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Good!
However, one has to keep in mind that the reason the prosecution looked so bad is because in this one case the defense actually had at least if not more of the monetary resources that the prosecution had.
If this had been a case against an average man with less resources then he would be more than likely found guilty or plea bargained for a shorter prison term.
Just who is this man trap Kate Faber anyway?
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by Anonymous User on 06:59 PM September 1st, 2004 EST (#2)
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An ordinary black man would have been sent to the slammer for 25 years for this.
Charges should be brought against Kate Farber for false accusation.
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by Anonymous User on 01:01 PM September 2nd, 2004 EST (#18)
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If Bryant is guilty of anything, I'd say it is BAD JUDGEMENT and screwing around on his wife, which he SHOULDN'T have done. but RAPE? No, don't think so.
What we have here is a high profile microcosm of a much larger problem, and that, of course, is false rape allegation. It is near epidemic proportions in this and other countries. But don't expect the media to take this case and use it to illustrate that epidemic.
Also WHY is it that the "alledged victim's" name and image are kept secret but the accused is shown and named promptly? AFTER the accused is found guilty, then fine, show his face and give his name. But why BEFORE he is found guilty??
If he is found innocent his name and face are STILL out there to be seen by all. And whether a man is found guilty OR innocent his reputation is SCARRED forever!
Not fair! Not fair at ALL!!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Like Kobe, let's drag that woman's name through the mud or sh*t, and absolve Mr. Bryant. This woman has tarnished his name, his family, and his life. For what-almost two years?-that she carried on this grotesque charade all for her self-serving greed.
SHE knowingly and willingly went up into HIS bedroom, after HE did EVERYTHING in his power to avoid women (he used fake names to escape the media and lusty women like Farber when he checked into hotels)for the SOUL PURPOSE of making a profit.
And destroying a life.
About time they prosecutors realized they didn't have a chance. Or at leat I hope that's what they realized.
How come Farber didn't scream rape on the other guys she was with during the seventy-two hour period? Oh that's right, they were poor white men, not wealthy Black men who could incite possible bias amongst a mostly white community.
But the other point is her decision to call rape was arbitrary and motivated by greed for money and attention. She literally drew out of a hat and chose Kobe. A nice young man with lots and lots of money. We women are such suckers for green paper aren't we?
And the rape shield law is just BS. After all the definition of "rape" now in this country is "if she changes her mind the next morning. Or if he has lots of money." I hate that woman.
Thank you Ms. Farber, for being the epitome of female parasitic greed,and screwing the rest of us(decent women who respect men and wouldn't pull this kind of sh*t!).
But at least you did change my mind and now, I want to be a defense attorney. I couldn't imagine being a prosecutor supposedly dealing out justice, when all the time I'm serving a-excuse my Francaise(French)-wh#re. Who decided to go after an innocent man for money.
She was a pitiful woman or little girl really, trying to get attention. Very similar to the Salem Witch Trials, where the town girls screamed witch on innocent people just to get attention. On of the innocent Salem victims of the trials was a man.
Typical. The Tr@mp who cried wolf. I hope the jury in the Civil Case realize that.
Mr. Bryant, feel free to sue young man. At least his defense attorney (a woman) realizes what kind of woman Farber was. Good for you for realizing that. Expose her for what she is. A greedy, parasitic opportunist.
By the way, I'm a new user. And female. Pre-Law college freshmen. Hi.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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by Anonymous User on 01:05 PM September 2nd, 2004 EST (#19)
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YES! Feminism IS hurting women.
And men. And children.
Feminism ruins EVERYTHING.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Rape Shield laws are just one more example of the law of unintended consequences. How many men voted for this law without realizing that it would be used as a tool to deny many innocent men the ability to defend themselves.
I'm sure it seemed like a great thing at the time, don't let defense attorneys drag real victims names and lives through the mud, but such a worthy goal needs to be balanced against the need for the defendant to be able to DEFEND. In the end I'm sure it DOES protect many real victims, but it's also created a large new class of victim... men victimized by a system out of balance.
