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by Anonymous User on 01:17 PM April 30th, 2004 EST (#1)
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The only thing worse than a wussie-poopie is a bunch of ORGANIZED wussie-poopies. Which is exactly what that group of men are.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 01:33 PM April 30th, 2004 EST (#3)
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Doubtless this is a creation of (and is funded by) the feminazis with a few token male stooges.
Hotspur
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by Anonymous User on 09:41 PM April 30th, 2004 EST (#19)
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This is an e-mail that I have sent to this group on behalf of the male victims of DV.
We are a resource for men who are victims of Domestic Violence.
We are based in NH but we are very concerned that men would only focus on violence against women when in fact Domestic Violence is a human issue not a gender issue.
Male victims of Domestic Violence are the victims without a voice,the victims that people do not want to recognize because it challenges what our society believes to be true.
Would it not be a better mission for your organization if you spoke out about the violence ending for ALL victims? If you...as a man knew a friend who was being assaulted by his wife...or if it was happening to you...you might see the need for this initiative to become "gender- inclusive.
Please look at our attachments,visit our website and learn about us so that maybe we can work with your organization as a resource for the male victims ,the other underserved victims and THEIR children who also suffer the devastating effects of Domestic Violence.
We hope that you will reply to this e-mail or call us ,as we often get calls from male victims in Mass.
Take care,
Lee Newman www.VIP-NH.org
Lee Newman
Executive Director/President Violence Intervention Program/SAFE-NH
P O Box 523
Rochester, NH 03867
VIP@QuixNet.net tel:
fax: 603-859-0859
603-297-0244
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Nice professionally written letter.
Total thumbs up on your effort!
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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Thanks Steven.
We have yet to hear back from them regarding this e-mail. I think that I will have to place a call to them as a follow up.
I will update here with what will certainly be an "interesting" conversation.
Take care,
Lee Newman
Lee Newman
Founding Executive Director:VIP/SAFE-NH
P O Box 523, Rochester,NH 03867
Phone:603-859-0859
Fax: 603-297
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by Anonymous User on 01:27 PM April 30th, 2004 EST (#2)
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In case anyone in Boston does want to do something, there is an NCFM rep in Boston, Jason Leatherman, who you can find by clicking on "chapters" at the national NCFM website www.ncfm.org
Also, someone may want to contact Cathy Young, since she regularly writes for the Boston Globe, or used to, and is good on domestic violence matters. Her email address is probably on the internet somewhere, or Glenn Sacks probably has it. glenn@glennsacks.com
Marc
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we over here at the men's project at umassd would love to help if we could
anyhting we can do?
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as far as info goes i,ve show you our mission statement and an articl about us that got printed in the school paper (the torch)
as far as our methods of disemminating info our primary methods are by word of mouth and by flyer. however we are going to take part in a disscusion about the draft with other school orgs on the 4th and then disseminate massive amounts of info form a booth during spring fest on the 8th.we are also thinking of collect donations for the domestic abuse helpline fo men.
and surprisingly the feminists on campus have not only not gone loco they seem down right friendly!! it's quiet too quiet
Mission statement of the Men’s Project at The University of Massachusetts at Dartmouth
The follow is a set of goals to be eventual accomplished over the course of the program other goals may be add by majority vote at a later date
Objectives
I. Promote a positive male image to community
A. By reaching out the communities through charities, and community activity centers (YMCA, YWCA, Treatment on demand, etc)
B. By providing positive, encouraging father figures to for young boys and girls whose fathers are not present in their life.
II. Decrease the growing educational gap between girls and boys.
A. by encouraging young boys to develop reading skills by reading to them
B. by providing mentoring services and aid to young men who are falling behind in school.
III. To educate, support, and promote the values of responsible fatherhood
A. by encouraging new teenage fathers to take responsibility for their actions
B. by encouraging fathers to take an active role by educating them of the importance of fathers in their children’s lives.
C. encourage new fathers to take any available parenting courses
IV. Raise awareness and consciousness for male victims of domestic violence and sexual assault
A. by providing a group of men and women willing to listen with a open mind, and confidentiality (if desired) to such victims
B. Act as a reference point for all male victims to be directed towards the proper resource that would be capable of helping them further.
