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I am sorry I am not an activist, and i so against doing these things in the mens movement.
I disagree with a mens movement that shows men taking on a vicitm mentality.
WE have to show the example that taking charge, and holding people accountble is the way.
I always wonder why this website points out silly things like these commercials.
It makes no sense at all.
I will not consider myself a vicitm, just like I will teach my daughter not to see herself as a victim.
That is the evilnees of the feminist movement.
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It is my belief that taking action to oppose misandry and injustice is empowering to those who take part in it. One is only a victim if he remains passive and accepts the abuse.
I don't see what alternative you're proposing. Denying the reality of our anti-male culture for fear of being seen a victim makes little sense to me.
Scott
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True, very true, but we have to be very careful that we are not using simple things that are meant to be jokes, and making them something that they are not.
I think that being a victim has more to do with a mindset than an actual case. None of us have actually been hurt ofr victimized by the Dairy Queen commercial. In fact I love that commercial.
And ya see we are going to run into a mojor problem becuz the feminisit movement is infested with the vicitm mentality, that they cannot see how anything else.
I am ont saying that men in our culture are not treated with extreme injustice, or even many of us are considered vicitms often. But as men we need to offset this by showing how to remedy the victim mentality.
WE need to not be feeling sorry for ourselves, and stand up to the injustices.
The only cure to vicitmhoood is to stop considering yourself one.
I think this victim thing, is the vgreat evil of our culture. Its like everyone is rushing ansd running to be considered a victim.
Real power does not come from victimhood.
And as far as I am considered, we must be more forthright in setting the example to our women, and daughters of how men remedy this.
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"I think that being a victim has more to do with a mindset than an actual case. None of us have actually been hurt ofr victimized by the Dairy Queen commercial. In fact I love that commercial."
That one commercial is just one fraction of an overall culture that portrays the abuse of men, sexual or otherwise, as being not only acceptable, but also empowering, satisfying, cute, funny, romantic, and/or sexy. If a man hurts a woman, we're all ready to kill him. If a woman hurts a man, he very well might get laughed at, because it reminds people of "that scene from that movie" when a woman did the same thing. And it's a cycle. This attitude leads to more scenes being used in the media, which leads to more "accepted" abuse, and so on.
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My Friend,
I agree with you. I know that often we worry about the examples we put in the faces of our daughters and sons. I do think often in our society they will view this as the way things should be.
But we as fathers, uncles, etc, have more influence by the examples we set everday at home, and in reality in childrens lives.
Media will have very little influence if we men are doing what we are supposed to be doing.
Now dont get me wrong, thier are plenty of injustices. I saw my mother bad talk our father for 35 yrs of my life, until she passed and learned the truth about my dad.
But eventually the truth will find its way.
TV, media, and books, cannot cancel out the truth.
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by Anonymous User on 09:33 AM April 27th, 2004 EST (#14)
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So you suggest we do nothing to counter stereotypes? That's a very feminist suggestion.
I do not laugh at sexual violence. Perhaps you do since you liked that Dairy Queen comercial so much.
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No actually, I do not advocate sexual violence at all, but i dont think a baby kicking his father in the gonads is considered sexual violence.
The baby did not know or understand exactly what he/she is doing.
And lets be real here, anyone who has had children, you knwo this kind of thing happens, and its fun to laugh at.
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Are you sure you're not a Troll?
That "baby" - even though it was being altered using CGI - knew exactly what to do to "punish" Daddy.
Witness the sequence:
The Father exits DQ with the ice cream - the baby is (conveniently) located on the father's chest in a carrier/harness.
The baby trys to reach for the father's spoon.
The father pulls the spoon away and gently chides the baby, telling the baby that this ice cream is for himself and not for the baby.
All of the sudden this gentle, sweet, innocent, naive and harmless "baby" displays the skills of a martial artist - first stretching upwards in the harness to headbutt the father underneath the chin - then stretching downwards to deliberately kick the father directly in the testicles - causing the father to fall to his knees in agony.
And you say that this baby "did not know or understand exactly what he/she is doing"?
A deliberate and premeditated attack on a man's "gonads" isn't sexual violence?
Why such a savage response to such a trivial matter as not getting a taste of Daddy's ice cream?
Wouldn't a real baby just scream and cry?
Okay... Let's change the father to a MOTHER and then have the baby first headbutt the mother and then reach around to crush the mother's breasts and nipples in a painful grip until she falls to her knees in agony.
