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I think Arnold was trying to make a point using a phrase which has been out there for some time used to spoof him. SNL has been showing Arnold look alikes saying 'girly men' for years. Arnold is a very bright guy, and in trying to enamore himself to the everyday guy, he used an everyday guy phrase (guy meaning people, not just men).
I am suprised anyone here buys into the "oh my gawd..he spoke bad about a ...minority!"
This wasn't about gays, or women, it was about a stupid tv show and using that tv show to gain popularity among his voters. 'Girly men' here is a way of saying spineless, wishy washy politician.
I think that if all the voters care about are semantics, then perhaps that explains why the US is in such a pickle.
I personally love these antics. I am so sick of this PC crap, I love it when a politician gets in and shakes things up.
~And while I am on my soap box....~
I am getting so sick of gays feeling they deserve all this consideration. It is a lifestyle choice. If you choose to be openly gay, it is a choice. When I choose to go around with dog hair all over me, dirty jeans, and smelling like hot dogs, then I assume to get a certain reaction. I don't cry "I am a dog trainer, you can't discriminate against me!" when the waiter at a fine restaurant gives me a funny look (and to my other dirty, hairy, smelly friends!) I just smile and ask to be seated. It is only a problem if he refuses.
Everyone is giving gays a seat- however it is our God given right to not like it, or to give them a look. That is our choice.
~off the soap box~
Anyways, I think that this article is important to this site, but not for the reason Ray feels. I think that women have made being proud to be a man a sin for too long. Arnold, humorously, and perhaps accidentally, made a small stand to take back that right. Men should have a standard to which they hold themselves, and that standard should not be a woman. It is up to the individual to decide whether to follow that, and how much. I think that he makes a point that a man should have an opinion and stand by it. All this say one thing and do another is BS and we all know it.
Anyways, this is what happens when I am busy all summer and finally get back. Missed you guys,
The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on 12:31 PM July 20th, 2004 EST (#15)
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JEN!!!
Where have ya been????!!!!?????
I thought you'd gone missing on us, like LadyRivka, Dan Lynch or Letslockandload.
Glad to see you back!!
Any way about this Schwarzenegger thing, folks.
Why is it that males can be bashed, de-humanized and denigrated 24-7, but let someone make even a slightly "off handed" remark about women OR gays and it's the begining of Armegeddon?!?
Just goes to show where we are, I guess.
On a personal note I also find it interesting that you can not "parody" homosexuals in the least bit. If you so much as talk with a lisp or do the feminine "swish wrist" thing, or do anything "stereotypeing" gays you are branded "HOMOPHOBIC".
BUT! Go to any "Redskins" or "Indians" game and you see my people "American-Indians" de-based, dehumanized, and stereotyped with things like people going "Woo woo woo", chanting steroetypical "Indian war songs" and our religious and ceremonial objects (like the Kannanunawu (sacerd pipe)) being mis-used and PLAYED WITH like toys. This is WRONG!
We Indians protest it constantly! (includeing yours truely) Yet where is the compassion for US?!? Where is this UNDERSTANDING and TOLORENCE we hear about all the time? We hear it being demanded for Blacks, Women and gays, but that's appearantly where the line is drawn.
What if you had a baseball or football team called the "OHIO HOMOS"? and the masscot pranced around the feild with limp-wrists, wearing pink and listening to SHOW-TUNES!? 'think THAT would be acceptable?
What if you had a team called the "NEW YORK NIGGERS"? and the masscott (a white guy in "black face") danced around the feild saying "Oogah Boogah!", with a bone jammed through his nose? Would that be Okay?
What if a team called it's self the "WASHINGTON WOMEN" and at half-time a group of women came out on the feild carrying mops and saying things like "Don't ask me, I'm a girl" and demontrated the inability to DRIVE a car? Would that be okay?
I think anyone with any brains knows that if ANY of those three teams actually existed the out cry from black, gay and feminist groups would be so loud as to drown out all other sounds, the stadiums would likely be burned down over night, and of course the media would give it TONS of coverage as to how sexist, homophobic and bigotted it all is.
But notice not one word mentioned when Indians are treated this way.
AND not one word mentioned when MEN are treated this way.
And men are de-humanized, bashed and humiliated on TV in movies and popular culture EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR!!
But not one word.
So you see, my friends, Political correctness, tolerrance, and sensitivity are CATEGORICAL!
There fore true EQUALITY does not, NO, CAN not exist in this country untill the rules apply EQUALY to all people. With political correctness as part of the mixture, this will NEVER happen!
So, any way, I've ranted long enough.
But just for the record can you all see why I am BOTH a men's rights activist AND an Indian activist?
Ah, the parallels...,
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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That was the final thing to make me Not A Fan of American Rules Football. I grew up in Virginia suburbs of DC and the idea of going out to cheer for a racial slur every week was unappealling.