V. Provide a healthy venue with trust and security for all men and women
A. by tolerating all men and women of all races , creeds, religions, political views, and sexualities.
B. By raising awareness of how misandry ( sexist attitudes and hatred towards men) harms all men and women in the university community
VI. Recruit young men in at risk communities.
A. become active in raising awareness for men’s issues through community centers (such as churches and schools )
B. Teach young men to be concerned for and involved in their communities
VII. Act as an activist organization for men’s health issues and act towards promoting more reproductive choices for men.
A. Promote men’s health issues (Prostate and testicular cancer, the overall shorter life span of men) on and off the campus.
B. Act towards ending violence ( three out of four victims of violent crime are men) among men
C. Help to create a wider knowledge of available contraceptives among men as well as creating a demand for more effective and reasonable methods
VIII. Oppose and work to eliminate discriminatory policies
A. Work towards the elimination of the selective service act (the draft)
B. Work towards the reform of various governmental agencies which discriminate against men
IX. Establish a Men’s Resource Center on campus
What Is This Men’s Project Anyway?
By Tony Pacitti
Recently on the corkboards around campus, students may have noticed some fliers that gave statistics regarding to men. For example, one statistic reads that 44% of men are currently attending and graduating from college and that rate is decreasing. Another states that 75% of the victims of violent crimes, including domestic abuse, are men. Among an array of fliers that discuss issues involving women and minorities, this particular piece of paper tends to stick out. While statistics pertaining to men belonging to minorities tend to be more known to people, statistics that cover males as one large group, regardless of their background, are not as often talked about. That’s what the purpose of this ad is, to snag your attention and raise interest in one of the campus’ newest organizations, the Men’s Project. Recently, I was able to talk to the group’s founder, James Denning, and get the background story on UMD’s Men’s Project.
Tony: So what gave you the idea to start the Men’s Project?
James: I decided to start a men’s organization due to a long-standing interest in gender related issues, particularly those affecting men. I first grew a real serious interest in these matters while wrestling in high school; I was frustrated by the lack of men’s college wrestling teams due to improper application of title nine. As my interest grew, I decided that I would have to do something about these issues, in name form, the Men’s Project. I dedicated myself to forming myself to forming this project when I viewed a story on a website about a similar program set up at Pierce College in California, and I thought to myself that I could continue thinking about starting this program or I could do something about it.
Tony: When you started this project, were you on your own, or did you have people helping you out?
James: At the very beginning of the organization, I was alone. However, I was quickly made aware of the fact that Steve Burton, an employee here at Umass was attempting to start a men’s resource center, so we met and decided to combine our efforts into to the organization of the Men’s Project and eventually towards forming the center. Various other people, such as Rose Grace of the Unity House, Juli Parker of the Woman’s Resource Center and Professor Reeves of the sociology department, who is our faculty advisor, have been very helpful in getting the organization off the ground
Tony: What are your future plans for the Men’s Project?
James: At the moment we are building a base of support on campus by raising awareness of social problems that effect men (fatherless ness in society, the educational gap between boys and girls, men’s health and male victims of domestic and sexual assault) and in turn effect the whole of society. After we have done that, our larger goal is to become an activist organization that will work to affect change in the outside community as well as on the campus itself.
Tony: When getting this project off the ground, did you ever fear that some women might not react well to it, maybe at first glance thinking that what you were doing was chauvinistic?
James: I anticipated a negative reaction from some women, but for the most part those who I discuss it with generally see that solving the particular problems that we are trying to solve in this organization doesn’t make one anti-woman, in fact anyone who has anti-woman beliefs, or of course, anti-male beliefs, is not welcome or wanted in our group. Overall, however, the response from women towards our little group has really been better than I expected.
If you are interested in learning more about the Men’s Project, or would like to know where and when the next meeting will be, you can e-mail James at MensProjectUMD@aol.com.
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It's one of the biggest anti-male crimes there is.
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My HOR (Home of Record) is Boston.
