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by Anonymous User on 06:28 AM May 7th, 2004 EST (#11)
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Just for the record, her name is Private Lynndie England of the Army's 372nd Military Police Company. She is 21 years old.
She's also a sex offender and a war criminal, and she needs to spend the rest of her life behind bars.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/st ory.jsp?story=518946
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by Anonymous User on 06:58 PM May 6th, 2004 EST (#2)
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Already the media has stated with the "it is not her style" to abuse. Also the female soldier involved (in EVERY picture of abuse) has not been charged by the military!!!
What the fuck is going on in this country?
When women and culture hold famle abusers to the same standard as men, perhaps "equality" will occur.
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by Anonymous User on 07:38 PM May 6th, 2004 EST (#3)
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America needs a conditioning course not on the abuse of American women taken in defeat, but abuse by American female soldiers in victory. The feminists call this progress.
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=65 22
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by Anonymous User on 08:16 PM May 6th, 2004 EST (#4)
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by Anonymous User on 12:18 PM May 8th, 2004 EST (#37)
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I just heard on Fox TV news this morning that Al Sadr has said that he wants "British female soldiers" captured so they can be held as "sex slaves."
I wonder why he specified "British." Perhaps american women's violence is just too repulsive for his taste.
Ray
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Would YOU want one?
And besides they know how the American press would react: "Another Jessica Lynch"
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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Guys, what is up with the women of this country? Do you know what this means? These damn femic*nts have succeeded. For the last third of the 20th century, the jezebels have been bitching and ho-ing about how they can do anything the men can do, but from this display of groping male prisoners in Iraq, not like this. This is a true abuse of power, and a despicable example of how women in this new century are shitting all over men! I just don't know what to say anymore, I mean day by day, I am growing to hate women and girls for what they have been and what they are doing to us. And to this day, I still don't trust or support the feminist organizations [e.g., IFeminists, Independent Women's Forum, NOW, etc.] for saying that they want equality but at our expense; they therefore have caused us enough trouble and heartache. Please don't shit on me for being ignorant, I have been learning about what these women are doing and to make an intelligent judgement, and that is to not trust, pamper, or please them anymore...
That portrait of female sexual violence against men in Iraq has now given me a reason why I should not take a woman as my wife. True they have more rights, true they have more freedoms, true we are proud of their progress, but they have blackened their hearts and severed the souls of men, turning them into their dildo-burning whipping boys!
Guys, you can call me any bad name you want for posting this, I'm not trolling this post, but this generation of women needs to rot in hell; granted, they are going to get what is coming to them...
Sadly,
Emmanuel Matteer Jr.
Emanslave@aol.com
P.S. I know it's been a while, but I've been busy lately...this summer, I'm planning to write a poem about the dark side of feminism called "My Name Is Jade", which relates to all of this!
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Just one comment. The Ifeminists and IWF are very different than NOW or the Feminist Majority and the plethora of other feminazi organizations.
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Actually, I'm with Emmanuel on this one. I see IWF and Ifems make enough statements on their sites (I don't refer to the occasional forum post from a visitor, but from the articles published on their main sites) to the point where I have completely written off the females of this era as just so much damaged goods. Until I see those 2 organizations and other womens organizations that claim to be 'man-freindly' become a LOT more aggresive in attacking and crushing those other nasty femdotorgs, femmes in general won't get an ounce of help from me.
Disclaimer: Everything I post is of course my own opinion. If it seems harsh, Feminazis just piss me off!
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I only know a bit about the IWF, and my opinion there is mixed.
Not so with iFeminists and Wendy McElroy (site owner). She's done a TON of debunking on feminazis and their lies ...
Give it some thought.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 11:53 AM May 7th, 2004 EST (#15)
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Steven, I agree that Wendy McElroy is more of a human rights supporter rather than a supporter of "gender specific rights". In my efforts with VIP/SAFE-NH I have come across and work with many women who are disgusted by the behavior of "anti-male feminists". When I work with men who are victims of Domestic Violence and they speak against ALL women...I remind them that this attitude is no more realistic than female victims who say that ALL men are abusive and horrible monsters. There are many women as well as men who truely believe that all victims deserve assistance and all abusers deserve consequences...regardless of gender!
Often , I simply tell people in a case such as the abuse of the prisoners in Iraq...reverse the genders...then tell me what you think is the right and fair way to react. This woman has no excuse for her behavior and to tell her mother that she was "in the wrong place at the wrong time" is an unacceptable excuse! Will they accept the same excuse from the male soldiers?