The only way I'd be happy with the Washington Redskins is if they changed their team logo to a potato.
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It was a really ugly time, I spend 5 weeks each spring living on campus at Clarkson University working on my Graduate Degree. That weekend was at the end of the 5 weeks so I was packing up and moving back home... at the same time Jen was packing up and driving to a Border Collie camp to teach inept dog owners for a week (it's a little known fact that 'dog training' is 10% training dogs and 90% training owners, and people call dogs dumb beasts ;) ). We were looking forward to the event and hopefully next year we can make it.
As far as Arnold is concerned I think it was an opportunity for the Governator to stand up to the PC bull$hit that pervades California (and the rest of the country), and he made a lot of points IMO when he refused to 'apologize' (suck up to the whiny radical minority).
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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Don't forget my parents came to visit that weekend too-with about a weeks notice. When it rains it pours!
I was very upset that we couldn't come down. As Dave said, we can try for next year. I am really glad it went well. I have been talking with our boys a lot about current events, and I think we may try to include at least the older one. He is seeing things pretty clearly, and thinking for himself about issues these days. Jen
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I was very upset that we couldn't come down.
I look forward to meeting you next time. You both really were missed. Your names came up more than once in conversations that I was involved in. We were even a little worried, since we hadn't seen either of you post anywhere for a while. As for your son, it would be great if he came. The congress was far from all white boys. A number of women came as well as some black men. One of the seminars, in fact, was on black and white men (and communities) working together on our common cause. Also, the age range of participants was pretty broad, but I'd guess that your son would stretch that a bit more.
I'm kind of sick of the word, because it's been hijacked by pc lunatics, but the more "diversity" we have, the better it will be for all of us. After all, we're all in this together.
Thomas
-- Creating hostile environments for feminazis since the 1970s.
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by Anonymous User on 12:39 PM July 21st, 2004 EST (#22)
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I'm sick of that word, (diversity) too.
Especialy in the context that the "progressives" and feminists mean for it.
Diversity in their minds is quite selective.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 06:28 PM July 19th, 2004 EST (#3)
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So Ahhhnold calls some lawmaking democrats 'Girlie Men'.
So what...
Who cares...
He's right.
I'm delighted to see that he isn't apologizing for the comment. I'm sick and tired of all the apologizing going on in this country. If you make a comment, you probably meant to say it. Leave it alone. The people you apologize to are not going to support you or vote for you regardless of apologies.
Thanks, Arnold. Keep speaking your mind.
Peace,
Divisive
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Let's see we the "Non Girlee Men" have to be careful not to say anything that would upset the Females, Gays, Hispanics, Blacks, Native Americans, Transgendered, Bisexuals, Pedophiles etc. They can all kiss my ass. Tired of the PC crap and the Thought Police. The wimps in Sacramento have turned
California into an ungovernable cesspool. Screw em.
I have been called a Bigot, although my 3 Grandsons Father my son in Law is Black, and I have two nephews who are mixed race. I have a Hispanic daughter in law. Sick of it. Sick of the Race Pimps, Compassion Pimps, Gay Lobby trying to feminize me. When I was asked recently by some Feminazis what I do to relax, I replied "I go out and kill something for fun". My idea of an area rug is something that is big furry and has bad ass claws and teeth. If I miss I'm on the Dinner menu. This PC crap makes me ill.
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by Anonymous User on 12:46 PM July 20th, 2004 EST (#16)
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Nope, be careful there.
It is PERFECTLY acceptable to offend American Indians. (see my above post in "don't read into this...") I know because I AM an Indian.
On the other hand, though, I'm with you on the whole P.C. thing. But believe me when I tell you, Pollitical correctness is reserved ONLY for Blacks, gays and women. The rest of us are s#!t out of luck.
Includeing men AND Indians.
It is pattently un-fair that one group must just sit there and "take it" while another group can say what ever they want about any other group and not pay a price for it. THAT is political correctness. Like I said earlier as long as pollitical correctness exists ther can be NO equality. because P.C. insures it. And part of me wonders if that is not by design, to KEEP races, ethnicities and genders at each other's throats.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 07:42 PM July 19th, 2004 EST (#5)
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I just listened to former CA State Senator Art Torres (D) on Fox News while taking a break from all my hours of watching CNN (sarcasm), and it came out that one of the issues related to the hold up of the CA state budget is the right of people in schools to sue under sexual harassment laws. Gov. S. is trying to reduce the write of school employees to file suit for alleged sexual harassment. The SHI (sexual harassment industry) is certainly well known as an industry that sets up heterosexual males for frivolous charges of sexual harassment in the workplace
In light of the above Gov. S's comment is even more bold, since California schools are nothing more than sexist and hostile environments, where male heterosexuals have to walk on tip toe over egg shells to be certain that nothing they say or do can be used against them in a sexual harassment charge. Women's Studies Centers and college courses in California colleges are bastions of sexual bigotry and harassment against men.