Anything I can do to help. I'll write a ltter to Cathy Young too. JimmyD, if there is anything I can do let me know.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 04:25 PM April 30th, 2004 EST (#12)
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You can start by calling their main number and letting them know that you oppose their male hate agenda. Here is the number:
(978) 744-6841
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 05:37 PM April 30th, 2004 EST (#15)
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by Anonymous User on 02:14 PM April 30th, 2004 EST (#4)
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Call their 24 hour hotline and demand to know why they teach male hate. Here is the number:
(978) 744-6841
They will claim to have literature that helps men, but their isn't a single thing on their site that explains that men can get help or need help.
Call them on it and don't take no for an answer. It blows their minds.
Warble
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These deluded men are solidly in the rad fem Duluth Model camp of DV propaganda.
Like all such miscreants, their whole take on domestic conflict is based on the feminist "Evil Patriarchy" mythology, seasoned with lots of misandry, self-loathing, and denial of reality.
Some of the sickest and most warped men I have ever met come from this breed of psychologically castrated, brainwashed feminist servants.
There is some merit to a few of their recommendations to stop DV; however, since they tell only half the story, their intentions are more than a little suspicious.
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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Thanks for the number. I gotta call them. This will be fun. Don't forget if you call to make sure you got your DV facts/talking-points in front of you to refute their BS. And look at their site to make sure you can use their own facts against them.
They make it so easy.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 04:22 PM April 30th, 2004 EST (#11)
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...make sure you got your DV facts/talking-points in front of you to refute their BS....
My favorite talking point, the one that blows their f___n mind, it the one where they state, "Recognize that domestic violence is every man's responsibility." After quoting this, I asked why aren't women held responsible for their violence against men by HAWC? Why does HAWC teach the hatred of males in this manner? They have no come back.
Then they'll ask if you need help. Answer yes. Then explain that you need their organization to stop teaching the hatred of males, the sanctioning of violence against males, and the criminalization of innocent males by violent females and bigoted officers.
Of course they will deny these facts and claim that they do not teach male hate. Then you can simply ask where they advertise services for males, and teach that female on male violence is DV? They of course will have no comeback again because their site is about male hate.
Be polite, but be firm. Make certain that you will not tolerate their hate-based agenda.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 04:39 PM April 30th, 2004 EST (#14)
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Here are some more numbers to call so that you can politely but firmly attack these male haters:
Tina Nieves,
Domestic Violence Program Coordinator
Beverly Domestic Violence Unit (978) 922-1212 or Beverly Police Department (978) 922-1155
Peg Tiberio, Domestic Violence Program Coordinator Salem Hospital (978) 354-4383
Be certain to have your talking points, and be certain to demand that they explain how they are helping male victims of DV. Also, you should demand to know how they prevent false arrests, false reports, and what their protective measures are to prevent evil females from victimizing innocent males.
Warble
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I'm not sure I wanna call more. I mean, I don't mind doing it, but they REALLY treat you like you're doing something wrong.
I'll not be calling the police number, but maybe This Tina person.
We'll see.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 03:27 PM May 2nd, 2004 EST (#39)
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Don't waste your time. It's depressing talking with anti-male hate mongers. It's much more fun and productive, in my opinion, to talk with open-minded but ignorant people. Some persons that I've spoken with about DV against men have looked into the issue and told me that they are appalled at what's going on in the DV industry.
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by Anonymous User on 10:56 AM May 3rd, 2004 EST (#47)
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Don't waste your time. It's depressing talking with anti-male hate mongers.
Don't let the haters get to you. We have the moral high ground, and we are obligated to call the haters and demand that they stop their hate-based agenda.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 10:54 AM May 3rd, 2004 EST (#46)
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I'm not sure I wanna call more. I mean, I don't mind doing it, but they REALLY treat you like you're doing something wrong.
That is what makes this so much fun! They really hate males that point out their hate-based agenda. They cannot stand the idea that males might be victims in need of equal access to resources which they want to reserve exclusively for women.
Never forget the days of the Jim Crow laws. If those laws were challenged in any way why then you were really doing something evil. If you challenged the church on inter-racial marriage then you were seen as the devil. It's the same thing here.
Warble
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I wonder is there a paper trail of just who funds these bozos. I know there's feminazi seed money which is then probably augmented by twisting the arms of the business community. Billboards and Clear Channel sponsoring. How can they get 485 guilt-stricken men to do their bidding while MRAs are lucky to get 48? $$$$ Well, I wouldn't know how to go about it but wouldn't it be great if a men's group could set up a dummy DV org. just to get funding, then turned around and told the truth about DV and opened a men's shelter.
