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Correct!, Furthermore if the goal is to stop people having children that they are not going to support, the only way to do it is to seterilize women not men.
Women are the ones that has reproduction rights, the one that decides if conception will end in a child or in an abortion, the ones that can chose to keep the child or placing him/her for adoption.
A women wanting to have 5, 6, or 9 children and not wanting to support them is not going to be stoped sterilizing some men, she has no problem, she can cheat as many men as she wants, she does not need consent from them for having children.
In slamic countries consent is marriage and single women having children are punished, in the west no even a wrriten contrac, nothing, ofcourse men are shit so what bother?.
She just need their sperm very easy, she just has to pretend being interested on sex and thats all, or just collect some cused condoms from the next beach, or she can just go to a third world contry and pay peanuts to a man to use his sperm and then come back pregnant, so what?.
Punish people that has the power to bring children keep them and not support them, .......... punish women not men.
But the point is not this, is just punishing male sexuality, puritanism the real feminism that rotten men existence.
It takes two to make a child , sure, but so what?, just women are allowed to decide if a child is going to be born or not, but ofcourse the guilties are men.
Some people have the right of deciding to have children and keep them if they please, but other people are responsibe of their choices, funny!!.
The same old bullshit, women rights men responsabilities, female choices male duties.
PD: I wonder why all population control programms arround the world are focus on sterilized females not males,(human or insects to reduce plagues for example), mmmmmm, why?, why?, just don`t get it, let me see, might be becouse is waste of time to sterilize 50 or 60% of the male population if 100% of females remain fertile as a mean of reducing demographics?, and why in demographic data natality is always counted as children per woman, not per man?, mmmmm, pathetic!!.
Men are powerless regarding reproduction, no rights at all, lesbians are allowed to have children gays no, single females are allowed to have children by their own, single men no, conception accidental or not does not means children for women if they do not decide that way, men desires is irrelevant, well men are irrelevant that we know, and logically if men are just chatle, with no reproduction rights they ofcourse have neither custody rights.
Men are just the scum of the west, but somehow they deserve it, most men support their own status as one can see everywhere, sad for the remaining men that don´t, well just a matter of time, the west will die out and other civilizations will take our place. Muslims perhaps?, or another civilitazion that treats men with respect and where children are a joy for men not an excuse to slave them.
A society that makes having children a disgrace for many of their members, that use childen as an excuse to deny half of their populations the most even basic rights, to exploit them is not going to last, or the system changes or the west is bound to extintion, wich frankly given the the facts is the best can happen for the human race.
Millions of muslim imigrants are replacing the dying Europe, and same with latinos in USA, in a shorter period of time than we think feminism will have dissapeared along with puritans, traditionalist and their ilk, common names will be Carlos, Ramon , Roberto for USA and Agmed, Jamal, Mohamed in Europe.
West is infected with a malign cancer that or it is removed quickly or it will be to late.
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or the system changes or the west is bound to extintion, wich frankly given the the facts is the best can happen for the human race.
Lay off the self hating, I ain't fond of it.
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Good advice!!, but some times just i get really mad and to the hell attitude appears.
Take care!!
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Good advice!!, but some times just i get really mad and to the hell attitude appears.
I just hate that kind of self hating attiude, that's all. It just gives me a serious knee jerk reaction.
Take care!!
I'll try, cheers all the same.
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The femine hate is like a hemmoriod on the ass of society. It needs some preprahation h
OMS
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by Anonymous User on 02:42 PM May 7th, 2004 EST (#3)
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Will you please go away...?
Why don't you go to a MONTY PYTHON website and make that 'noise'. It would be much more appropriate, if you think about it.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Just mod him/her down to -1 and ignore, if you have mod rights (I appear to not). If you respond like this, your just giving it what it wants.
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by Anonymous User on 03:19 PM May 7th, 2004 EST (#11)
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True.
Therefore, I will stop feeding the troll.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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This is about the level of maturity we usually get from our feminist guests.
Actually, there is usually some POINTS made (or attempted to BE made), but you don't even have that amount of intelligence.
Must be a "womyn's studies" major.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 02:58 PM May 7th, 2004 EST (#6)
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>"Make me!"
Oooohh, Grrrr, touche, Snappy come-back, you goof ball.
If your goal was to come to this site to make an idiot out of yourself, then MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
Now, go Troll somewhere else, if you don't mind.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 04:48 PM May 7th, 2004 EST (#13)
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Why is everyone filling this thread with posts that have nothing to do with the topic?
I actually agree with this ruling (I am male). It gives the males a chance to avoid prison (which I do not agree with).
