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No. 1 "deadbeat" pleads not guilty
posted by Adam on 11:44 AM May 9th, 2004
News CJ writes "This article ran in a local paper, as well as the Boston Globe. The Salem Evening News (which has a large subscriber base) had a picture of the ex-wife and her friends taunting and yelling at this poor man as he was lead into the court from jail tied in chains. This man is destitute of property or means of comfortable subsistence; yet the court ordered him to pay over $2200 a month after taxes. He also maintains that the child-support system made mistakes and he did try to make some payments."

Click "Read More" to read more, naturally. The link isn't working at this second in time, but one of you might find the article if you look, Regardless, we have activism to do.

The judge didn't even look at these when bail was set at $200,000. A special dead-beat Dad DA was brought in to punish this man as an example for the rest of us. I'd like to add that this guys fat ex-wife yelling at him in the picture does not look like she has been deprived at all. The local feminist reporter (Julie Manganis) called him indigent, and gave a one sided account of matrimonial discontent by the wife. Manganis further denigrates the local Fatherhood Coalition advocates for trying to contact the ex-wife for mediation purposes.

Even though this article was front page news, Manganis quotes the ex-wife with "I'd like to see more media attention paid to the issue of deadbeat dads....I don't think the public is aware of what really goes on...Maybe more people would be brought to justice." sic... The reporter also added "the ex-wife was disappointed that he wasn't convicted" immediately for up to 5 years. Julie Manganis is towing the feminist line in all issues related to Please write the Salem Evening News expressing disgust in Manganis' biased reporting, and add your thoughts on the nature of court ordered payments too. We need to start making our voices heard.

I already wrote mine.Editor Karen Andreas, (978) 338-2671 for corrections or comments on overall editorial content and quality; e-mail kandreas@ecnnews.com.Metro Editor Helen Gifford at (978) 744-0600 for news coverage of Salem, Beverly and Peabody; e-mail hgifford@ecnnews.com.

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The So Called Problem With Dead Beats (Score:2)
by Luek on 07:12 PM May 9th, 2004 EST (#1)
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What is happening to this man is insane and a blatant example of state tyranny. We send the Marines into other countries that treat their citizens this way.

But the main problem with child support payments is that more women should be made to pay them. There is no excuse for men being burdened with this 80 plus per cent of the time. There should be parity. For every man paying child support there should be a female paying child support to the ratio of 50% to 50%.

And of course this implies that more men should be given custody. It is just ignorant that this society believes that only 5 to 10% of fathers are capable of raising their children. And it is also ignorant that society assumes that 90 plus per cent of females are capable of raising children. They are not and the national abuse statistics bear this out.

If this be misogyny then make the most of it!


Re:The So Called Problem With Dead Beats (Score:1)
by BreaK on 05:03 PM May 10th, 2004 EST (#7)
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"For every man paying child support there should be a female paying child support to the ratio of 50% to 50%."

You hit the nail on the head, if it were that way, people would not tolerate to live under a system in wich having children means a 50% per cent chace of beeing forced to perform slave labor for the benefit of another person for the rest of your life, or go to prision, (in addition of losing one`s house and life`s savings), without even the basic right of the custody of one own children.

A system in wich arbitrarely the judges and the piliticians can change the ammount of slave labor one is going to be force to perform, 2 days a week,(30% child support), may be 3 days, and how long, 20 years may be 25.

Huge incentive to have children yep!!.

Child support is just beeing forced to perform slave labor for the benefit of a third person, nothing to do with supporting ones children, this is the bigest lie of our times.

Slave labor for the same person that has stolen your house and your children, intolerable!!, this is pure terrorism, criminal acts, that are beeing sistematically done every day to thousands of women and millions of men.

Besides no one should suport any child without the right of rising him/her. If a man or a woman want the right to educate a child must be responsible of supporting him/her, not expect some one else does it for her/him.

And ofcourse by no means any judge should decide how much money their parents spend on their children, or deny a father or a mother the right to educate their own childrens, (custody).

Just in very special cases, drug users that hit their children or other similar situations. In those cases if they lose custody and those children adopted for another family, this new familiy has now the rights and the responsability of supporting those children, they do not expect that the biological parents that lost custody of their children to become forced to perform slave labor for their benefit.
 
How ever if women think they are going to be the ones to be the exploiters not the exploited, society remains divided, women want that children remains associated with slave labor and men want that by no means chidren could imply any sort of slave labor at all.

women will demand more slave labor and for more years, (higer child support rate and for longer periods), men the opposite, but the whole system is putrid, is completly rotten, a system that creates first class and second class citizens at the whimp of judges and politicians.

Slave masters never wanted equality, neither the nobless, or the aristocrats, no one wants to lose priviledges, even if those are based on the misery of other human beeings.

But if there is a 50% per cent chance of becoming the slave rather than the slave master.......... this is completly different story.