As for the members themselves, in addition to being brainwashed, they are probably ex-batterers themselves. (Well, some may have had female relatives who were victims, but damn.) The founding members are undoubtedly male-feminists who were urged to "do what's right."
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by Anonymous User on 10:57 AM May 3rd, 2004 EST (#48)
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I know there's feminazi seed money which is then probably augmented by twisting the arms of the business community
As a non-profit organization they are require to disclose all of their sources of funding upon a written demand. This is one of the best ways to drive up their administrative costs.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 08:29 PM April 30th, 2004 EST (#17)
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"Bumper stickers that state “Strong men don’t bully” are all over Northern Boston area. If you look at the websites, it is easy to tell that this activism is blown out of proportion."
Ever been sitting at a light, when some guy behind you honks and gives you a big thumbs up? "Oh yea," you say, "I forgot about those bumpers stickers on the back of my Ford wagon." True story, several times over.
Tell the man-hating batterers in the domestic voilence movement what you think of them in the court of public opinion.
Ray
(Click) DV1
(Click) DV2
(Click) DV3
(Click) DV4
(Click) DV5
(Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All the info I am trying to convey is only as the page comes up initially.)
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For anyone living in the Boston area this would be a good time to download the DV flyers on this website and hand them out to the poor pussywimps up there. Maybe it would open their minds to the other 50% of the DV story.
These flyers are very good! Use them!
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I have a brother that was in a marraige, were his wife would constantly abuse him. I'm not talking the little things either. I'm talking about grabbing tools ( hammers, screw drivers, nail gun), knives anything that would create major bodily harm and threaten to use them. I have witnessed this on a few occasions. I have seen her go as far as pushing the tip of the knife into his chest, ans yes drawing blood. What it would boild down to is that she would throw a temper tantrum because she didn't get her way.
Him and I had many discussions about the abuse. In the beginning he didn't want to press charges or get a divorce. He wanted to try and make the relationship work, he wanted to try and turn her around. What can I say, He loved her.
Now fast forward three years. I wont go into alot of detail, that way the post doest get out of hand...lol. I was in a abusive marraige. She was sweet and kind when we dating, but two weeks after the proverbial " I Do" it whent to crud, but I didn't relize it for about a year. Now your all probably thinking, I hid all the tools and knives in the house, but I didnt. Her abuse was Emotional and Mental abuse. All the talks I had with my brother never crossed my mind. With him it was trying to figure out how to stop the physical attacks. Like I said after a year I finnaly realized what was going on. For a while I just ignored it, thinking it would change.
Well it ended up little brother called big brother asking for advice. His exact words of advice were "Get the Hell out of the marraige now". I didn't, I loved her, I wanted it to work.
She wanted a divorce after two years of marraige, and after I gave her what she wanted, a child. But I wont go into that. As far as all woman and girls should take matial arts to stop abuse, I just have one thing to say to that. If she is going to try and front snap kick my balls, she will be beat down like a man. Don't get me wrong, I don't condone violence. There are peacefull ways. I don't mind to get slapped, but if the girl is going to fight me like a man, she will be hit like a man.
OMS
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"She wanted a divorce after two years of marraige, and after I gave her what she wanted, a child. But I wont go into that. As far as all woman and girls should take matial arts to stop abuse, I just have one thing to say to that. If she is going to try and front snap kick my balls, she will be beat down like a man. Don't get me wrong, I don't condone violence. There are peacefull ways. I don't mind to get slapped, but if the girl is going to fight me like a man, she will be hit like a man."
You SHOULD "mind to get slapped". Slapping another person in the face is an act of battery. Remember Zsa Zsa Gabor's run-in with a police officer? She slapped him and was charged with battery, and so it's clear that this isn't just a theory of mine. Anyone slapping anyone in the face should be treated seriously and taken for what it is: violence.
bg
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by Anonymous User on 12:10 AM May 2nd, 2004 EST (#28)
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"Only men can stop domestic violence."