Her mother's apparent accceptance of this excuse is a sign, just like most bullies and abusers that their parents excuse away their children's behavior even when it harms the defenseless!
Regardless of gender...Bullies and abusers need consequences...and victims need help!
Also,I take it personally when men curse all women...because if my wife was not willing to support my work including financially, I would not be able to help male victims of Domestic Violence. Without funding for VIP/SAFE-NH she not only supports the 2 of us but also helps to support this organization. If not for her...I could not be available 24/7 for the victims we assist.
I hope that before some men condemn all women...they stop and think about being condemned because of the actions of other men...
as I say,reverse the genders and then think about it.
Thanks again Steven for adding your perspective.
Take care,
Lee Newman
Founding Executive Director:
Violence Intervention Program/SAFE-NH
http://www.VIP-NH.org
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by Anonymous User on 12:34 PM May 7th, 2004 EST (#18)
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Let's also not forget Trudy Schuett(SP?), Jen K., and our too long lost LadyRivka.
I agree with Emannuel, to a point. Now-a-days you can't easily tell the "good women" from the "bad" ones. I too am wary of ALL women untill I see or hear something that proves to me that they are NOT one of the many "bad ones".
Am I being overly cautious? You bet your a$$ I am. Because to operate other wise can be COSTLY, indeed!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
P.S.
LadyRivka, come home...!
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I was being very person specific, but TC has a good point also.
I am somewhat wary of women in general, but I don't suspect them of wrong doing until I personally witness it, or get the news from a reliable source.
We need to guard ourselves from taking "being cautious" to the extreme that gender feminists take of : "guilty until proven innocent - but send the check anyways"
I have personal and "professional" (as an MRA) reasons to sing Wendy's praises and defend her. If needed I will deliniate. But remember how when Glenn did a show about the "second wives" movement, and how he has had many female guests who have supported men and men's rights? Well, we don't want to alienate our WONDERFUL female supporters. I don't want to become like the feminazis I hate.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 01:07 PM May 9th, 2004 EST (#55)
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Lee,
Based on your short note, I'd say that your wife is a great person. Thanks for reminding us of women like her. What's she is doing is unusual and difficult (I can't even get some relatives to show any concern about violence against men, which makes me wonder about our culture and the state of their heart). Your wife is a hero!
Sincerely,
Peter
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by Anonymous User on 11:26 AM May 7th, 2004 EST (#13)
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The Ifeminists and IWF are very different than NOW or the Feminist Majority and the plethora of other feminazi organizations.
That may be, but I don't see them demanding the resignation of General Janis Karpinski. Their silence means more than words.
But if I'm wrong then please let me know, and provide some links where they are demanding the incarceration of General Karpinski for her torture of males.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 11:36 AM May 7th, 2004 EST (#14)
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Guys, what is up with the women of this country? Do you know what this means? These damn femic*nts have succeeded. For the last third of the 20th century, the jezebels have been bitching and ho-ing about how they can do anything the men can do, but from this display of groping male prisoners in Iraq, not like this. This is a true abuse of power, and a despicable example of how women in this new century are shitting all over men!
The fact that General Janis Karpinski and her female subordinates are able to get away with the torture of men is nothing new. This same stuff happens in American prisons under the watchful eye of female guards all the time.
The real change that is taking place is that American culture has now embraced the open practice of females torturing and abusing men in public.
The implications of this fact are profound. It means that in the workplace females will become more hostile and abusive of men. I've already observed a dramatic increase in the practice of women objectifying and abusing males for their own pleasure in the workplace, and it is understood that the males will not make a peep. Doing so places the male at fault and will subject the person to being fired.
So, get used to the new level of meanness and cruelty that feminists will be leveling at males over the next few years in the workplace, schools, in our prisons, and in public. It is now the accepted norm, and it isn’t going to change till 100’s of thousands of more men band together in solidarity and demand an end of the hostilities encouraged and sponsored by feminist.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 12:44 PM May 7th, 2004 EST (#19)
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Again, This is why I am so adamant about eliminateing the freaquent images in our media of men-in-bondage scenerios. This scenerio is often man on man (done for homoerotic purposes) or female on male.
We really need to squelch this so that the next generation of females are not conditioned to view men in this way and so that the next generation of males will not be taught through such images that he must simply "Shut up and take it..." AND that if he doesn't ENJOY being abused by a woman there is "something wrong with him", or he's "not a real man". or the other nonsensical things men who decry abuse are told or called by feminists or women in general.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I disagree, I think some nice women-in-bondage scenarios should be introduced, instead of no-bondage-scenarios. ;)
But, yeah, too much concentration on "men enjoy this" in reference to S/M.
