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Even our Republican President has caved to the rape hysteria...
That's not really surprising. The Republicans suck about as bad as the Democrats when it comes to gender issues. (And to be honest, they're not nearly as opposite concerning economic and other social issues as they'd have one believe, either.)
As someone at Stand Your Ground said, "same bowl, different turds".
Truer words were never spoken.
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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by Anonymous User on 07:48 PM July 18th, 2004 EST (#2)
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"The Republicans suck about as bad as the Democrats when it comes to gender issues. (And to be honest, they're not nearly as opposite concerning economic and other social issues as they'd have one believe, either.
The Republicans leave a whole lot to be desired, when it comes to men's rights, but based on the activities of the Clinton years, if you want to see things go to hell big time for men, just wait for the radical feminist loving Democrats to get back in power.
A lot of it is the fault of men too apathetical or dienfranchised to join together and organize. If men couldn't show any more strength in committment to common goals (addressing the issues that men face) during the last 4 years I suspect we will continue to see erosion of men's rights (big time) when the more radical feminist friendly Democrats gain office.
I suspect "Hate Speech" (anything criticizing feminists) will be the next big push of organized feminists now that men's groups have made a blip on the radar. Women are protected status under civil rights law, men are not. We have already seen "Hate Speech protection for feminists" efforts made in Canada and now Scotland.
I'm making men's rights T-shirts to give to homeless men this weekend. I've noticed they wear them in public, and a lot.
I'd say, "I'm working with some guys who have the courage to protest more frequently in public," but the truth is they need the clothes, they have nothing else to do, and they have nothing left to lose.
See you on the streets, one way or the other.
Ray
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I've hunted the John Kerry campaign site for any even minimal recognition of men's rights issues.
Nada. (Maybe my searching skills are deficient?)
But I found this --
"John Kerry was an original cosponsor of the Violence Against Women Act, which has provided over $1 billion for battered women's shelters, hotlines, and other crucial resources. The Violence Against Women Act also significantly strengthened federal law by including several new federal crimes and enhanced penalties for acts of domestic violence. John Kerry will take this commitment to the White House and support those working to help crime victims and put attackers behind bars."
Kerry has multiple "community" forums, none for men's rights.
• African Americans for Kerry
• Americans Overseas for Kerry
• Americans with Disabilities for Kerry
• Asian Pacific Islander Americans for K
• Doctors for Kerry
• Environmentalists for Kerry
• Firefighters for Kerry
• Latinos for Kerry
• LGBT for Kerry
• Native Americans
• Nurses
• People of Faith
• Seniors for Kerry
• Small Business for Kerry
• Sportsmen for Kerry
• Students for Kerry
• Veterans for Kerry
• Women for Kerry
• Workers for Kerry
• Young Voters for Kerry
And, he has stated his support for all of these WOMEN's issues --
Standing up for Rights of Women and Opening Doors for their Success --
•Expand Economic Opportunity for Women
•Make it Easier to Balance Work and Family
•Protect the Right to Choose
•Close the Pay Gap
•Fight Violent Crimes Against Women
•Open College Opportunities For Women
*Protecting Women's Health
Not a single bulleted "talking point" on any men's rights issue...
So how come he didn't tap Hillary for Veep?
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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The Republicans leave a whole lot to be desired, when it comes to men's rights, but based on the activities of the Clinton years, if you want to see things go to hell big time for men, just wait for the radical feminist loving Democrats to get back in power.
Oh, and who controlled Congress then? How many pieces of profeminazi legislation were passed with a Republican co-sponsor and overwhelming Republican support? One of the biggest problems with getting this movement off the ground is the tendency of its supporters to needlessly attack those who might agree with them. Just go check out Neocon-newsdaily for a perfect example of that.
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by Anonymous User on 02:51 AM July 19th, 2004 EST (#7)
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I don't think I'll let my free speech be censored by any freedom of speech hating, porfanity spewing critics today.