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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The article on MSN that I read pretty much gave the guilty verdict. The whole article was about how the woman really still was believable and telling the truth but was too cowed by big money, threats and press to continue. He would have been better off going through with the trial.
The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on 01:08 PM September 2nd, 2004 EST (#20)
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Let's not forget that Kobe did cheat on his wife and that's wrong.
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by Anonymous User on 01:35 PM September 2nd, 2004 EST (#22)
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Let's not forget that cheating isn't what the hell this is about.
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Cheating on one's spouse is punishable in some middle eastern countries, and feminists have been up in arms saying how unjust that is. Are you saying that he deserves to be prosecuted for rape because he cheated on his wife? You agree that a woman should be prosecuted in the middle east for the same thing? They are the same thing, only in the US it is the men who pay, and in India it is the women. You agree with one you must logically agree with the other.
The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on 12:09 AM September 3rd, 2004 EST (#39)
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sorry jenk, you'are wrong there. In India again, it's the man who pays. Here, if a man has a (consensual) sexual relationship with someone else's wife, he goes to jail for up to 5 years plus pays fine. The woman is not prosecuted even as abettor. That's Section 497 of the Indian Penal Code. In India, a woman can NEVER be charged with adultery.
Hope I have clarified things.
-Indianmale
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I think Jen MEANT to say the middle east... not India. Feminists have been pitching a fit about supposedly unfair treatment of women in Arab countries when it comes to adultry. Funny thing is... I've been to Saudi Arabia several times, and to my knowledge adultry is punished by death to BOTH parties according to their law. Admittedly justice is definitely NOT blind in those countries, but for the bulk of men... you commit adultry and get caught... your in trouble.
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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by Anonymous User on 11:24 AM September 3rd, 2004 EST (#45)
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I didn't mean to say that Bryant deserves to be prosecuted for rape. I just said he cheated on his wife. We should remember that. He is not toataly innocent.
Should his accuser be prosecuted for making false rape alegations? Yes, I believe she should.
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Thank you, Dave is correct, I meant to say the Middle East. I had no idea that in India the law was such, thank you for the info. You should make sure you jump in more often when discussions pop up on this, as the feminazis put out a lot of disinformation, and it is hard to find the actually story. All we see are the bourka and the feminazis screaming oppression. It would be nice to get the other side.
The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on 06:52 PM September 2nd, 2004 EST (#31)
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Let's not forget that Kobe did cheat on his wife and that's wrong.
Oh yea. Now that's logic. A man cheats on his wife and that justifies throwing him in jail for 30+ years on rape charges.
AU must be a chauvinist as this is what they usually argue to condemn Kobe.
Do I condemn Kobe for cheating? Hell yes! Should that justify allowing Kate Fabre to send him to jail on false charges of rape? Hell no! Only a male hater would use such evil logic. Odly enought this seems to be coming from Christians.
Male-haters are like terrorists. There is no reasoning with them. They simply hate for the act of hatred.
Warble
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And this is meaningfully relevant. . .how, exactly?
Ack!
Non Illegitimi Carborundum, and KOT!
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by Anonymous User on 09:07 PM September 1st, 2004 EST (#7)
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Odd that the system didn't keep on attacking the accused to protect the liar.
I am happy for Kobe. The feminists will likely use this for harsher laws that will further ruin a man's ability to prove that he is not guilty. Most men can not do what Kobe did - in fact most men would have already been locked up for decades to satisfy the system's blood lust for men accused of sexual crimes.
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Just why in the hell did he issue an apology to Faber? Why?
It certainly isn't going to make the public think any better of him. In fact, it could have exactly the opposite effect. Now the feminists are going to look at Bryant and say "See there! He's apologizing! I always knew he was guilty!"
Instead of apologizing to Faber, he should be suing here for everything she's got. When I was done with her in court, she'd be living in a friggin' cardboard box.