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by Anonymous User on 12:00 AM May 9th, 2004 EST (#44)
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Maybe I'm a bit of a prude, Crescentlua. Okay I probably AM a bit of a prude, but I would rather see NOBODY-in-bondage scenerios.
I just think getting off sexualy on someone else's pain is a bit, well, wierd, I guess.
Just my oppinion, though.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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And to make things even worse is that the MEN in our society are so conditioned that they ACCEPT this kind of sexism/misandry!!!
Ask any male that is not "awakened" to the injustice towards and the plight of the modern human male and THEY will reply with feminist-programmed lines like:
-"Well, men have deserved it for treating women like sex objects." (note: automatically condemning ALL men.
-"What man *doesnt* want to be sexually harrased by a woman! Woohoo! Those men must be gay!" :rolleyes
-"I'm *sure* that this is a misunderstanding and the women involved are innocent."
-"Men still get the longer end of the 'stick'."
and the most common response:
"You must be a bitter, woman-hater for saying anything negative about women."
R
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by Anonymous User on 04:23 PM May 8th, 2004 EST (#38)
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And until we get the word out, men will continue to keep other men in line. Most men are not privy to the info we have, just newspapers, TV, radio, mags, etc. The thing the feminist most fear is that their lies and abuse will be made public and become the new common knowledge.
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by Anonymous User on 12:02 AM May 9th, 2004 EST (#45)
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I'd say that is already begining to happen.
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Notice on one of the prisoners' bodies the word "rapist" is written. I remember awhile ago when feminist students at the University that Scott attends scrawled "rapists" all over a fraternity house. Thomas and a few others who have been hanging around the site for awhile probably remember that incident. I wonder if and just how much feminist-inspired hate propaganda stating that "all men are potential rapists" had any influence on this Iraqi's treatment.
OMG, just imagine if that was a pile of naked females being sexually abused and ridiculed by a male guard. Methinks the media coverage would be a little different, no?
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It is odd that the Army and the Bush administration is allowing this female general who could possibly be charged under the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the Geneva Convention with committing war crimes to state her case on the public media. If she were really smart she would not say anything except the 5 sacred words, "I have nothing to say."
I don't know about being smart, but if she was a decent and honorable commander she would say something like, "I was in charge, I'm resposible and should be held accountable. While I realize words cannot change what happened, I apologize to these Iraqi men, to the Iraqi people, to the American people, and to the world."
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by Anonymous User on 02:47 PM May 7th, 2004 EST (#23)
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Yes, But remember, we live in a culture where WOMEN do not HAVE to apoligize, because feminists and wussie-poopie men make excuses for female "bad behavior" all the time.
(Being a woman means never haveing to say "You're sorry")
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 06:42 AM May 7th, 2004 EST (#12)
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Just for the record, her name is Private Lynndie England of the Army's 372nd Military Police Company. She is 21 years old.
She's also a sex offender and a war criminal, and she needs to spend the rest of her life behind bars.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/st ory.jsp?story=518946
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by Anonymous User on 08:46 PM May 7th, 2004 EST (#28)
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"It wasn't me, Ma! I mean, even though a picture is worth 1000 words, and all that, they forced me to lead the guy around by a leash! and smile! those evil men forced me to smile for the camera!" - I'm waiting for this statement.
:P Very, very sick.
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by Anonymous User on 10:48 PM May 8th, 2004 EST (#42)
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The media has stated that Pfc Lynndie is pregnant too. I believe they said 5 months pregnant now, and that she has come back to the U.S. to have her baby.
Did you notice that she is smoking in the pictures. Maybe that was before she was pregrnant, or around the time she became pregnant. I certainly hope she guit smoking for the babies sake.
I wonder who will have custody of the baby if Pfc. Lynndie winds up in Fort Levenworth, Kansas breaking and piling up rocks, instead of men?
I think the issues surrounding these events will be fascinating to watch unfold from a human rights perspective, and from an equal justice perspective, and maybe even some other perspectives I'm overlooking.
Ray
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This essay was written before the Abu Ghraib scandal, but I think it gives insight into the general attitide of the IWF regarding female responsibility. Here's the last paragraph: "In the end, we should expect women to understand this lesson as well. Women in power should be held to the same standards as men, and should exercise their authority with a clear-eyed responsibility. Women should be able to wield force when necessary. That is real power. And it is a game with gender-neutral rules."
