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It's sad when a family oriented business feels free to use violence against men as a selling point for its product. What are they thinking? DQ will be on the boycott list soon.
I emailed them last week and heard nothing so I called the corporate office today and was told that they have a toll free number for complaints:
1 866 793-7582
I hope that we can let them know that role modeling violent behavior is not a great idea for anyone. If they had been using a woman as a victim of violence we wouldn't have heard the end of it. Since its a man they think its funny. Sexism on parade.
Here's a thread on this topic
Mens Rights 2004 Congress
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So does this mean that America's Funniest Home Videos is a form of misandric entertainment? A lot of men get hit in the cheap seats on that show.
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by Anonymous User on 02:53 PM April 6th, 2004 EST (#24)
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Yes, it DOES mean that America's Funniest Home Videos is a form of misandric entertainment.
You'll rarely if EVER see a woman hit, kicked or socked in the groin or breasts. It is only aired if it is done to men.
Think about it, If women were depicted this way in even the SLIGHTEST way the F.C.C. would be all over them like ugly on an ape! Feminists would be shrieking at the top of their lungs about how there's "too much violence against WOMEN in the media!" The news media would do report after report on "The disturbing trend of anti-female violence in entertainment..."
This form of sexual mutilation type violence is permitted against MEN and ONLY MEN. THAT is SEXISM by it's very definition!
So yes A.F.H.V. is, indeed guilty of misandry. IT and COUNTLESS other TV shows, movies, ads and commercials.
Thundercloud.
Hoka hey!"
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So because YOU want to see women getting punched in the vagina I have to lose out on all of the great dick jokes?
And even if a baby did kick a woman in the Vagina, it wouldn't really do much to her. Lighten up, it's a commercial designed to sell ice cream. I mean if you really want to see women get beat to crap rent a Max Hardcore video. There are many specialty videos that will accommodate your needs.
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that accomodated my needs, all over myself.. thanks for the advice. hardcore is cool.
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See, and I get to keep the dick jokes in my Dairy Queen ads.
The world is wonderful.
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by Anonymous User on 07:06 PM April 6th, 2004 EST (#38)
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Do you always have conversations with yourself? Bet you do!
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You mean like the rhetorical question you just asked? No. I don't.
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by Anonymous User on 10:20 PM April 6th, 2004 EST (#45)
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I did not say, at all, that I wanted to see WOMEN kicked in the groin or any place else, either.
If you enjoy the suffering of men however I'd have to call you sadistic and anti-male.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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You argued that there is a double standard in the presentation of violence. That it’s not okay to show men being assaulted because society isn't fair and won't show women being assaulted.
I mean you’re not here defending against the abuse of all people, just men. So, since you were so specific in only defending one gender it would stand to reason that you are indifferent in the abuse of the other (since you never said otherwise).
If you don't want anybody being assaulted, well then good on you and I don't know why you would misrepresent yourself as only caring about men.
And I don't enjoy the debasing of women, so there is no need to call me anything.
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by Anonymous User on 10:56 PM April 6th, 2004 EST (#50)
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Read what I say.
I didn't say that you enjoy the debasing of women.
But from what you and the anon(s) are saying it SEEMS, and I stress "SEEMS" that you enjoy the debasing of men.
Any one who enjoys the debasing of ANYONE; male, female, Black, Jewish, Irish, White, American Indian, Hispanic etc. is sadistic.
And, yes at this moment I am defending MEN who are being debased, but I have been on record here as saying I do NOT wish to see the same treatment meaded out to women.
I don't want to see ANYONE debased.
I can't make it much more clear than that.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Understood.
But don't you think your viewing this Dairy Queen commercial a bit out of context?
It's not a joke about the feminization of men. It's a crotch joke. A simple freaking crotch joke. Hell, when I get whacked in the bitter berries I freaking laugh.
And I only enjoy debasing within the context of a joke. A consensual joke by both parties. In this case, the actor and Dairy Queen.
You view the entire world through this victim perspective and it makes you so out of touch with reality. Out of touch with context.
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You argued that there is a double standard in the presentation of violence. That it’s not okay to show men being assaulted because society isn't fair and won't show women being assaulted.