OMS:
We showed up at a domestic violence industry confernece at a college last year with this written on a big 20" X 30" sign (among other signs.
(click) What Can Women Do?
I was only verbally attacked by 3 or 4 radical/gender feminist pit bulls over a 5 hour period. Be prepared to have a good verbal defense.
Ray
(Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All the info I am trying to convey is only as the page comes up initially.)
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by Anonymous User on 11:06 AM May 3rd, 2004 EST (#49)
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OMS writes, " If she is going to try and front snap kick my balls, she will be beat down like a man. Don't get me wrong, I don't condone violence. There are peacefull ways. I don't mind to get slapped, but if the girl is going to fight me like a man, she will be hit like a man. "
This is exactly the kind of crap I deplore. OMS is on his way to jail at the first sign of his defending himself and he is too ignorant to know it. The first time he defends himself the bitch will dial 911 and he'll be prosecuded as the primary aggressor.
Sure let the wymen take the self-defense courses. Then when they use the stuff throw their asses into jail as the primary aggressors. Use their own feminist laws against them, but don't expect that their using karate will permit you the right of self-defence. Those laws are gone.
Warble
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Men Against Divorce
Hey! We are living in a world where divorce is rampant and men are abandoning their families and leaving the kids to the woman. It's obvious since women get custody in over 70% of divorces. It must be the men that are the problem. Help us NOW!
1. Recognize that divorce is every man's responsibility.
2. Speak up. Don't be a silent bystander.
3. Challenge men who use sexist language and make degrading jokes about women.
4. Ask a woman how the threat of divorce impacts her life. Listen to and learn from women.
5. Think about how our own attitudes and language contribute to the problem of divorce.
6. Call 911. Divorce is not a private matter - it's a crime against children.
7. Recognize that degrading images of women in the media are linked to divorce.
8. Talk to and teach boys that it is solely the man's responsibility to maintain a relationship and he needs to do whatever his wife tells him. Pronto. Anything else leads to divorce or domestic violence. Walk the talk by being a good role model for these behaviors.
9. Seek help if you have a problem with even thinking about divorce.
10. Join other concerned men and women to address your responsibility for divorce through sexist groups like HAWC that simplify a complex problem by blaming one gender.
Mens Rights 2004 Congress
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by Anonymous User on 10:43 AM May 1st, 2004 EST (#23)
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I called them and got their "service".
I asked for services for an abused man (I was being soft spoken and VERY polite)
She said it was only their "service".
I told them it was said to be a 24 hour service. SHE said it was for "abused women and children".
I asked "what about men who are abused?".
She said "you can call at 9AM on Monday when they open."
I replied: "but not if I am a woman or a child being abused right? Then you will direct my call? To whom would you refer my call, can I talk to them plz?"
She said that this was the "service" again.
So I said: "if I were a woman or an abused child where would you direct me?"
"you can call the emergency room at the hospital"
I replied: "you'd make an abused woman or child call the emergency room? What good is that?"
reply: "We're for abused women and children"
My question: "so for men you just say to call the Emergency room and let them get help there"
reply : "we're just the service"
My reply: "for womena and children?"
reply: "yes"
My question: "isn't that discriminatory?"
her reply: "you can call monday at 9AM"
I didn't see the point of going on with the conversation. But, you get the idea.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 12:36 PM May 4th, 2004 EST (#53)
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Steven.
It sounds like you got what I call; "the feminist run-around".
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I got the SAME woman. I asked again if she could tell me of ONE shelter for men...
(again I was very polite and kept my voice soft)
She told me to call the emergency room.
I asked her again: "can I plz have the name of ONE shelter for men"
She said: "we help women and children"
I said: "but the law about assault is gender neutral isn't it? There are male victims ... who do I call"
"you can call the main number at 9AM monday"
Me:"I just need a number for a men's shelter plz"
Her:"we help abused women and children"
Me:"but you must have a number for men"
Her: "call the emergency room"
Me: "you have someone there who talks to women don't you, can I talk to that person?"