It's worth noting the popularity of Boadicea, the bloodthirsty queen, who so brutally revolted against the Romans in ancient Britain. The essay doesn't state it, but Boadicea once said, "This is a woman's resolve. As for the men, they may live and be slaves!" Boadicea, incidentally, is revered almost to the point of sainthood by the burgeoning women's branch of the Aryan supremacist movement.
As for Wendy MeElroy, the subject, of American women enjoying the sexual debasement of men at Abu Ghraib, would be an excellent topic for a FoxNews.com essay. We'll see.
Thomas
-- Creating hostile environments for feminazis since the 1970s.
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There's been evidence that the Iraqis have, in some cases, treated female prisoners of war better than their male counterparts. As a result of the atrocities committed at Abu Ghraib, however, that situation may change. In fact, we're already seeing signs of this.
Al-Sadr is a radical Muslim cleric. A recent Fox News article on his rejection of Bush's apology states, "one of al-Sadr's senior aides told worshippers in Basra that anyone capturing a female British soldier can keep her as a slave."
As a side point, it's worth bearing in mind that, though the person in charge was a woman, men were also engaged in carrying out the debasement and torture at Abu Ghraib. In addition, some of the victims of debasement and torture by Americans and Brits in this war have been women. The problem is society's historical and current failure to hold women to the same level of responsibility as men. However, anyone, who believes that historically "it's women who do the torturing," is either woefully ignorant or utterly delusional. I don't doubt that there is at least as high a percantage of women as men, who would like to engage in torture, but society has more often given men the opportunity in war. Dr. Mengele comes readily to mind.
Thomas
-- Creating hostile environments for feminazis since the 1970s.
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Can you imagine what's going to happen WHEN the next U.S. female "soldier" is captured by the Iraqui resistance / terrorists?
Jessica Lynch was given medical care and protection by her Iraqui doctors and nurses before the US rescue team got her back to friendlier territory.
You think in light of the recent U.S. sex-abuse atrocities that the next female POW will get the same compassionate treatment?
It's only a matter of time until we'll find out.
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on 06:43 PM May 7th, 2004 EST (#27)
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We have only begun to live the hell that feminism will bring down upon us.
Exactly. We can expect many more attacks and the form of much more terrorism on American soil and for extreme forms of feminist oppression of all males before men wake up and "get it."
Warble
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1104164.htm
A female soldier who has appeared in widely published photograph leading a naked Iraqi prisoner by a leash has been charged with maltreating a detainee
Private First Class Lynndie England, 21, will face an Article 32 hearing, the military equivalent of a grand jury, to determine whether she will be ordered to face court martial, the army said.
"She was charged with four different specifications - engaging in a conspiracy to maltreat Iraqi detainees, assault on Iraqi detainees on multiple occasions, committing acts prejudicial to good order and discipline and that bring discredit upon the armed forces, and committed an indecent act," said Lieutenant Colonel Marie Battaglia, an army spokesman.
She was the seventh soldier to be charged in the scandal.
England, a pregnant 21-year-old Army reservist with the 372nd Military Police Company, served in Iraq and was recently sent to Fort Bragg in Fayetteville, North Carolina.
The human resources administrator is not in detention and is performing duties at a headquarters company for a military police brigade at the base, the officials said.
As the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal made headlines, photographs of England inside the Abu Ghraib prison have been widely shown in the news media.
One showed her giving a thumbs-up sign in front of naked prisoners.
Her family lawyer, Roy Hardy, says the infamous photographs in which she appears are not proof of anything.
"The pictures don't tell the full story, you don't know what was going on behind her, beside her, you don't know why the photos were taken, you don't know anything except you have a picture."
Another showed her holding a leash attached to a naked, prostrate prisoner's neck.
If convicted at a court-martial, penalties could include reprimand, pay forfeiture, confinement and a punitive discharge, Fort Bragg officials said.
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The following is copied from the Drudge Report:
MP charged with abuse of prisoners says there was little training, and no rules; Discusses 'Breaking Down' Prisoners... MORE... Spec. Sabrina Harman, 26, from Alexandria, VA, tells WASHPOST Saturday her job was to keep prisoners 'awake, make it hell so they would talk'... Harman is accused by the Army of taking photographs of nude human pyramid and photographing and videotaping detainees who were ordered to strip and masturbate in front of other prisoners and soldiers... She is also charged with striking several prisoners by jumping on them as they lay in a pile; with writing 'rapeist' on a prisoner's leg; and with attaching wires to a prisoner's hands while he stood on a box with his head covered. She told him he would be electrocuted if he fell off the box... Developing...