NOT what he meant at all. What he's saying is that in the media, men being injured is fine because they're men. He showing an example on the true inequality that exists. Basically, equality can be argued as "roles reversed, it is still acceptable". A woman would, in no way, EVER be shown in a commerical being punched in the breasts or any other vulnerable spot. So how is that equal?
I mean you’re not here defending against the abuse of all people, just men.
In this specific commercial, no women were abused. The actor wasn't either, but it still basically kicks MAN-KIND in the balls. Anyone want to quote that young boy injury statistic again?
So, since you were so specific in only defending one gender it would stand to reason that you are indifferent in the abuse of the other (since you never said otherwise).
...which is faulty logic and completely untrue. This whole thread is for a specific commerical. But, ok, if you want, [cough] ..."No man, woman, or child on this message board/website/news site/forum wish physical harm or violence against any group, be they a minority, majority, a racial group, or a sexual gender. Except for the Asexual aliens of Alpha Centauri who threaten to consume us all."
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You would have to dissect my comment and attack it line by line and out of context. Here's a tip... if you dissect it word for word ITS WAY EASIER and you can even make up shit.
ANONYMOUS (coward) was discussing the overall inequality outside of the vacuum which was the television commercial so my comments were valid.
AS FOR YOU... ANONYMOUS is a big boy and can defend himself... so lets not speak for others and let the grownups talk...
ok?
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by Anonymous User on 06:55 AM April 7th, 2004 EST (#80)
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Xamot - we all hate you and you suck so please go away!! You are a feminist and you hate woman. WE HATE YOU!!
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You are a feminist and you hate woman.
OXYMORON
weeee. i win.
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I meant that you hate men! Whatever - anyway, you are a card carrying NRA member so don't you DARE act like you are a "pinko-commie"
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On the contrary my friend. I hate guns. And I am a socialist.
Unlike you, I know how to pick my battles. Fighting a DAIRY QUEEN ad is a pretty quick way to be labeled a whack job.
Congrats, its your new title.
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by Anonymous User on 07:34 AM April 7th, 2004 EST (#85)
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So you're saying that if I respond line by line my point in invalidated? At least I analyzed and replied to your actual points, as far as I can tell by this message you critiqued my writing style, not the actual content, and proceeded to call an Anon. names.
But seriously, to reiterate, equality is only equal is it is equal when reversed.
"The Vote". Men can vote, women can't. Roles reversed? Women can vote, men can't. Not exactly fair. As such, it was changed. Now men can vote and women can vote. Roles reversed? Women can vote and men can vote. Fair.
Violence in the media: groin kick advertising is common, breast-punching probably illegal in advertising. Roles reversed? Men get a laugh at women being hurt, and women are shown as funny when in pain. If that scenario was true, women would protest, call men pigs, push to ban such ads. Why cannot men do the same when the roles aren't reversed?
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DT
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by Anonymous User on 09:37 AM April 7th, 2004 EST (#86)
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Yes, it's a dairy queen ad. However, it is still sexist and insulting. Your point?
If an ad featured a woman being punched in the breasts by a man, at which point she falls to her knees because she is in so much pain she cannot stand, and men proceed to laugh about that, it's considered "funny"... would you ignore it saying "it's just an ad!"?
Of course. And the pure fact that no such ads exist shows the double standard in "comedy violence" that is all too present today.
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DT
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by Anonymous User on 09:40 AM April 7th, 2004 EST (#87)
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....and that should be "Of couse, and the pure"...
An edit button would be nice.
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by Anonymous User on 12:28 PM April 7th, 2004 EST (#91)
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>"fighting a DAIRY QUEEN ad is a pretty quick way to get labled a whack job."
You mean like the feminists and other women who once protested against the SWEDISH BIKINI TEAM in those beer ads...?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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"But don't you think your viewing this Dairy Queen commercial a bit out of context?
It's not a joke about the feminization of men. It's a crotch joke. A simple freaking crotch joke."
Well, there shouldn't BE "simple freaking crotch" jokes. Again, would it be considered okay to laugh at a woman hurt in the vagina? (And I have female friend who was once hurt there in a sledding accident, so, yes, they can obviously feel great pain in that area as the result of an accident.) How about a woman getting punched in the breast?
Would these things be considered okay? I don't think so, and most people agree with me. So, if it's wrong to laugh at a woman's "private pain", then it's wrong to laugh at a man's "private pain". The concept isn't difficult to grasp at all.