Still think it's a funny commercial?
Sorry to disappoint, but the writers, directors, of this commercial and the CGI artists who generated the visual effects knew exactly what they were doing.
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"No actually, I do not advocate sexual violence at all, but i dont think a baby kicking his father in the gonads is considered sexual violence.
The baby did not know or understand exactly what he/she is doing."
Most babies don't; the "joke" here is that this baby does.
"And lets be real here, anyone who has had children, you knwo this kind of thing happens, and its fun to laugh at."
No, it's not cool to laugh at someone else's pain, especially pain in the most private area's of someone's body. Women get bitten in the nipples by overzealous nursing babies, but you won't see them make a "cute" commercial out of that anytime soon.
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Any man that has not been kicked in the gonads by a child, has not handled many children in his day...
Its so sad that you guys are letting the mens movement become this.
I just hope you guys are not serious...I really hope not..
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mts1 is clearly a feminist or, at the very least, has fully bought into how the feminists believe men should behave. And, on this thread at least, mts1 is also a successful feminist -- note how the discussion has centered on refuting her rather than on engaging in activism. (This is either a woman or a femboy.)
Lets take a look at some specific statements by mts1:
The only cure to vicitmhoood is to stop considering yourself one.
Perhaps this person believes that the Jews, who were rounded up in WWII Europe and shipped to extermination camps, could have ended their victimhood simply by no longer considering themselves victims. The idea is, of course, absurd. Perhaps mts1 is just profoundly confused. There was only one way to stop the murderous injustice of the concentration camps and the victimization of Jews and so many others: War.
Also note the attitude of "It's men's fault."
Media will have very little influence if we men are doing what we are supposed to be doing.
Of course, it's men's fault. They need to start doing what they are supposed to be doing. (Supposed to be doing according to whom, I wonder.)
Here's another:
I want to empower boys and men to be good strong healthy men in families and communities.
Yes, yes. Again, the problem is that of males, who are failing to be good strong healthy men in families and communities. Perhaps they just need to have their masculinity deconstructed according to the dictates of feminism. (This deconstruction is what is behind the feminist notion of empowering males.)
Finally, note the standard shame game. Its so sad that you guys are letting the mens movement become this.
I just hope you guys are not serious...I really hope not..
This person claims to be a man, but judging by the shame and blame game, as well as the writing style, I suspect this is a female feminist, steeped in the language, style, and message of women's studies.
Let's dismiss this feminist or femboy and move back to some activism.
Here's an idea and a pitch: Of those, who have been frustrated and irritated by the shame and blame game of mts1, how many of you are engaging in activism? Washington, DC, is a wonderful city. You could take your summer vacation there and have a great time. Why not register for the Men's Rights Congress in June and attach your vacation to a day or two of activism and some comaraderie with fair-minded people?
Thomas
-- Creating hostile environments for feminazis since the 1970s.
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by Anonymous User on 01:14 PM April 28th, 2004 EST (#29)
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Sorry, mts1, I'm with Thomas.
You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. But regardless of "shames", "blames" and "names". I too will continue to be an activist in the men's movement.
I beleive the men's movement should be the 'Rasputin' of all movements. I.E. no matter what they throw at us we just keep comein'.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Oh come one, now yhou dont actually believe all of that do ya?
I would fight for rights for men, boys, and fathers rights as much as anyone.
I just fear that we end up doing the exact thing that these feminists hate groups have been doing for the last 3 decades. I dont want to have to lie, connive, and polay victim to things in order to empower our young boys.
I have learned that the easiest way to heal victimhood, is to stop thinking that you are a victim.
Now I know that our society views men as sacrificial for the greater freedoms of the society. And I know the courts need great reforms to suit men and children.
I also have a daughter whose mother has moved around the nation to keep her from me. I hurt so badly on this issue daily.
I also hate the stereotypes that society and women put on fathers and men. And then our daughters carry those same stereotypes into life, and I have no way of showing my daughter any different.
None of this is fair. But as a mle figure, I just dont think that I am the victim. I have found that when i did feel that way, i was powerless.
I dont think that media, commercials, and books, and TV affect me as a person. I just want justice for all men.
I have learned that we all learn the truth sooner or later. Even these women who hate men, many of them today are lost. And still trying to find their way. But I will not do what i saw them do this past weekend at the mall in Washington.