I think it is safe to say we will continue to disagree adamantly and there is ample proof to support my claims of the Democrats being the party is adamantly supportive of radical feminists and oppossed (misandirc towards men, VAWA being the prime example in my mind. IMO, there is no comparison between the two parties when it comes to the war on Fathers and men in America. IMO the Democratic party party has done way more by far during the Clinton Administration to lead the ruination of men's lives. Oh, and by the way, you started it again on a preivious post on July 14th:
"For another example of bad social legislation, look at all the bullshit "protection of marriage" amendments floating around Congress and the state legislatures." "If senators Rick Santorum and Bill Frist realized that their support of this amendment angered enough consitutents that they could lose their next elections, they might have second thoughts."
I didn't mention it then, but I'll mention it now. I don't see that as a pressing men's rights issue (Gay Marriage) if a men's rights issue at all, but you brought it up and bashed Republicans anyway.
If you want to see all the misandric laws the Democrats have ushered in, and brag about, just go to their web site. There misandric rhetoric (like John Kerry's site) has abundant evidence.
One of the reasons the Democrats may lose this election is because of their vulgar bullying tactics, thinking they are the only ones who are entitled to have an opinion, and attacking ad hominem when someone disagrees with them.
That's a really poor way to win a disagreement or friends.
The man-hating American police state grew enormously under the misandric policies of Clinton/Reno so even though I made the mistake of, voting for Bill Clinton twice, I won't be fooled again by the man-hating agenda of the Democratic candidates.
Sincerely, Ray
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Well, I am not implying that there is a causal or correlative relationship between this story and this story off-linked on the side. It merely points up that it seems there is enough unhappiness in USAF that suicide (male suicide that is) is very high relative to the population in general.
Meaning no disrespect to any service personnel, current or former, but I just can't see why any man would join the armed froces these days unless he was so utterly desperate for some means of support that he felt he had no choice. I understand that a lot of people may join motivated also out of a sense of wanting to serve, family tradition, etc., but with the kind of persecution of men and male sexuality that is going on in society in general and intensely, apprently, in the armed forces, I just don't know why any man would want to join up. Funny is that most people in the armed forces are male. It astounds how often men collectively and individually work against their own best interests. I feel men's rights work is even more about changing men's perspectives as it is about women's perceptions or attitudes towards men.
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by Anonymous User on 10:57 PM July 18th, 2004 EST (#5)
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"I feel men's rights work is even more about changing men's perspectives as it is about women's perceptions or attitudes towards men."
One of the main tenents of radical feminism is, that the roles women and men live out, are socially constructed. The problem is that women's studies, women's commissions, and other feminist enterprises spend all their time looking at the oppression of women and how to improve their lives, but never consider men's historical oppression (like military service) and how to improve men's lives.
When's the last time you heard an agressive arguement from feminists to let women go to front line combat and straigten out all those other patriarchal countries that are oppressing women. Sure, let American men do all that dirty work and then blame them for being prone to violence as a result of serving their country so you can exploint them again.
Feminist maggots are having a field day improving the quality of women's lives on the backs of men.
Ray
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"It astounds how often men collectively and individually work against their own best interests. I feel men's rights work is even more about changing men's perspectives as it is about women's perceptions or attitudes towards men."
I couldn't agree more. It's not that bad attitudes from women toward men aren't bad - but it's even worse when a large part of the male population works against their own rights. Look at Hollywood. Who writes all that man-hate? It's for the most part men who write those sit-coms and commercials.
And how often do you hear some guy proclaiming (thinking he can speak for all men when he's in no position to do that): "All men want is sex, beer and watch sports", or "you know how we men are, all we want is sex!". In fact, the best example on that mentality is Ray Romano. He even makes money on a show based on those exact things. It's disgusting.
It's so frustrating that men can't keep a united front against these issues.
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Remember the first thing the feminists (then Women's Libbers) did back in the 60s? They set out to change the mindset of women, not men. That was the whole point of The Feminine Mystique changing women. In the early 70s, with the explosion of women studies programs, they succeeded spectacularly. Until men have their "consciousness raised" we will continue to be victims of our own friendly fire. This is why the Lace Curtain is so strong and determined: the fems are afraid of any siren that may wake the sleeping giant.
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"Until men have their "consciousness raised" we will continue to be victims of our own friendly fire. This is why the Lace Curtain is so strong and determined: the fems are afraid of any siren that may wake the sleeping giant."
Exactly, you hit the nail on the head.
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