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by Anonymous User on 01:56 AM May 8th, 2004 EST (#31)
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Nicely done Ray. BAM BAM BAM you hit the nail on the head.
(not very coherrent as i just woke up)
But thought it was a great letter.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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During the Somalia debacle a teenaged boy caught looting was beaten to death by Canadian troops. This was the worst black eye on Canada's international image in the entire twentieth century. Canada's elite airbourne division was disbanded over it when photographic evidence of prisoner abuse hit the media.
Here are the lessons learned...first elite close combat killers and jailers have two VERY different skill sets. Using soldiers as jailers is simply a mistake...they are not properly trained for it.
Second (and Amnesty International used to know this very well before they were commandeered into being more concerned about Islamic kafias)torture simply does not work. The regimes that give up the practice of torturing prisoners do so when they realize that torture does not work, not when they realize that torture is nasty...they already know that.
Why does torture not work? Because of the simple dynamics of the physical and psycological effects of adrenaline. Adrenaline initially induces fear. If you manage to break your victim with the threat of torture, that's as good as it gets.
However, if you mutliate, humiliate, or induce hyperthreshold pain in your victim that fear transforms into RAGE (basic fight/flight response of adrenaline). Then your victim will hit you back in the only way he can...by not giving you what you want. History is just jam packed with stories that will verify what I say.
The best approach to getting information (which may indeed reduce needless bloodshed in a war situation) is what the KGB used to do...tag team interrogation combined with sleep depravation...it will break anyone in a matter of days and even if you are caught doing it you are not going to look like such a bad guy.
All torturers make the same mistake. They assume that everyone else is as cowardly as they are and almost invariably inflict on their victim the thing that they themselves fear most. Dishing it out to someone who is in no position to fight back is cowardice...plain and simple.
(No offence intended Thundercloud). The Huron and Pawnee tribes were generally viewed with contempt by their neighbours because in those tribes men tortured the war captives, In most other tribes, that task was turned over to women. Fronteersmen who were aware of this would insult male captors by calling their tortures "the actions of a squaw".
As Rudyard Kipling said "If you're wounded and left on Afganistan's plains, and the women crawl out to carve up what remains, just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains, and go to your God like a soldier"
It does not supprise me that a woman participated in the sexual humiliation of male captives. This was done to people from a culture that deems revenge to be a sacred duty. This will not go well for Americans now taken captive...particularly women.
When that happens, it will of course be used as feminazi propaganda.
In terms of the sexual humiliation of captives as well as in terms of rape I believe in a simple principle...if an innocent woman is out in the woods picking berries and gets mauled by a rogue grizzly...that animal must be brought down.
If a woman gets mauled while she is baiting a chain tethered bear...saying that this is evidence of the bear's evil nature is ridiculous.
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....until England plays the victim card. Her family has already started fanning the flames of victimhood on her behalf, claiming that she was only doing "what she was told to do".
Soon you'll be hearing claims that she is being punished because she's a woman, that women don't do those sorts of evil things, that she was being baited, that she is being made an example of, that she is being punished more harshly than the men, blah blah blah blah......
Just wait......
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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....until England plays the victim card. Her family has already started fanning the flames of victimhood on her behalf, claiming that she was only doing "what she was told to do".
Even better than that, she has grabbed the ultimate female shield - she is now 4 months pregnant. hmmmmm It is now May, month 5, she got caught in January, month 1, 5-1 = 4 -- whaddya know?
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by Anonymous User on 10:53 PM May 8th, 2004 EST (#43)
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"she is now 4 months pregnant. hmmmmm It is now May, month 5, she got caught in January, month 1, 5-1 = 4 -- whaddya know?"
I guess it must have been sexually stimulating for her to be humiliating and abusing all those naked men.
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by Anonymous User on 12:06 AM May 9th, 2004 EST (#46)
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Yep.
That's sort of what I alluded to, earlier.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 11:30 AM May 8th, 2004 EST (#36)
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"The cover up has already begun. ...naked male Iraqi prisoners of war were humiliated into forced sex simulations and endured female taunting of their genitals. The Army has photographs that show a detainee with wires attached to his genitals."
"If you remember how the feminists used Tailhook (an incident where male officers were accused of touching some women) as a national outrage to effect change within the “patriarchal” military, what should be the logical outcome of this mess? If the genders were reversed, the media would still be force feeding us this atrocity, and any male general in charge would already likely be out of power."