Her: (getting pissed)"you're NOT a woman"
Me: "yes, but abuse is abuse, I just need to talk to a counselor or someone who can give me information on helping abused men"
Her: "look, I'm not gonna argue with you about this"
Me: "I am not trying to argue ma'am, I just need info"
Her: "we don't have that information"
Me: "But I am LOOKING at YOUR SITE and you have LOTS of sites and locations for abused women, what about men, the law about assault isn't gender biased is it? "
Her: "I'm not going to argue with you, call the emergency room ..."
Me: "may I plz speak to the counselor"
CLICK ........ end of phone call
Hey, I did what I could, and I was polite.
What should we do next?
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 08:09 AM May 2nd, 2004 EST (#30)
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fembots have not even considered that men are victims of abuse too. They need a victim class for job security. The robot you got on the phone wasn't programmed to handle your call.
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by Anonymous User on 10:06 AM May 2nd, 2004 EST (#32)
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"Her: (getting pissed)"you're NOT a woman"
Me: "yes, but abuse is abuse, I just need to talk to a counselor or someone who can give me information on helping abused men"
Her: "look, I'm not gonna argue with you about this"
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I don't know where to begin.
#1 The battering hate monger bigots at the women's shelter domestic violence help line are trained not to help men, and to turn the conversation into an arguement so they can say the battered man calling was actually a batterer trying to find out where the shelter is. I could go on about the hate that drips from the mouths of those violent, insane monsters like a creature from an Aliens movie, but you get the idea. Those inhuman batterers are the very incarnation of pure evil.
#2 You've done well to document as you've done now set it down in an official letter to all your elected representatives. You've just done the very same thing that the guy in California did out there, who's suing 10 domestic violence shelters. His name is "Eldon Ray Blumhorst." Type it in Google and print what you want and enclose it in your letter, along with anything else you want to send.
#3 Here is a site that you could print out from and tell your elected representative that people are actually selling T-shirts to the public describing the horrible experience that you had so you are very much not alone in your experience.
(click) Domestic Violence Shelters
Why are so many people saying the same thing, and nothing is being done about it. Wendy McElroy, Glenn Sacks, Marc Angelucci (among others) have all written articles about aspects of what you went through and still nothing is being done by our government. I believe most of those articles are on-line.
3A. Buy a copy of this book. Buy several copies and give to elected represetatives along with your documentation: (click) The Twelve Things You Didn't Know About Domestic Violence "Inslult to Injury" by Linda Mills is also excellent
#4 Make an appointment to see your elected represenative(s) (as many as possible). Demand to know what he/she is going to do about the denial of services to battered men, and the very denial by the d.v industry that many battered men exist and need services. Demand an independent investigation into the rampant corruption at work in the domestic violence industry. The Violence Against Women Act was not originally set up to serve just one sex, but it has been hijacked to do that.
#5 Don't get upset at negative responses. Build on the responses you receive and document them. Go to the papers, but even more than that go to the public, sites like this as an expamle.
#6 If you have the time and money - sue them.
#7 Here's an example of how I stage a public protest everytime I go out the door: (click) Prison and the Grave are not Men's Shelters It's my picture when I was a little boy. It is disturbing to see a picture of a child in prison, but I can think of no better way of pointing out the wholesale, Draconian way that the Domestic Violence Industry not only denies services to the innocent, but sends them to jail and violent relationships to be further abused.
#8 Let the world know that you're mad as heck at the domestic violence industry and we're not going to take it anymore. The entire domestic violence industry needs to go to their own batterers training programs just to begin to address the fraud that they have been commiting on the entire United States and western world.
Best of Everything, Ray
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by Anonymous User on 10:09 AM May 2nd, 2004 EST (#33)
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Long term I would also recommend going back to your elected representatives offices, and picketing them with big signs. You can get a good idea of things to write on your signs from the cafepress/mensbiz stores (Domestic Violence Section). The Government Section may also have one or two good sayings.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 08:26 AM May 2nd, 2004 EST (#31)
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Lets face it, lesbians and hard core feminists have taken over certain sectors of social service programs, especially areas related to the family. This is where they can have the most impact on attacking heterosexual men, and in creating a victim class of women that will depend on their services, which in turn creates job security for them.
In MA, a man can easily be imprisoned on allegation alone and denied bail without any evidence of domestic abuse. Once one is in jail they have to negotiate for their freedom by paying fines, admitting guilt and by taking programs for abusers. Also, jail time and probation is used. If a person violates a restraining order, they will be imprisoned on any allegation of violation, and once again they will have to prove their innocence.