That was hate, and I will not get involved in hate. Hate is contagious and is destructive. I refuse to be a part of any movement that will soak itself in hate.
many of the womens groups have soul their souls to the devil, and they are long gone.
I want men to take the road of truth, common sense, and maturity, to show these women the right way.
We are the leaders of our society, and the leaders of our communities.
We have got to be real careful not to do what feminists did. They are in real bad shape. Lets be careful.
I dont hate women. My daughter will be one.
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It sounds like you may be a man. If you in fact are, I'm afraid you have been duped by feminism.
I dont want to have to lie, connive, and polay victim to things in order to empower our young boys.
This smacks of a false accusation (a standard, feminist device). Where on this board have people lied in promoting activism?
Before the next paragraph, I will point out the definition of activism: "a doctrine or practice that emphasizes direct vigorous action especially in support of or opposition to one side of a controversial issue."
You contradict yourself. You state outright Activism Is Not Good!! Then you state I would fight for rights for men, boys, and fathers rights as much as anyone. You cannot fight for the rights of men, boys, and fathers and at the same time refuse to take vigorous action.
You also state I also have a daughter whose mother has moved around the nation to keep her from me... as a mle figure, I just dont think that I am the victim. I have found that when i did feel that way, i was powerless.
Assuming for the moment that you're stating the truth, I'm sure you're hurting, because you are in fact a victim in this case. The way to stop being a victim is not by declaring that you aren't a victim. The way to stop being a victim is by standing on your feet and taking vigorous action against the perpetrators of injustice.
Sitting around telling ourselves that we aren't victims won't change anything, except maybe the level on our feelgood-meters. It won't bring children back into the lives of their fathers. Only activism will do that.
If this sounds harsh, I make no apologies. It is because men have refused to take action that the monstrous injustices of feminism have become the law of the land. Men who refuse to fight injustice get what they deserve when that injustice is visited upon them. If a time for inaction ever existed, it has long since passed.
If you insist on declaring that you aren't a victim, while refusing to actively oppose injustice, then you might want to find another discussion board. In case you didn't notice, this is Men's Activism News Network. You might be able to get some sympathy for your claims, but I doubt that you will accomplish much by refusing to take action against injustice.
To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?
You choose not to be. I choose to be.
Thomas
-- Creating hostile environments for feminazis since the 1970s.
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Well that is fine with me. I me I cannot say I totally disagree with you guys, but I just dont see myself participating in this movement they way you are doing it.
I am sure their is a place for me. I am sure their is a need for guys like yourself somewhere along the way.
I just feel that what much of you are doing is emulating exactly what the feiminist movement of the past few decades. That is not good.
And that tells them that you are following their lead, and admitting that they have been successful, and giving credence to what they continue to do.
Ya know fire does not always fight fire.
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Of course i am a man....lol
And you must understand that with beleiving that you are not a victim means acting against those that wish to victimize you. And I dont fall for any feminist ideaologies.
I actually think that activism is good a certain times. MLK and Ghandi showed us during a time how it can be extremely effective.
But I think this is not the path that the mens movement is going to have to take. I do not think we are in a time of activism.
And i surely think its going to be extremely hard to attract men to a mens movement that is looking for men to act like I see those ladies act out there marching for reproductive rights.
This will be a turnoff to many men.
Remember I am just a man...giving my opinion. And you are still my brother. I dont see you as my enemy at all, my friend.
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MTS1,
I know others have flamed you, but I'll try to lay this out for you if you don't mind.
First off, we picked small targets to energize the movement. Targets we could effect a change on. We are not going to go after the whole feminazi apparatus on our first shot.
Now, when men are pointing out double standards they are not "whining", they are pointing out double standards. We are NOT playing the "victim game" of the feminists, but showing duplicitous standards and how they are applied.
If someone is insulting me, locking me up, denying me my rights as a father or a man (purely based upon my gender) that is not "whining", that is standing up for your civil rights. Put any other "group" in the catagory and that is how it would be defined. There is no "but", "well...", or "that's different" about it.
When we point out to advertisers that they are using sexist, violent, or demeaning advertising we are trying to stop the messages that are bombarding the next generation (1/2 of which is going to BE men). We don't want our boy children growing up whining either, but we don't want them to think that violence against them is a "natural expression of humor", legally or socially acceptable (and therefore not reported), nor do we wish them to grow up BEING quiet victims of this violence.
Picking apart advertisments and letting advertisers know of our displeasure is not whining. Give it some thought.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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MTS1,
First off, I left you another message "higher up" on the thread, plz read it.