America is a great and free land that has historically provided freedom to millions of people seeking the safety of its shores. America is also a land that has not only routinely denied justice to targeted groups of people, it is a land that still uses its laws to target and persecute groups of people to this day. Currently all men in america are the big time targets of america's hate. What happened at Abu Ghraib is no isolated incident, no aberration, it is the norm of modern american justice and one need look no further than all the man-hating injustice that has come out of today's domestic violence industry to overwhelmingly prove that point. Although all the specific tortures of Abu Ghraib may not be repeated in exact detail in america's gender feminist, domestic violence industry gulag, the ideology, the modus operandi are overwhelmingly the same, (if not worse) than that used at Abu Ghraib.
The individuals running today's Domestic Violence Industry are masters of torture, intimidation, humiliation, insults, and abuse of innocent men. In fact the domestic violence industry could give lessons in inhumanity and cruelty to those "G.I. amateurs" at Abu Ghraib Although the monsters running america's domestic violence industry, and the batterer's programs are not physically as torturing as Sadaam's henchmen, or our own Abu Ghraib G.I’s, they certainly are still in a class with those man-hating torturers.
The man-hating bigots in america’s domestic violence industry are routinely more concerned about getting a confession for a conjured up offense, than they are about fact finding and establishing actually truth, then dealing with that set of circumstances. The debilitating effects of that hate stays with the innocent male victims of that hate for the rest of their lives. Those sadists at the domestic violence industry are masters of a mental cruelty that has a more long lasting and deleterious effect on its male victims than most physical torture.
I have no doubts that all of the females implicated at Abu Ghraib will have no trouble finding jobs in the multi-billion dollar VAWA (Violence Against Women Act) domestic violence industry just as soon as "american, gender feminist justice" rationalizes away all their misbehavior, and gives them a token “slap on the wrist.” After all, the domestic violence industry teaches that it's all about “power and control,” and in their eyes that’s a “Patriarchal” (male) prerogative only. According to them, men use “power and control” over women so all those females involved at Abu Ghraib must have been “helpless victims” of the "male patriarchal system." Accordingly, they must have actually been “battered women” who were “unable to flee” the “male cycle of violence.” Please notice all the domestic violence industry terms in quotes that are the same terms used in women's studies programs and classes.
Yes, the gender feminists have invented and redefined language to give specific meanings to all those words. You will find that double speak, femi-babble throughout all the "women's industries." I understand what they are trying to say in those rationalizations, but I just keep coming back to those pictures and thinking, "what about all the big smiles prominently displayed on the faces of those females (and males)? They looked like they were actually proud and enjoying what they were doing. ...and isn’t this an all volunteer Army?
Oh yes, “male power and control” is everywhere so “female victimhood” is everywhere and females can never be responsible for the violence they commit. I forgot how that always works under VAWA’s (femi-babble).
Using the Duluth Wheel and other Domestic Violence power and control models it is just impossible that these women can be abusers. If they were labeled as abusers, that would throw off the entire philosophy of today's domestic violence industry, and we can't have that. America would then have to admit they've been torturing innocent men (their own citizens) for the last decade or so under the man-hating domestic violence laws of VAWA.
After we complete the investigation of Abu Ghraib in Iraq, we need to look very hard at every domestic violence case in america brought under VAWA, then go back and incarcerate the hate monger bigots who abused all those america men, while violating their constitutional and human rights. After we finish that, we really need to prosecute all those outlaw, elected, gender feminist representatives that authored and lobbied for VAWA in the 1st place, knowing full well they were contributing to the waging of america’s unlawful hate war on Father’s and men.
Considering the lack of media coverage of the hate war that is clandestinely waged against all Father's men in the name of gender feminism I fear we will not soon see coverage of the real atrocities perpetrated against our own male citizens (by our own government) anytime soon.
Gender feminists are the real terrorist enemy of free human beings everywhere on planet earth as evidenced by the atrocities perpetrated against men at Abu Ghraib, and in america.
Very Truly Yours, Ray
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by Anonymous User on 10:17 AM May 9th, 2004 EST (#48)
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You feel exactly as I do.
I am a victim of a lying vindictive ex who used the DV industry to humiliate, denigrate and punish me as a means of disposal after she was caught cheating. Without any real evidence of abuse - just words and a few tears, I was denied bail for over a week, given a year long restraining order that removed me from my property, my name published in local paper, forced in programs and probation. In jail I was chained, strip searched, de-loused, and thrown into a cell with a convicted felon on arraignment alone. She got to maintain her victimhood in out community and made me the monster. Her sister works in the DV industry. I would like to add that real violent incidents of a non-domestic nature were not treated the same as my mine. Me, and a guy who fired a gun at someone were the only ones denied bail.