Bryant says that he and Faber have agreed the she won't use his apology against him in her civil suit. Great. What he fails to see, however, is that he just shot himself in the foot should he decide to bring a lawsuit against her! So now, Faber will not only probably not face criminal prosecution for making a false accusation, but she won't face any civil liability either! Bryant has as good as destroyed any civil case he might have had against her.
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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I completely agree. Why in the hell does he feel the need to say anything? What he should do is call a press conference and announce that this lying skank is really about to have her world rocked. Even though he lost a bunch of fans throughout this saga, he still has a huge support base. He should unleash his lawyers and pour as much money into destroying her as it takes. Now that there is no threat of jail time, he really has nothing to lose but a few dollars. If he settles out of court for even one penny with this money-grubbing whore, he will lose any support I have for him. If this happens, then I think he deserves jail time because of the effect it will have on other falsely accused men.
There's no reason for him not to fight to the death in this civil trial. He can easily afford it. But what about all the negative publicity?? It doesn't compare to the lifetime of negative publicity he will get if he settles for anything less than total obliteration of this bitch!
Oh and by the way, are we ever going to see her name published in the mainstream media? I hear the name "Kate Faber" thrown around here and on other boards. Do we know for sure that that is her name? She could be raping other men right now as we speak, who don't even know that she is the one who is Kobe's Liar. I suspect she learned a few things from this round with Kobe, like try to wait at least until one man's cum dries before taking on another one, change your damn underwear before you do the next guy, don't brag to your friends,etc...
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Just why in the hell did he issue an apology to Faber? Why?
Well, maybe he 'pologized' because the public perceives that as the chivalrous and manly thing to do. It could be a ploy by his team's publicity department to rebuild his reputation in the public eye. Remember that Clinton rat 'pologized' all the damn time when he was in office and he has done rather good for himself since he left office....unfortunately.
Also, I don't believe he is out of the woods yet! Mrs. Bryant holds a very good hand if she decides to play the divorce & child support card. And I give the odds of that happening about 80% at this time.
In my opinion it sounds wimpy of him to issue a public apology but like I said he probably is being coached by publicity agents. And being married he should have kept his pants up when that Faber sexual predator started rubbing up against him. I will not just brush off what he did as "boys will be boys." There was no rape but he does bear some responsibility for helping perpetuate the "if she says it was rape it was rape" myth at other men's expense. Other men who would certainly be convicted because they did not have Bryant's resources to defend themselves like he did!
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I understand where you're coming from, but my problem with this whole apology fiasco is that it probably does come from his publicity agents. Now while his publicity agents certainly might repair his damaged image, they aren't helping him legally.
Now all Faber has to do is tell the judge in civil court "Hey, he apologized and admitted that I viewed it as a rape! Therefore you should award me damages, because even Kobe admits that I feel I was raped!" Sure, she says she won't use his apology as evidence in her civil suit, but does anybody here honestly believe that?
Not only has Kobe destroyed his own chance of suing her, he has virtually handed her a victory in a civil case. He has taken the proverbial "one step forward, two steps back".
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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According to this article, it looks like the civil suit is still pending. However, the statement by Bryant was part of the agreement for Farber to drop the charge. See this article, which states:
Bryant's statement was a condition of the woman withdrawing her testimony, his lawyers told ESPN for a story posted on its Web site Thursday. Defense attorneys Pamela Mackey (search) and Hal Haddon told the sports network that the accuser "insisted on that statement as a price of freedom."
Also, note that the agreement stipulated that charges would never be refiled.
Kobe's statement allows Farber to save face. It says that it was all a misunderstanding. Unfortunately, as pointed out by others here, this gives ammunition to man-haters. Nevertheless, Bryant was no different than many other men, when he agreed to a deal to avoid facing the possibility of many, many years locked in a cage.
I swear, I'm becoming an anarchist.
Thomas
-- Creating hostile environments for feminazis since the 1970s.