This all happens without any involvement by HAWC. What HAWC does is a public relation campaign for their "business" that perpetuates a one sided, sexist model of domestic violence. Child abuse is largely perpetuated by women. Does HAWC care? No. HAWC cares that they have a victim class of women, and that men are portrayed as violent abusers within the family unit.
People in these programs probably do think that they are doing something good with their lives. And perhaps they do help some people that have really been abused. But it is clear that they define abuse as anything that a women doesn't agree with in a relationship. This ensures a constant stream of people who will qualify for victim status.
The public relations campaign is just an attempt to defrauding the public into thinking that widespread abuse of women and children is happening everywhere, yet no one can see it, excpet on their billboards.
CJ
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by Anonymous User on 12:58 PM May 2nd, 2004 EST (#34)
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As an original staffer for HAWC I am very aware of how they started and who started this organization. The original grant was written by a lesbian woman who had been abused by her lesbian lover. During the time I worked for them I was chastised for being a heterosexual woman and not converting to lesbianism. I finally just quit working for them. While they do some good work, they do a lot of harm as well by promoting a preference for homosexuality. Violence is violence, it makes no difference to whom it is directed. As decent human beings we should all strive for an end to violence of any kind, and that includes wars against other nations.
Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me.
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by Anonymous User on 01:40 PM May 2nd, 2004 EST (#35)
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"Violence is violence, it makes no difference to whom it is directed. As decent human beings we should all strive for an end to violence of any kind, and that includes wars against other nations.
Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me."
Thanks to this (HAWC) and other hate campaigns like it, there will be no peace on earth for men for a long time to come. In fact it will get worse before it gets better, based on the entrenched man-hating of programs like this.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 02:36 PM May 2nd, 2004 EST (#36)
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Thank you for sharing this insight with us about HAWC. I do believe that the PR campaign that HAWC has waged on the North Shore far exceeds the objective of helping real dv victims.
The current state of being a man accused of DV is that of assumed guilt. This should bother any good citizen.
HAWC has waged a war against all the hard working fathers who take care of their families on the North Shore.
CJ
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by Anonymous User on 02:46 PM May 2nd, 2004 EST (#37)
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Greetings ex-HAWC employee.
How did you get informed about this discussion? Just curious. It seems an unusual place for a person who worked for HAWC to be?
Please share more about HAWC. Who writes the grants? How do they get Clear Channel to give them so much free space? What is your opinion about the way the judicial system and police departments treat alleged issues of DV? Do you think that DV advocacy is anti-male and anti-tradtional marriage?
Thanks for sharing...
CJ
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by Anonymous User on 05:31 PM May 2nd, 2004 EST (#42)
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I don't know anything about HAWC these days, their politics or funding. In the past the pressure regarding pro-lesbianism was both blatant and subtle, depending on who was talking. How did I get here? Just one of those things, divine providence.
I was in on the beginning of the 209A. It was rushed through originally due to contacts among officials and HAWC originators.
I did indeed see some horrific abuse imposed upon women and children and all of what I saw had been done by men.
Do I hate men? I have three sons, you tell me....
We all live on this earth together - can't we just all get along.
Peace
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by Anonymous User on 06:29 PM May 2nd, 2004 EST (#43)
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"I did indeed see some horrific abuse imposed upon women and children and all of what I saw had been done by men. Do I hate men? I have three sons, you tell me...."
You tell me. I still don't see very many women going off to combat. Let men stay home and let over privileged American women defend our country or go off to war. Now that women are liberated it is long over due for women to do their time in the glass cellar jobs, and let men have some peace. Let's see how women behave when they are exposed to the levels of violence that men are "expected" to be exposed to. Judging by the behavior of that woman General in charge of that prison in Iraq that was torturing prisoners it appears female behavior is nothing to brag about either. That young female in all the pictures seems to really be enjoying torturing those men.
Furhtermore, the majority of child abuse is commited by women (DOJ). Men will stop abusing women, when women stop abusing their children.
Ray
(click) Why Blame Only Men for Violence???