My mistake - she accused men before I was in her life of violence. I should have been long gone, but I believed her lies....
Trust me, modern women do not care about justice, they only care that they can do whatever they want - whenever they want without any accountability. The lesbians in media and socila services have dedicated their pathetic lives in criminizing men. Accountability is a man's burden now.
I will spend the rest of my days fighting feminism's hatred of men.
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by Anonymous User on 10:58 AM May 9th, 2004 EST (#52)
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"I will spend the rest of my days fighting feminism's hatred of men."
Welcome brother.
"The lesbians in media and socila services have dedicated their pathetic lives in criminizing men."
Yes, in Los Angeles We have the Los Angeles Police Dept., but everybody knows that LAPD really stands for Lesbian Ambassadors Promoting Deceit, when it comes to domestic violence laws.
"Trust me, modern women do not care about justice, they only care that they can do whatever they want - whenever they want without any accountability."
We do think alike. A long time ago I said that the number of men knowing the truth about gender feminist tyranny will grow, because we live in a society that is dedicated to make all men criminals and all women victims so the wealth can be redistrbiuted under the Red Feminism that is the law of the land in man-hating places like Massachusetts, California, Colorado, etc.
Ray
(Click) Female False Accusers Have No Accountability
(Click) Law Exploits Innocent Men and Rewards Violent Women
(Click) Blind, Feminist Trained Judges
(Click) Radical Feminist Influence In Law
(Click) Gender Feminist Crimes Pay
(Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All the info I am trying to convey is only as the page comes up initially.)
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The woman is a war criminal and a sex criminal, and should be tried accordingly. The feminist apologists for her behavior should consider that ANY apology for her reprehensible behavior will serve as ammunition against the United States by terrorist groups. The rush to excuse her behavior undermines the ideal of gender neutral justice and places lives in jeopardy. The same goes for all of the war criminals involved, male or female.
As for any naive notion that females are more nurturing than males, I believe the broadcast news of these sordid photographs have exploded that pathetic myth.
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by Anonymous User on 12:08 AM May 9th, 2004 EST (#47)
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Come on we can't judge ALL women based on the actions of this one woman.
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by Anonymous User on 10:29 AM May 9th, 2004 EST (#49)
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"Come on we can't judge ALL women based on the actions of this one woman."
I didn't take what he said as saying that we should judge all women based on the acitons of this one, however giving this female a pass does encourage international terrorism as well as terrorism by females right here in America.
The CA Attrorney General Bill Lochyer reports, that in the 10 year time period from 1988 to 1998 the number of women arrested for domestic violence went up 392%. And this during a Draconian hate war against Fathers and men employing tactics like the primary aggressor doctrine. Each year in that 10 year period the rate increased as well. Clearly the hate war agianst men through hate laws such as the CA domestic violence laws are empowering to females to terrorize and batter the heck out of innocent men.
I for one am sick of it. I made the T-shirt below about a month or two ago. I think Mother's Day would be a good day to ask, "What Can Women Do to Stop Their Violence Against Men," after all the Domestic Violence Industry already targets Father's Day to ask "What Men Can Do to Stop Their Violence Against Women."
Ray
(Click) Female Terrorism
(Click) What Can Women Do To Stop Their Violence
(Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All the info I am trying to convey is only as the page comes up initially.)
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Come on we can't judge ALL women based on the actions of this one woman.
Ah yes, the tired old "But not ALL women are like that" canard.
And, not all men are rapists, abusers, misogynists, or patriarchs - but we are all treated in this culture like we are, and I have yet to hear someone toss in a "But not ALL men are like that" in any discussion of the evils and excesses of men.
It amazes me how that stupid and useless phrase pops up every time men attempt to demolish the mythology of perfection and total innocence which has allowed women to get away with literal murder. "Andrea Yates serially murdered 5 children" - "Yes, BUT NOT ALL women are like that."
It has nothing to do with anything - SOME women are, and some of us men are going to keep hammering on that fact until we make some sort of dent in the unbelievable wall of cultural denial that women are every bit as capable of truly evil acts as men are, and that men are every bit as capable of nobility and self-sacrifice as women are.
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Come on we can't judge ALL women based on the actions of this one woman.
Who is "judging" all women? The putative superior virtue of the "oppressed" is being impugned. The numerous pictures of Private England serve to undermine certain popular feminist canards in such a way as to make them forever beneath contempt:
That women are always more oppressed than men in every conceivable circumstance.