We have accomplished a lot on this forum already. When I get home, if you like, I would be glad to let you know what we have gotten changed, enacted, or helped in the awareness of.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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What have we accomplished. Well, to answer that I'm going to include what I've seen accomplished in the other groups I have been involved in also (besides Men's Activism). So allow me that liberty.
1) In the last year the FIRST and ONLY men's commision was established. It's in N.H. There are over 270 commisions in the U.S., with NUMEROUS subcommitees, they are all funded, and have no time limit (the Men's Commision in N.H. has to prove it DESERVES to "exist" within 2 years).
2) We have, through numerous letters to editors and reporters, gotten SOME papers to rethink their views on many issues. The changes are slow, but noticeable. In one thread below JUST THIS WEEK we got a paper to reverse itself 180 degrees. The first article was about false allegations and how the "poor little girl" felt "sorry". After our letter writing they did a complete reversal and painted the falsely accused as the victims. --- This doesn't happen all the time, but when it does it is so freaking worth it.
3) By supporting NCFM, Hisside, iFeminists, Fathers4Justice, and many other groups we have gotten the press and politicians to address some of our issues. It's only a start, I'll grant you that, but it's happening.
4) With this board, and several others, men are arming themselves with facts to fight the factoids (and when we write letters it shows!).
5) At MY WORK (I'm military) I've had 2 men come to me about being DV victims. Very quietly, and tenetively, but before being an MRA I had never had that happen before.
6) We went after a retailer for selling shirts that advocated violence against boys. A small victory? Not as small as you think. There are THOUSANDS of BBS' (Bulletin Board Systems - like this forum) around the country (and in the U.K., Australia, Denmark, Canada etc) and for the FIRST time, thanks to Glenn Sacks, we worked together.
7) With the MND site, with the help of Wendy McElroy, Christina Hoff Summers, and MANY other "pro-male" writers we are getting a chance, for the first time since the PC MADNESS set in, to stand up and say that the feminazi BULLSHIT machine is LYING, LYING WHOLESALE, about women in this country.
Right now our main focus is on information. See, many of the feminist "truths" are lies. We have to expose the lies, establish a track record as honest advocates, and get the press and the politicians to listen to us. It's starting to change, and that is very frustrating (shit, tell me about it!), but change IS happening.
Others on this site could probably rattle off 10-50 more examples of what we've done. Personal victories (and trust me, they COUNT !!) have happened. Victories in the way the press not only writes about US, but how they reports men's issues. Victories for people we NEVER MET, but who we could identify with, who we wrote to papers about and caused the reporting of their plight to be more even and fair. Sure, in the next month or so you'll see 20 articles here decrying the injustice. But WE DO SOMETHING about it. Sometimes it makes a difference, and sometimes it doesn't. That's hard. We each have our motivations.
Me, call it a freaking survival instinct.
If you have more questions, ask away. I never shut up anyways, lol.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 10:39 PM April 28th, 2004 EST (#43)
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>"I never shut up anyways, lol."
Good, Steven.
And I hope you never DO! (^_^)
B.T.W. Let's not forget the time when PROGRESSIVE INSURANCE ran that "castrateing-a-man" commercial, we all got together and let them know BIG TIME how mad we were. It took a little time but PROGRESSIVE eventualy CHANGED that ad.
Activism doesn't work?!?
I beg to differ...!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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"I would fight for rights for men, boys, and fathers rights as much as anyone. "
Unfortunately, you are simply doing what society is conditioned to: fight for the rights and freedoms for males AS LONG AS THE MALE STAYS WITHIN THEIR SET LIMITAIONS OF BEING A 'MALE'.
Like society in general, you believe that men either have, or are entitled to have, rights and freedoms, as long as they do exactly what society tells males to do.
There is a big difference between fighting for equality and rights and fighting for equality and rights with limitations, restrictions or conditions attached.
R
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I agree with you that we are not trying to profit or have preferential treatment from a simple commercial.
But often we must look at some things and realize they go too far.
Example:
A woman at a feminist rally once said that a man that looks at her in a special way is considered a "mini-rape". I mean come one here.....lol!!!
I respect a person who may be offended by any commercial. But often I find myself offended just by listening to a particular comedian.
I often have to be careful and realizxe my own maturity to be able to laugh at myself and not think of everything as an attack on me.
Feminist in this country have this problem in a big way. And they are stuck inside of a matrix, that keeps them enlsaved, even though no one is enslaving them.