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by Anonymous User on 06:56 PM May 3rd, 2004 EST (#51)
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Judging by the behavior of that woman General in charge of that prison in Iraq that was torturing prisoners it appears female behavior is nothing to brag about either. That young female in all the pictures seems to really be enjoying torturing those men.
You are right to point out that it is no accident that we have a female general over seeing the torture of men.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 06:44 AM May 4th, 2004 EST (#52)
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I'm not only the mother of three sons, I am also a Vietnam Veteran. Personally, I don't blame one gender over another for spousal abuse, child abuse or violence, it's a people issue and not problematic of males more than females. I'm aware of falsely accused individuals and believe that anyone who does falsely accuse another should be prosecuted. I don't want to argue with you guys. I believe that we should be supportive of one another and go after anyone who is found solidly guilty of abuse.
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by Anonymous User on 09:55 PM May 4th, 2004 EST (#54)
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"I don't blame one gender over another for spousal abuse, child abuse or violence, it's a people issue and not problematic of males more than females. I'm aware of falsely accused individuals and believe that anyone who does falsely accuse another should be prosecuted."
You sound very reasonable. I'm a Vietnam vet too. Being battered, then falsely accused and arrested was worse for me than Vietnam. The Viet Cong could have taken lessons in violence and battering men from today's domestic violence industry. I knew that was a war zone, and what that was all about. I didn't expect this kind of hate, and criminal behavior from law enforcement. Those hate monger bigots arrested me on a lie, just because I was a man. This is not America.
(click) STOP Government's War
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Exactly! This is not America. What makes them so pernicious is their hate flies under the flag of our government and is justified by this. I will never forget how shocked I was to find out that my government sponsors such hatred. The more we let our representatives know about this the more we can chip away at the madness.
Mens Rights 2004 Congress
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by Anonymous User on 11:21 PM May 2nd, 2004 EST (#44)
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Well, I had an ex use false allegations of abuse to dispose of me when she was caught in an affair. She turned me into a monster and saved herself from being from being exposed for who she really is to our friends and community.
The judicial system and 209A were so terribly biased against me, despite my innocence; I could not even make a case for my innocence. She knew this as her sister works in the industry. What I went through was like a Kangaroo court. She could lie, change her story, anything - and I was accountable for anything she said despite lack of evidence.
This is why I am here. I will spend the rest of my days fighting the corrupt MA courts. The sexist laws used against men will change someday. Trust me.
You have no idea what a mess 209A is, do you? Thousands of men will suffer humiliating injustices to save one female from one abusive man.
If you do not recognize why imprisonment on allegation alone is wrong, perhaps it is time to move to Iraq.
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by Anonymous User on 06:54 PM May 3rd, 2004 EST (#50)
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I don't know anything about HAWC these days, their politics or funding. In the past the pressure regarding pro-lesbianism was both blatant and subtle, depending on who was talking. How did I get here? Just one of those things, divine providence.
We are finding that the promotion of lesbianism, socialism, and anti-family ideals is the primary function of these family destruction units.
It is a great tragedy that people with a hate-based agenda have seized control of most shelters. Originally, they were sold to the public as places of refuge for horribly beaten women. You know, the ones that actually suffered from serious physical abuse. That is no longer their collective function. Now they are indeed family destruction units designed to spread a political ideology among women that is designed to teach the hatred of men.
Warble
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Thanks Anon for the inside information about HAWC. Though it is not surprising it is helpful to know. Thanks for letting us know.
I am curious how they would pressure you towards a lesbian mindset? Subtle? Blatant? What sorts of things would they do?
Mens Rights 2004 Congress
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Does it receive public funding via taxdollars?
If they receive taxpayer funding, and their discrimination can be thoroughly documented, they should be sued for everything they are worth.
One might want to invest in one of those recorders that record telephone conversations. NOTE: Be sure to inform the woman on the other end of the conversation that she is being recorded!!!!!! Then ask her what services they provide for battered men.
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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Is this particular hotline publicly funded via taxdollars? If so, one might want to point that out to the woman on the other end of the line. Make it clear to her that if she refuses to give help, she is violating your constitutional rights to equal protection and is opening herself and the shelter up to a lawsuit.
Sue their asses into nonexistence!
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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