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The truth is that the behavior and past of the victim particularly her motive is an issue. It is outrageous that Women can make false accusations with monetary motives and get away with it. She should be charged with filing a false statement, perjury and a number of other charges. The Prosecution was looking to make a name for himself at Kobe's expense. What would have happened to an ordinary guy who hooked up with this Woman? Life in Prison no doubt. Do you think the prosecution would have revealed that she had relations with another Man within hours of having intercourse with Kobe? Don't bet the farm on it.
Khan
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by Anonymous User on 01:17 PM September 2nd, 2004 EST (#21)
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Well what is happening is that you men are now paying for all the times in the past that you got away with raping women. Get used to it.
Phaedra
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Well what is happening is that you men are now paying for all the times in the past that you got away with raping women. Get used to it.
Phaedra
What an ironic pseudonym! In Greek and Roman mythology Phaedra made a false rape accusation against Hippolytus after being rejected by him.
Your irresponsible statement is typical of feminazis: That the innocent should be punished for fictional crimes from the past.
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by Anonymous User on 01:55 PM September 2nd, 2004 EST (#25)
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Okay, fine.
Maybe I'm being a bitch. Maybe I'm wrong. But maybe I'm not. If you guys know so much about women and what it means to be one, then EDUCATE me!
Phaerda
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Well, Phaerda, what do you wish to know? I am a woman, I can tell you lots about being one. Ask me an actual question and I will answer it.
So far one person stated that most men do not rape (true) and that it is unfair to punish innocents for what others did in the past (true). The other pointed out that most likely you are white and that as a member of your group, by your own admitted philosophy, you should be punished for crimes done to his people by your people in the past.(true)
So, what do you wish to know?
The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on 07:02 PM September 2nd, 2004 EST (#33)
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Okay, fine.
Maybe I'm being a bitch. Maybe I'm wrong. But maybe I'm not. If you guys know so much about women and what it means to be one, then EDUCATE me!
If Phaerda has to ask us to explain then it is proof that she is seriously evil.
Some things simply don't require that we explain why or how. They just are.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 11:27 AM September 3rd, 2004 EST (#46)
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Plus, it would likely fall on deaf ears, anyway.
Feminists are blind. And it is pointless to show light to the blind.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 01:50 PM September 2nd, 2004 EST (#24)
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Uhm, excuse me Paerah, or whatever your name is.
MOST men are NOT rapeists. I, personaly have NEVER raped a woman, and never WILL!
Are you a white woman? If so maybe YOU should pay for the crimes of your ancestors who murdered my people (American Indians) and stole our land. You see by your logic ALL people of the same persuasion must be guilty of the crimes committed by a FEW people of the same persuasion.
That's NUTS! Not to mention the very definition of bigotry.
But then you ARE a feminist, right? So You know bigotry well. It's your best friend.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Check out this story on CNN.
"I think (the damage) was already done when the judge decided her sex life could be exploited or explored, however you want to look at it," said Jeri Elster of Los Angeles, who was raped in 1992 and has lobbied for changes in California rape law.
What the heck you expect, when you show up at a rape clinic 2 days later with Billy Joe Jean Bobs milkshake and no Kobe milkshake in your panties.
OMS
Just my two cents
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"all the times in the past that you got away with raping women"
You don't actually *belive* this stuff, do you? Do you really buy into the feminist Big Lie of 1,000s of years of male oppression? What utter twaddle! What a total loon.
Think on this: It's not 'ok' to wish ill on to others, nor to attempt to justify your own bigoted behaviour by quoting a litany of imagined past wrongs.
The concept that men, too, are human and just as entitled to compassion, fairness, and truth as women is obviously anethema to you.
And even in cases where Group A actually suffered a historical wrong from Group B (like TC points out), there's still no excuse for seeking 'revenge' or 'restitution.' You know why? Because there's no group that hasn't previously harmed another at some time in the past. No one has a monopoly on either heros or victims, good deeds or evil, times of which to be proud or times of which to be ashamed. Everyone's a victim and everyone's a perp, so get over it.
Move on. Seek resolution through understanding and compassion, not perpetuation through hatred and contempt -- no matter how good that hatred and contempt makes you feel.