I will not sit and protest simplet things like that commercial.
I will respect the man that is offended by it, but I will also make it known to him that it is not meant to offend him.
If we are gonna fight for the man who gets it in the testicles, or gets screamed at by his wife, then we need to go after 90% of the beer commercials.
Come on lets not be hypocrits like the weak feminists/lesbians...WE have to show them how its done.
Not do what they did.
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by Anonymous User on 03:13 PM April 26th, 2004 EST (#6)
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Not to mention the fact that IMAGES have POWER.
Young people, especialy boys, see these images. The impact on self esteem is very REAL.
I'll never forget my nephew asking me out of the blue, one day; "Why does everyone hate boys?"
I have heared many other men who have similar conversations with their own nephews or sons.
These images of misandry are NOT just "jokes". They are MEANT to HARM! And frankly, I for one will not sit by while this harm is being done to MEN or BOYS or ANYONE else for that matter.
And one more thing. I'm not trying to start a 'flame war' but to be honest I am a bit tired of people saying; "If you stand up to women and feminists you're a whimp.". OR; "If you DON'T stand up to them, you're a whimp.".
As a Cherokee I have been taught that you do what's RIGHT by your HEART. And by GOD, that is what I will DO...! No matter what 'names' others may choose to call me, or what lables others want to adhere to me.
Look at it this way.
If I as an Indian complain about racist images in the media, (and there are still many) Why am I a "whimp" or "victim" because I actively oppose them...?
I see little to NO diffrence.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I do not think you will find anyone who is more opposed to the "Victim"trip than me. But you have every right as a consumer to spend your money as you choose, and to let those you do business with know why in no uncertain terms. This in no way defines you as a victim. In fact it places your power and authority back where it rightfully belongs.
There is a tactic in the advertising industry to play upon people's neurosis and identity issues by depicting those who do not buy their products as being stupid or incompetent. Because it is no longer politically correct to use people with "indeliable" characteristics in this role white males have been conscripted into it by default.
After nearly two decades of pleading for what was perfectly reasonable like a teenage boy begging for the car keys and being willfully ignored I got fed up. Some people might now describe me as "confrontational defiant". That's fine by me...far better to be respected in a negative sense than to not be respected at all.
I don't know where this current trend of caving in like kelp in the wake of everyone else's aggression came from. And I think it sad that the word "meek"has been perverted. Many people think the word describes a meally mouthed sycophant who caves in like kelp. The Bible says "In all the earth there was none more meek than Moses" Was Moses a meally mouthed sycophant who caved in like kelp? In Asia the totem animal (sort of like owl for wisdom or fox for cunning) for meek is the tiger. Meek is confidence that is free from arrogance. A meek person has nothing to prove.
If this trend in advertising annoys you, as it certainly annoys me, express your annoyance with your cheque book and on those marketing surveys.
This does not mark you as a victim. Mahatma Ghandi's followers boycotted all garments woven in England with Indian cotton.
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Wow,
very nice examples and well written MAUS.
Just had to tell you that. Great examples.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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If someone holds you up, you're a victim of crime. Whether you choose to be passive or active after that is up to you, but you're still a victim. There's no shame in the word, and we're far from merely whining; we're seeking to do something about it.
Believe me; the people who seek to abuse, demean, and ridicule men are COUNTING on men having the stoic, "hit-me-harder, it-won't-hurt" attitude that you have. And then it will only get worse.
bg
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by Anonymous User on 12:12 PM April 27th, 2004 EST (#17)
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That's for sure.
Just one MORE example of feminist hypocrisy.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I dont know, i watched the womens rally this weekend on CSpan, and I just hope we dont decide to do what these women are doing.
I dont want to march on WAshington, I want to empower boys and men to be good strong healthy men in families and communities.
Like I say I am not an activist. I think activist are for people who are soaking in a victim mentality, and "choose" to stay there. Like the majority of women in the womens groups.
I think we men have a different way of dealing with the injustices that society puts on us...
But complaining is not it.
You can point out injustices, but if no one sympathizes, then you have accomplished nothing.
Men are not going to be successful by portraying themselves as victims.
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"I dont want to march on WAshington, I want to empower boys and men to be good strong healthy men in families and communities."
It's not an either/or. Of COURSE you should empower your sons to be strong and healthy and have respect for themselves and their communities. We're addressing evil outside forces here. You need to do both.
bg
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I just feel i should not have to plead to some government or entity for my right to be a dad, or be a man.