Link? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 07:25 PM May 9th, 2004 EST (#2)
Is there another link? Your link did not bring up anything and I cannot find this news bit anywhere else.
Try this link (Score:2)
by Raymond Cuttill on 08:41 PM May 9th, 2004 EST (#3)
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Try 'Deadbeat' dad pleads innocent

As for women paying child support have a look at this. About lesbian child support and also paying for embryos that produce children
Partner child support at issue

BTW, Spiderman is on trial in London, see Men's Hour Blog

Re:Try this link (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 11:18 AM May 10th, 2004 EST (#4)
That link also does not work. I've done a lot of searching on the net and on these news sites you mentioned and I am unable to find any trace of the article you are referring to.
Re:Try this link (Score:2)
by Raymond Cuttill on 12:57 PM May 10th, 2004 EST (#5)
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Sorry, but it was there. Try this. It's the Google cache of the previous link 'Deadbeat' dad pleads innocent - cached version

For future refernce try http://news.google.com Type the word deadbeat for hundreds of entries or if you type in "Deadbeat dad pleads innocent" you get Search results. One is the now missing link to the Boston Globe. Two are there now but require a subscription, or you could read the cached version above, and if you still can't get it I can post the article.

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Here's another article (Score:2)
by Dittohd on 03:09 PM May 10th, 2004 EST (#6)
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Here's another article on this case from the Eagle -Tribune.

Notice the comment from the mother:

I don't think he has anything to pay... Payne-Violette said. I'm hoping he has to do some jail time. If he can't pay, he should go to jail.

Should all women who can't afford to support their children go to jail? Regardless of whether they put the child up for adoption, have an abortion, etc?

I think so. Equal rights, equal responsibility!

Dittohd

Re:Here's another article (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 12:49 PM May 11th, 2004 EST (#8)
528 per week is insane. When you factor in that she appears to be remarried, and (I would think) both parents would be supporting the children equally...these 2 kids cost 4 thousand dollars a month?

Sounds more like mom is upset that she's going to late on her Mercedes payments.
Insanity (Score:1)
by LSBeene on 02:23 AM May 12th, 2004 EST (#10)
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She's REMARRIED and no downward modification is done?

She needs over 2000K a month in "child support"?!

Ummmm, shall we compare where SHE lives and where HE lives?

Mommy support

Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
Re:Insanity (Score:1)
by BreaK on 03:50 AM May 13th, 2004 EST (#11)
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Child support is not about supporting oneīs children is just being forced by the State to perfor slave labor for the benefit of a third person.

Is just about the right oof women to explioit men, is about the right of women to have custody of children without having to work to support them, is about the right of women to live at the expense or profit from the labor of men withoout having to do any thing in return as it used to be.

It is about rights without responsabilities.

"The fundamental premise of child support is, if you bring a child into the world, you have a responsibility to support it"

Bullshit, if that would be true child support will never be more than half of the real cost of risinga a child to make sure BOTH parents support their children, and housewives would be jail for failing to support their children, they will chech that married working women are really contributing to the cost of rising them.

Besides never, ever has been that way, children must be supported bey the people that has the right to rise and educate them.

Men have been always responsible to support their children but had the custody of their children too, men had to support women but women had to obey and serve men in return.

Feminists wanted women to have the right of having the custody of the children, but without having to work to support them, and they wanted
to get rid of their duty of serving men with out giving up, the right to profit from men labor.

So instead same rights and same obligation regarding children, like joint physicall custody or any other agreement of that kind, they denyed men the right to rise their children and gave them to women and using children as a excuse they forced men to perform slave labor and the money produced by that salve labor given to women so they can keep on profiting from men work without having to fo NOTHING in retur, so they can have custody of their children as men did without having to work to support them.

Under these conditions no mntally healthy person would want to have children, (in love people are sane during this period), so they denied men any reproductive right, women have abortion rights men donīt, women can place their children in to adoption men donīt, women no even need men written consent to have children from them.

Child support creates social parasites that live at the expense of other peoples work, and sweat, child support allow parasites to have children without having to support them, child support ceates a cast of social scum that receives benefits from the Goverment wihtout contributing a single dollar throught taxes. Child support is about paying people to steal your children or even worst being forced to pay some criminal that jas made you had an undesired child and afterwards kidnaping him/her. Child support is about corrupt judges deciding how much a parent must spend on their children, the parent that has absolutely no right at all.

CHILD SUPPORT IS THE BIGEST LIE OF OUR TIMES, men third class status is based on this, it work like this:

1) Give women coustody of children.

2) Use children as an excuse to force men to performe eslave labor for women, and to steal men savings, homes, retirment benefits, etc.

3) Deny men any reproductive rigths, custody, abortion, adoption, having children on their own like women are allowed to do.

Using children as an excuse the explotation expands in other areas, lesser sentences for women, better treatment in jails, more social benefits from the state, exempt to die for their country, paying less taxes, and so on, so on.

The sadest thing is that all this is happening manly becouse of other men the gentlemen, the judas of the world that sell their brothers, sons, and children for some silver and a pat on their back, the puritans and the traditionalist that feel safe of all this nauseating disgraces.

Fortuantely one by one are getting blasted, they are becoming affected too.

Each time i hear child support makes me sick, is not about children is not about supporting them is about slavery.


Re:Try this link (Score:1)
by Kirran on 12:54 PM May 11th, 2004 EST (#9)
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One thing I have to say is that this case is very important, because the legal ramifications can have an imact on Paternity Fraud...
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