Ragtime
The Uppity Wallet
The opinions expressed above are my own,
but you're welcome to adopt them.
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by Anonymous User on 07:00 PM September 2nd, 2004 EST (#32)
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Well what is happening is that you men are now paying for all the times in the past that you got away with raping women. Get used to it.
Oh. I get it. The communist Phaedra believes that she should be able to accuse any male of rape and get money. Phaedra justifies this by claiming that because a few evil males have gotten away with rape in the past that, in her view, all males should now be liable for the action on one male raping a woman. NOT!
Phaedra is the epitomy of evil.
Warble
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And when and how, exactly, are *you* going to pay for all the times in the past when women *sexually mutilated* other women and got away with it?
To say nothing of the approximately 10 million boys in the usa alone who have been sexually mutilated since 1996, when the inarguably 14th-Amendment violating 'Federal Prohibition of *Female* Genital Mutilation Act' became part of the US Title Code?
Don't even *start* with me about rape. I can trump *that* victim card any time I want.
Ack!
Non Illegitimi Carborundum, and KOT!
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Methinks Phaedra has exited the building. Probably because someone pointed out that she's most likely a white woman, and thus bears the collective guilt for stealing land from the Indians, mutilating girls (and boys!), and enslaving blacks. (At least, according to Phaedra's collectivist philosophy.)
Of course, should Phaedra the Friendly Troll decide to actually answer these charges, no doubt she'll come up with some excuse why she isn't responsible for atrocities of the past, but we evil men are. Her defense will be filled with glorious examples of sophistry and pious palaver, but will ultimately amount to nothing more than "But, but, that's different!"
O Phaedra, where is thy sting?
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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"Well what is happening is that you men are now paying for all the times in the past that you got away with raping women. Get used to it."
You are treating "you men" as all one group. One man rapes; you punish an innocent man, and then call it even.
I suppose if a woman physically assaulted my great-great-grandfather in 1891, then a man assaulting a woman today will make it even.
bg
Men are from EARTH. Women are from EARTH. Deal with it.
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by Anonymous User on 01:13 AM September 4th, 2004 EST (#50)
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"Well what is happening is that you men are now paying for all the times in the past that you got away with raping women. Get used to it."
Phaedra:
I must be psychic. I really didn't know you were going to say that bigoted, misandrist statement yet I made these.
(click) women's studies prejudices
(click) Gender Feminist Crime Pays
(click) Justice for false accusers of rape
Maybe I'm just getting used to hearing the inane femi-supremacist babble that's spewed from women's studies pulpits like parrots spew drivel from a perch in their cage.
On the project innocence web page over 90 of the men falsely convicted were falsely convicted of rape, then freed by DNA evidence. Think how many more men rot in jail (who actually had sex with their false accuser) and will never have the benefit of DNA to free them. Radical/gender feminism is a disease, a cancer, plaguing all decent people living in society today.
Ray
Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All the info I'm trying to convey is as the page initially comes up.
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On the project innocence web page over 90 of the men falsely convicted were falsely convicted of rape, then freed by DNA evidence. Think how many more men rot in jail (who actually had sex with their false accuser) and will never have the benefit of DNA to free them.
Phaedra says that we are paying for all the rapes that have happened in the past.
Just how does Phaedra know that all those past rapes were legit? If women falsely accuse today, you can bet good money they also falsely accused in years past.
Since Phaedra is a believer in collective guilt, I wonder if she considers all women guilty for the false accusations of a few? "Oh no! That's different!" Where's a :rolleyes: smiley when we need one?
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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by Anonymous User on 01:44 PM September 4th, 2004 EST (#52)
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Why am I attacked just for having a difference of oppinion????
Phaedra
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by Anonymous User on 02:21 PM September 4th, 2004 EST (#53)
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Well, that's what happens when you come out swinging, Pheadra.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 02:28 PM September 4th, 2004 EST (#54)
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"Why am I attacked just for having a difference of oppinion????"