But if a man has more than 4 children with 3 different women, and he's not paying child support on any of them, he should not be allowed to procreate. We have far enough unwanted children in the world as it is than to have irresponsible men producing children they have no intention of caring for.
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My responce to that is, how do we know the state didn't screw the man for more money than they make on the first child, second child. or third child. How about these females that do the same damn thing and then get on welfare, and never name the daddy. I bet half the $280.00 in federal taxes takin out of my military check, goes to pay some female that can't keep her legs closed. How about sterilizing them after say 6 months on welfare, or make them give thier kids up like the family courts do to fathers right now. How about a judge order her legs sewed shut, or have her tubes removed, that way she could be as permiscuas as she wants. Maybe my tax's would be lower if we could get these Dead beat moms (dead beats as in "making a living off of reproducing) off of thier ass and welfare and working.
OMS
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by Anonymous User on 06:40 PM May 7th, 2004 EST (#15)
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Whether or not it's cruel and unusual punishment, it sure looks like unequal protection to me. This judge will apply the rule only to men but not women. And he justifies that by saying a vascectomy is "simple and irreversable" while tubal ligation is not. But vascectomies do carry a significant risk of irreversability and other risks as well. There's no excuse to not apply it to women and men equally. This judge is probaly afraid of feminist reaction.
Marc
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by Anonymous User on 10:58 PM May 7th, 2004 EST (#22)
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Hmm, Let's see.
They tried sterilizeing my people, (Indians)
They tried sterilizeing the mentaly ill, And they tried sterilizeing the Jews.
I guess we men, in general, are next in line...,
Does it EVER stop...?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 03:10 PM May 7th, 2004 EST (#8)
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Well, at least I have the stones to SIGNE my posts. Unlike cowardly fem-trolls who post anonymously.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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From the eloquent sign-off line above, I have to conclude that Anonymous is majoring in English at The Evergreen State College, and minoring in shit-for-brains... ;-)
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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The Fark admins think this story is worthy of a "hero" tag, why don't we visit the comments thread and say hi?
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There are a lot of people on there, speaking up about abuses of the "child support" system.
--
Evil Pundit of Doom!
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by Anonymous User on 09:35 PM May 7th, 2004 EST (#21)
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A case called Skinner v. Oklahoma was described in which a law requiring sterilization under certain circumstances was found to violate the U.S. Constitution. A short description of the case is here and a copy of the opinion is here. Specifically, the law provided for a criminal to be sterilized after committing three felonies that involved "moral turpitude". In this case, the felonies committed (an instance of theft plus two armed robberies) do not sound to be of a sexual or abuse-related nature. The issue of "cruel and unusual punishment" came up, but the real problem with the law was that crimes such as embezzlement (even when considered felonies) were excluded by this law from counting as one of the "three felonies" for the offender. On the other hand, theft which would be embezzlement under different circumstances would count, for instance. This was considered to violate the equal protection rule.
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Really happy you know the case law on this. Plz, (just asking) get a "handle" or sign your posts so we can address you by name.
It just helps keep things clear on who said what and how to properly address the person you (or in this case I) are (am) responding to.
Either way, forced sterilizations smacks of Nazi Germany or the former Soviet Union way to much.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 01:37 AM May 9th, 2004 EST (#27)
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Yeah, Yeah, That was funny the first five hundred and twelve times you said it.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 01:00 PM May 9th, 2004 EST (#29)
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"Ickny Ickny Ickny Zupung Zooomboing!"
Femi Femi Femi Women's Studies - Any other class projects you'd like to share with us??? Sorry we can't give you another "A."
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Here is a quote from another story from another site.
I gotta love this:
Judge orders couple not to have children
ROCHESTER, New York (AP) -- A couple has been ordered not to conceive any more children until the ones they already have are no longer in foster care.
A civil liberties advocate said the court ruling unsealed Friday was "blatantly unconstitutional."
Monroe County Family Court Judge Marilyn O'Connor ruled March 31 that both parents "should not have yet another child which must be cared for at public expense."
This is from one of the SYG threads:
http://standyourground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3 147
It's amazing that since there is a female's reproductive issue here there is a civil liberties organization that wants to spout off about the couple's rights.
Oh and concerning THIS case:
Surprisingly, the executive director of the ACLU in Kentucky did - albeit halfheartedly - speak up wrt the sterilization issue:
Quote:
Beth Wilson, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union in Kentucky, said the policy is questionable.
Wilson said that getting men to pay child support is right and just. But suggesting sterilization is going too far, Wilson said.
"The government should not be able to coerce anyone — whether directly or indirectly — to give up your constitutional protections," she said. "We're opposed to any type of sterilization that's forced or coerced by any government agency."
Nice of her to make some half assed comment (with the obligatory nod to the feminist mantra about child support).
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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