Its a God given right!
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Of course i can do that with my vote. I can do that by volunteering in my community to help boys. I can do that by engaging and helping other men.
I live this earth cuz its my home. No one can change the fact that I am a man, a father, brother etc.
I dont have to demand anything, its already my domain.
I am upset already that this campaign of Kerry vs Bush has not spoken once about fathers rights.
But I will not sit back and lobby a politician for my right to be a father. I will not make a deal with the devil.
I will not engage in hate.
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I do not think we are in a time of activism.
To some extent on this, I share your opinion though perhaps not your reasons for it.
Today, I see a miniscule number of men and women doing what should have been done two or three decades ago by the vast majority of men and women. As a result of the availability of abortion and birth control for women, the indigenous populations of the developed world (if not of each individual developed nation) are in a state of free fall. Because of this, we are facing economic catastrophe. In addition, anti-male contempt and hatred are firmly embedded in advanced societies, especially those in which English is the primary language. On top of this, the monumental debt in America (both public and private) is a mortal threat to the welfare of the future, far smaller population that will have to service and repay that debt.
I expect a dire foreshadowing when interest rates start to rise, and deeply-in-debt members of the baby boom generation and their gen-x children start losing their homes when they can't meet payments because they took advantage of those oh-so-enticing mortgages with adjustable percentage rates.
As slick and smart as they are, the feminists have miscalculated by not ensuring that each of their hands knows what the other is doing. They have to a large extent removed men from the family, in the expectation that men will be taxed to support women and their children through the government. Unfortunately, feminists are at the same time driving males out of the nation's academy. Very soon, men will be far less able to make the payments to support the single-female head-of-household families from which they have been removed. As a result, women will be able to bear and spend time with even fewer children. Add to this safe, efficient, inexpensive, and easily reversed male birth control (which less educated, poorer men will desperately need) and we will see a surge in the already calamitous rate of population collapse.
This downward spiral imposed upon society by feminism shows no sign of abating any time in the near future.
So, while activism to oppose injustice is still good, I think we are entering a period when it would be wise to build bunkers in one's backyard. At the very least, people should start exercising their Second Amendment rights more and maybe should also start learning how to grow and preserve some of their own food.
We've only begun to live the tragedy that feminism will ultimately bring down upon us.
Thomas
-- Creating hostile environments for feminazis since the 1970s.
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I totally agree with everything you say there. Actually there is not much I disagree with anyone on these boards.
I think my approach as a male is quite different. I watched the Pro-abortion rally on the mall on Apr 25, and i just could not imagine at all men doing that.
I do believe that I have alot to offer. But I feel less inclined to sweat the small stuff.
I guess i will have to leave that up to the others.
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by Anonymous User on 10:43 PM April 28th, 2004 EST (#44)
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Well, agree or disagree, mts1, welcome aboard, either way.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 09:13 PM April 26th, 2004 EST (#11)
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by Anonymous User on 02:14 PM April 27th, 2004 EST (#18)
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Well said sir.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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"While feminism is on the whole driven by hatred and spread by lies, the cultivation of anti-male contempt is the very foundation on which it stands. It is the root that we must strike."
During the past forty-plus years of feminist conspiracy, those "roots of hatred" have indeed spread far and wide...
to the disciminatory anti-male injustice system (Anti-Family and DV courts), prejudiced mass media representations of men, our nation's universities and schools, corporate culture, and the very halls of Congress.
Cutting out these pervasive gender-fascist roots may well take another forty years of resistance and reform... but now is the time for a focused men's right movement to begin the crusade.
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on 08:19 PM April 27th, 2004 EST (#23)
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"I disagree with a mens movement that shows men taking on a vicitm mentality."
Our country has said to men, "Get tough of die." for centuries, and I for one am tired of it.
Men and women have both been oppressed by cirucumstances in their existences throughout history. If we are going to spend disproporttionate amounts of money on women's health, concerns, and well being every time they speak up about any perceived grievance, then the time is long overdue for men to have a victim's mentality.
Men's grievances will be heard. Get used to it. A Men's activist wearing one of these T-shirts will be coming to a neighborhood near you soon.
Sincerely, Ray
(click) The Greatest Indicator of Oppression
(click) Equal Justice for Men!
(click) Men Are Not Disposable
(Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All the info I am trying to convey is only as the page comes up initially.)
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