You're not being attacked for "just having a difference of opinion" so you're certainly not a victim. Your statement points to the double standard that exists, when men are attacked or battered, they are just expected by feminists to take the abuse, to take the battery. Any attempt to defend themselves or just deflect off the blows is seen as an "attack" on the all sacred, perpetrating, abusive feminst. In fact, in my opinion, the sort of behavior you are engaging in is exactly like that batterers engage in. Do you remember you previous post, your original attack on us???
"Well what is happening is that you men are now paying for all the times in the past that you got away with raping women. Get used to it. Phaedra"
Go back up the chain and you'll find that prejudiced, stereotyping, hateful, bigoted statement made by you, falsely justifying feminist prejudices, and falsely accusing (and guilt tripping) "all men" collectively for the crime of rape.
It appears that in your world women are just supposed to falsely accuse men of crimes, and that's O.K. In my opinion that is indeed a major part of the problem. Women lie, accuse men of felonies, put them through living hell, then when any female is caught in the act of lying she is only charged with a misdemeanor, if charged at all. What an evil double standard that is in American and Western law. That must change.
Women who falsely accuse men of crimes batter them, and people who shelter women who batter men...
Ray
(click) If You Shelter Battering Females
(click) Felony False Accusers
Please do not scroll up the page of linked items. All the info I'm trying to convey is as the page initially comes up.
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by Anonymous User on 03:34 PM September 4th, 2004 EST (#55)
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You can have a "difference of oppinon", Pheadra, but it is HOW you presented it, that we're having a problem with.
You come out saying thing like this is men's come-upance. When you you do that you accuse ALL men of one crime. And that's wrong. So don't do it anymore, and no one will "attack" you.
Didn't you read my post about you as a "white person" being guilty of all that has been thrown at my people? I was being sarcastic, but hoped you'd get the point.
Let me put it another way. are YOU, Pheadra guilty of murdering Indians? Are YOU Pheadra guilty of stealing my ancestor's land? Were you present 100 years ago and take part in ANY of the fore mentioned atrocities?
My guess is that you aren't THAT old, so the only LOGICAL ansewer you can give me is "NO". You COULDN'T have been around 100 years ago, therefore you CAN'T be guilty of what was done to my ancestors...!
Do you get it NOW?
If not, I truely give up.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!
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Ah yes, since you have no defense of your prior statements, now you resort to the "Why are you attacking me?!?!?!?" mode.
So you feel that it is OK to falsely accuse men of rape, but it is *NOT* OK to so-called "attack" you and defend ourselves.
And some people actually wonder why we consider feminism a blight on society?
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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by Anonymous User on 12:14 PM September 6th, 2004 EST (#60)
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Okay, I see your point, Thundercloud.
I'm not too big that I can't admit I was wrong.
It's a valid point, and I'll take it to heart.
Phaedra
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by Anonymous User on 09:57 PM September 2nd, 2004 EST (#38)
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The apology was part of the deal for the woman dropping the case. It's bullshit. He should have refused to do it, and forced the case to trial. Now the losers are the public, who foots the bill for this whole fiasco, and men, who have guilty-because-she-said-so once again stamped on their head.
The gross fact is that even the men FALSELY CONVICTED of rape are reported in news articles "not to feel any animosity toward the woman". They just say something like I'm glad to be freed and want to get on with my life. Men have been so cowed, intimidated, and silenced by women that they don't even get angry about being screwed over by false charges in a legal system that systematically over-criminalizes males.
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You have a choice: take a principled stand and risk going to jail for a very, very long time, or make some bullshit apology and be certain that the charges would be dropped. If we were facing that choice, would we do anyting different?
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Weeks ago I speculated here that the criminal case would be dismissed and that an out-of-court settlement would be reached, thus enriching Ms. Faber and rewarding her predatory wiles.
That was the only logical outcome once the judge ruled that her sexual behavior could be admitted into testimony.