As far as Sheila Kuhel's comments, her radical, misandric, heterophobic views are painfully well known to men's activists in California as well as most Californians. When she cries "sexist," she needs a big mirror to look into so she can see the biggest sexist bigot in the state.
Even though California is considered to be the left coast, it is illuminating to know that the area that Kuhel represents is one of the most left leaning places in that left leaning state.
Sheila Kuhel should clean up the sexual hostile work environments against men in her own district, instead of taking so quickly to the hypocritical, two faced posture she seems to project so naturally.
Ray
(click) Heterophobia
Please do not scroll up the page. The only information I am trying to convey is as the page initially comes up.
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by Anonymous User on 08:31 PM July 19th, 2004 EST (#6)
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by Anonymous User on 09:07 PM July 19th, 2004 EST (#7)
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by Anonymous User on 10:19 PM July 19th, 2004 EST (#9)
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"What bugs Sen. Kuehl so much about "Girlie Men" and DNA tests?"
Here she is advocating in area, where she has spent a great deal of her time in office.
(click) Senator Kuhel's picture and "issues."
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 10:21 PM July 19th, 2004 EST (#10)
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“It’s unbelievable that they would take a stance against something that nobody else interprets the way they do,” Purcell said.
Wait a minute...isn't this a democracy? Isn't taking a stance the right of every American? Another words, "how dare they disagree with us."
Notice that the only parental quote is against the school board?
Good for the school board to stand up for what they believe in.
I am sorry, as I said earlier, being openly gay or transgendered is a choice. I do not think a child needs to be acting that way in school. I cannot believe that there are that many transgendered that policy needs to be written about them. Get over it. It is 6 hours a day. Go home and wear a dress if it make you feel better, and come to school in jeans and a t-shirt like veryone else, including half the real girls. For girls it is even more irrelevant, as they can dress like boys anyways, and they don't see girls going to the bathroom because of private stalls. If it is a bathroom problem, they can use the faculty lounge. I would be very uncomfortable with a girl using the boys bathroom, even if she claims to be a boy at heart. It is for both her safety and the boys that she stay in the girls rest room. Any boy straying into the girls territoty is at risk from some jealous boyfriend. Not a good thing to foster.
WIll it never end?
The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on 12:53 PM July 20th, 2004 EST (#17)
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AAAAAIIIIEEEEE!!!!
I saw her!! I saw her!! I'm blind!! my eyes!! my eyes!!
...I...I'm okay, now. I'm okay now...,
Now I know where "ugly-sticks" come from. They rub Sheila's face with tree branches to make them!!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I agree with pretty much all the sentiments already voiced here. I don't see how 'girlie men' is a shot at homosexuals. I mean, if he wanted to use a derogatory term for them, I am sure he would have have used one of the many other terms for that purpose.
Furthermore, Hanz and Franz, the charecters from which the expression was derived hardly fit under the category of blatently hetrosexual figures and oppressors, as I bet if you asked people if they thought they were supposed to be gay, or gayish, more than a few people would think it is possible. Either way it is unimportant. The fact this this woman is just trying to polarize people against him.
It is just another example of him digging into peoples cultural icons for support and to connect. Just as with his 'terminate them' in the vote on 'judgement day' (election day). I think only a true foul would suggest he means that he wants them dead, instead he just wants people to get out and vote... damn, what a novel concept in a democracy.
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What a waste of media resources and political capital criticizing or defending this "girlie man" remark.
Just a fraction of the energy that is being expended over this non-issue would have done wonders for improving society and living up to the TRUE American ideals of justice if it had been directed to criticizing paternity fraud, draconian misandrous child support laws, more public awareness about government neglect of men's health, and other related men's rights issues.