FALSE: the photos show a female oppressor, a female war criminal, a female sex abuser, a female torturer of men who enjoys her work.
That men are responsible for all the evil of the world, and women are their oppressed victims.
NONSENSE: look at the photographs.
The desperate attempt to explain away the actions of this purportedly singular female, this anomaly among a population of unilaterally oppressed nurturing females, who, according to feminist dogma, owe their solidarity to the trans-cultural, trans-historical "fact" of their oppression, undermine's the United State's attempt to atone for this nightmare, and is placing lives in jeopardy. How? By promulgating the insulting myth that females can do no wrong, when the is stunning photographic evidence that they are every bit as capable of evil as the men whom they claim are universally and uniquely responsible for it.
The government ought to consider ordering England's lawyer to keep silent in public, as a matter of national security. Protestations that the photographic evidence are out of context won't pacify the Iraqi's, and also serve to undermine the sincerity of U.S. apologies. Still, it pales before the chorus of feminist goodwill towards Pvt. England.
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Warble makes a good point:
The fact that General Janis Karpinski and her female subordinates are able to get away with the torture of men is nothing new. This same stuff happens in American prisons under the watchful eye of female guards all the time.
I had forgotten this. It's not an isolated incident. My brothers are police officers; one of them used to work as a corrections officer. These things happen. So, no one doesn't generalize from an isolated example; one generalizes from the numerous examples that abound.
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by Anonymous User on 10:58 AM May 9th, 2004 EST (#51)
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"It sounds like a Sci-Fi movie conceived in the mind of Betty Friedan: Misogynist Muslim males in an Iraqi prison under the control of a female general are leashed like dogs for the amusement of female guards during a game of carnal hijinks"
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=65 35
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by Anonymous User on 11:20 AM May 9th, 2004 EST (#53)
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Why are we shocked by these images from Abu Ghraib, but when the victims are women (or gay men) the images are called pornography or "adult entertainment"? Why can we easily see the violations of human beings in one set of images, but miss it in others? What if the Iraqi men had been forced to smile, could we be convinced that there was a newly formed "publishing and film production" company in Baghdad instead of sexual abuse and humiliation being perpetrated?
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/hughes200405 060834.asp
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by Anonymous User on 01:22 PM May 9th, 2004 EST (#56)
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Umm, because person who act in porn films do so voluntarily, and are paid for their services. Those men abused in Iraqi jails didn't volunteer to be there, and aren't being paid.
Is it really so difficult to understand the difference between porn and a female viciously abusing a highly vulnerable, imprisoned male?
This sort of feminist rationalization and excuse making is revolting.
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by Anonymous User on 04:49 PM May 9th, 2004 EST (#60)
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Oh geezus, I hate anti-porn feminists, they make the worst possibly cases for themselves when they say dumbass crap like this. Yeah, there are some valid anti-porn arguments, but not found here. To compare a woman who voluntary acts in porn to someone who is being tortured is idiotic - for several reasons, as another poster pointed out. Those "violations of human beings" are hardly violations if one consents to it! I know of several pornography companies that only showcase acts between husbands and wives or, at least, significant others. Which could bring us to the idea of "all heterosexual sex is rape" scenario, another stupid feminist idea.
"Forced" is not the same phrase as "offered money for"
Finally, the actions at Abu Ghraib could not be sold in the US as any type of porn, no matter the gender/sexual orientation of the persons portrayed - the US DOES frown upon actual torture, death and sexual acts with minors portrayed in pornography - something that apparently the female soliders there didn't!
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by Anonymous User on 11:53 AM May 11th, 2004 EST (#63)
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Just more typical feminist double talk, hypocricy and double standards.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I've already read two mainstream articles whose point is "how could women do such things?" As we used to say in the '60's, this is a radicalizing event, i.e. an event that educates as to the true nature of things. These photos strike a blow for common sense. They show as words cannot that women are not the innocents they so often claim to be. Place them in the same circumstances as men and they are every bit as capable of shameful, violent behavior. It'll be interesting to see how they talk their way out of this one. Karpinski has already claimed to be "shocked, shocked" and that she had no idea what was happening. That didn't work for the German Nazi hierarchy. I wonder if her head will roll.
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Karpinski has already claimed to be "shocked, shocked" and that she had no idea what was happening.
That by itself should be enough reason for her head to roll - the phrase is "in command", and if she didn't know what was going on, she obviously wasn't, which means she had no business having the position she did.
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