The "victim-accuser" will still be rewarded most handsomely with a lucrative cash-and-carry deal, and a few million will no doubt allow her to seek the therapy she needs to overcome all the victimization she experienced, and perhaps even buy some new unstained undies.
The ultimate lesson is that female predation still pays!
And, keep in mind that Kobe's public disembowling was just a high-profile version of what happens to millions of anonymous non-rich men who get "harvested" predictably in the Family/Divorce courts, the DV Gulag, the Child Support racketeering.
Kobe had the bank to buy his way out of the feminazi Twilight Zone.
It means nothing whatsoever for ordinary men who are fighting feminist tyrannies ... unless the case can be used as a precident that female sexual history can now be admitted as evidence.
Does anyone with legal expertise know how the case being dropped affects this?
Anyway, Kate Faber just demonstrated that no matter how much of a slut you are, if you're willing to risk a little bad media, and you choose the right deep wallet, then you can still "bank on" the Great Victimology Scam!
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on 10:39 PM September 4th, 2004 EST (#57)
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"Kobe had the bank to buy his way out of the feminazi Twilight Zone.
What a great title for a T.V. show, and all you have to do is take one of the hoard of anti-male shows that are out there now and re-name it.
Ray
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Aww, your making me blush....
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by Anonymous User on 11:36 AM September 3rd, 2004 EST (#47)
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I'd say you're making ME blush, too, but I was BORN red! (^_^)
Just a little humor, there.
(very little)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I love this place.
Y'know what the ultimate irony is about that particular username?
Good old Greek mythos from the legend of "Theseus": "Phaedra" was the name of a Minoan Princess who made a false accusation of Rape against her stepson "Hippolytus" to retaliate against his refusal to have sex with her.
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by Anonymous User on 11:40 AM September 3rd, 2004 EST (#48)
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I wonder if she KNEW that going in.
Or did she just take the name from the 1960's Lee Hazelwood song "Some velvet morning", because it sounded cool? (I'm showing my age, here, huh?)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Phaedra?
Nah... That would require doing real research.
I would go with "It Sounded Cool!"
:)
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Men shouldŽnt waste their time denouncing discrimantion here or there, they are not isolated cases, they must see at the big picture.
The Kobe case like many, many others are the normal result in a society in wich men are considered third class citizens.
Fundamentally, (and particularly in the current climate of misandry wherein feminism and 'abuse' pervade the entire ether) there is no hope that men will get a fair deal vis a vis matters relating to gender while governments and other various agencies have anything to do with them.
It would be like expecting the various government departments of Germany in the 1930s to behave fairly when resolving disputes between the thoroughly demonised Jews and the adored 'Aryans'.
Once one relize his status as a third class citizen no more surprises, all becomes cristal clear.
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by Anonymous User on 11:51 AM September 6th, 2004 EST (#59)
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"Once one relize his status as a third class citizen no more surprises, all becomes cristal clear."
Radical/gender feminists are trying to strip away all academic freedom on college campuses through sexual harassment laws as much as anything. Anything that anyone says, that questions, or is critical of "feminism" is seen as an attack on "feminism" and is labeled as "antifeminist intellectual harassment." Amherst in Mass, I've read somewhere, already has a form of this in place. How much longer before all freedom of speech is striped away on college campuses and then in fully public venues?
Ray
(click) Hate Crime Target
(click) Challenge Women's Studies
Please do not scroll up the page of linked item(s). All the info I'm trying to convey is as the page comes up initially
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Men shouldŽnt waste their time denouncing discrimantion here or there, they are not isolated cases, they must see at the big picture.
This is a great place to get a better view of the big picture and sometimes even share ideas for fighting the injustice.
But if you read and post here and then do nothing to fight the injustice against men, you are wasting your time.
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I just saw the start of the Larry King show (9th September) and he had 5 "legal women" as he called them on his show to talk about the Kobe Bryant case.
I never saw it as I had to leave. Did anyone see it? What was the content/direction? I am intrigued what 5 women lawyers would have to say on this case (with no male view present) - though I suspect I can guess......
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