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by Anonymous User on 08:15 AM August 1st, 2004 EST (#24)
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I think the girlie men comment was because he is a mad man, he goes around beating other men up, as he has admitted in certain pick and choose autobiography moments, and then pretends its a man thing, its not a man thing its a evil thing, i mean serial killers are not more manly than the pope, woman who are tall are not more manly than 90 year olds who are short, women who kill and rape are not more men than me, and by the way thats not "politcal correctness" to say that its "absolute truth, and total truth, the ttotal truth, reality, reality," prooven by the facts, so stop tawattering on about politiocal correctyness, its a pathestic word, thats used by dumboes, who spend more time on being able to spell properly than thinking for themselves, slave drivers were not more manly, suicide bombers are bnot more manly, the devil is not more manly, he is like saudi arabia, saudi arabia is inherantly flawed in its prense, so caused 3million dead in wars in sudan ethiopia, and somalia, in the past 30 years, and causded the tring to craeate smallpox terrorist agency, creating arnie is inherantly flawed as up to the age of 26 he was a bully, then he suddenly became good, according to him, as he got married, but carried on being a bully, surely if someone is runnuing a state it should be someone who devoted himself to helping people upto that age, not somebody who was devoted to himself, in every way, also he gave support to the austrian nazi party leader in the mid 1990s, a man who claimed his party would have a natural majority of the vote if it was really the national socialists party, and who moaned about his parents treatment after ww2, even though they were allowed to live on a farm they bought cheaply off Jews, and propspered on it, well he's aid worse and that but the important thing is then arnie, when he realised he could be governor, in 1999, started critising the nazi leader, so anyway, thats proof, i like to think he's going to fail in some way, actually he will not, some group in California, will be treated the same way he thumps men like you and me in the face, but he's goping to glorified as ever, by verminous women who fancy strong bad men, and by people who want hard leaders if they want hard leaders why don't they tie themselves to helicopter wings, hey then they'll have strong leaders who do not let them do anything ethy want, well is ay we don't need an 1970s dictator of uganda, we need real justice, socialism, the red flag flying over berlin, the red flag over sacremento, we will win, we shall crush the devils forces, anhialte the haremic women of satan, and concubine sex slave buying monarchistsm heeh heeh, i don;t mean in a tough way, we shall beat them by glory abnd truth, the word of justice, the speeches of huimanity, defeat evil, defeat satn, defeat violence, defeat arnie, by pacifist power, yes, but by extremely long owrage the power of god is on our side, we shall never surrender, never surrender, well he might not be that bad, so hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hohh oh , but anyway i should be attacking my real ebnemies,
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by Anonymous User on 08:18 AM August 1st, 2004 EST (#25)
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I think the girlie men comment was because he is a mad man, he goes around beating other men up, as he has admitted in certain pick and choose autobiography moments, and then pretends its a man thing, its not a man thing its a evil thing, i mean serial killers are not more manly than the pope, woman who are tall are not more manly than 90 year olds who are short, women who kill and rape are not more men than me, and by the way thats not "politcal correctness" to say that its "absolute truth, and total truth, the ttotal truth, reality, reality," prooven by the facts, so stop tawattering on about politiocal correctyness, its a pathestic word, thats used by dumboes, who spend more time on being able to spell properly than thinking for themselves, slave drivers were not more manly, suicide bombers are bnot more manly, the devil is not more manly, he is like saudi arabia, saudi arabia is inherantly flawed in its prense, so caused 3million dead in wars in sudan ethiopia, and somalia, in the past 30 years, and causded the tring to craeate smallpox terrorist agency, creating arnie is inherantly flawed as up to the age of 26 he was a bully, then he suddenly became good, according to him, as he got married, but carried on being a bully, surely if someone is runnuing a state it should be someone who devoted himself to helping people upto that age, not somebody who was devoted to himself, in every way, also he gave support to the austrian nazi party leader in the mid 1990s, a man who claimed his party would have a natural majority of the vote if it was really the national socialists party, and who moaned about his parents treatment after ww2, even though they were allowed to live on a farm they bought cheaply off Jews, and propspered on it, well he's aid worse and that but the important thing is then arnie, when he realised he could be governor, in 1999, started critising the nazi leader, so anyway, thats proof, i like to think he's going to fail in some way, actually he will not, some group in California, will be treated the same way he thumps men like you and me in the face, but he's goping to glorified as ever, by verminous women who fancy strong bad men, and by people who want hard leaders if they want hard leaders why don't they tie themselves to helicopter wings, hey then they'll have strong leaders who do not let them do anything ethy want, well is ay we don't need an 1970s dictator of uganda, we need real justice, socialism, the red flag flying over berlin, the red flag over sacremento, we will win, we shall crush the devils forces, anhialte the haremic women of satan, and concubine sex slave buying monarchistsm heeh heeh, i don;t mean in a tough way, we shall beat them by glory abnd truth, the word of justice, the speeches of huimanity, defeat evil, defeat satn, defeat violence, defeat arnie, by pacifist power, yes, but by extremely long owrage the power of god is on our side, we shall never surrender, never surrender, well he might not be that bad, so hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hoh hohh oh , but anyway i should be attacking my real ebnemies,
Yehh this guy is right sure whoop whoop, he 's allright he's right yehh, but irs irsely i'll stoop writing about this nowm, he eheheh yeppidy dooha dahh, i shall fight those who hate us nedy types, wimpy etc, hopefully well they can sterilise people who are evil, and have lots of children, like arbnie, mabye sterilise their kids, too, then us shabby liberals will win, the voice of god is with us
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I wonder if Dobie had dated State Senator Sheila Kuhel in the early 60's would she still be the embittered misandrous toad she is today?
Some women can be so petty!
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