truth, By virtue of the fact that you are male...YOU ARE SCREWED.
It ain't nice....it ain't fair.....it ain't just.
It's simply what you get for having been complaicent about the feminazis commandeering, occupying, and "taking ownership"of your world.
You now have less rights than a nigger did in Georgia just after "the emancipation".
I tried to warn people for more than thirty years what they were in for and was always dismissed as a crank.
I hope you are now angry enough to actually spit in the face of anyone who suggests to you that feminism is a noble cause.
Welcome to the club brother.
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