"Hell, when I get whacked in the bitter berries I freaking laugh."
You do?
If I was hurt there, I wouldn't find it funny, and I wouldn't like it if anyone else did, either. And I'm a VERY self-effacing person. If a truck came by and soaked me with a rain puddle, it would be funny, and people could laugh. If I slipped and landed on my butt, that would be funny, and people could laugh. But there's nothing funny about pain, and we should stop sending the message that it's humorous, ESPECIALLY with this gender double standard in place.
bg
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You win what,Xamot? The boards most infantile poster award? Ooh, congratulations. You win.
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It's only not humorous if you're a wuss. Bruises and soreness is no big deal.
I've been hit numerous times so the whole concept is funny to me.
Throughout the ages, crotch jokes have been a classical source of humor. That cannot be denied. It is just funny to see a man get whacked in the groin. Would a woman being hit in the groin be funny? No, because most people do not associate groin pain with women (even though yes it can hurt for them). Archetypically women are granted an ability of invincibility in the groin. It's kind of like a consolation prize for have less dominant roles in narratives.
Classically, the groin is like an Achilles concept in modern Pop humor. The male character is shown as strong and virile but with one god made flaw. The sensitivity of the groin. Classic humor at work.
This has nothing do to with the feminization of men. That has been point all along (despite how dodgy you people claim me to be) and it is clearly obvious which is why I have declared all of you paranoid and insane.
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by Anonymous User on 06:54 AM April 9th, 2004 EST (#127)
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"Classically, the groin is like an Achilles concept in modern Pop humor. The male character is shown as strong and virile but with one god made flaw. The sensitivity of the groin. Classic humor at work."
Actually it's classic man-hating at work, a work you appear to enjoy being a part of.
It is just funny to see a man get whacked in the groin. .
Do you also laugh at other serious injuries to people? How dare you?
You really do need help for the abuse you are inflicting on the good decent men who are visiting this site. Please seek some help for your misandric abusiveness, and not from some domsetic violence parrot, but one that knows that females commit horrible abuse against men as this site now is a witness too.
Ray
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"So because YOU want to see women getting punched in the vagina I have to lose out on all of the great dick jokes?"
Nobody WANTS to see women hurt in the vagina. The point is that they would never show that, whereas men being hurt in the groin is considered mainstream, G-rated, family-friendly fun.
Of course, I think you KNOW exactly what Thundercloud was and was not saying, but are deliberately misinterpreting his remarks. And that's because you're a troll.
bg
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"So does this mean that America's Funniest Home Videos is a form of misandric entertainment?"
Why, yes, it is. You probably asked that question sarcastically, but there you go.
Anything else we can assist you with?
bg
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by Anonymous User on 09:27 PM April 13th, 2004 EST (#133)
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Yeah... hello 'missing-the-point' people... it's "funny". The fact that the baby wants the ice cream that bad is F-U-N-N-Y. You probably need to have children to get that though, and not a lot of gay couples have children, so it's totally understandable that you wouldn't get it.
(Yes, I can tell you're all gay... who else would use a word like 'misandric'?)
Lighten up. Better yet - unclench.
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sir, may i ask how old you are? you have to be the biggest pussy i have ever seen in my life. in fact, you all are the biggest bunch of pussies i have ever seen. you all are probably not married and if you are, im sure your wife is either currently filing for divorce or cheating on you. You complain about commercials being against guys but this whole website is because it gives men a bad name. i am also a man and i cant stop laughing at all the pussified crap you all put on here. "ooh that commercial shows a man losing a board game to a woman. I WANT TO COMPLAIN!" seriously, dude, grow up. you all know as well as i do that women have it harder. they have babies, they have periods, they get paid less, and they have to clean and cook. they are moody, they complain, nag, moan, groan and cry for no reason. im so glad to be a man and you all should be too. but this whole website, your whole idea looks good on paper, but so did communism.
thanks
~a real man
p.s. i was angry seeing the enzyte commercial because it said that men had small penises so im going to cry, take a bubble bath, and get online and complain about it.....pussies...
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by Anonymous User on 06:07 PM April 6th, 2004 EST (#34)
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Oh dear! Someone's called us pussies! What have we done??
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Just ignore them anonymous... really we're all anonymous because we don't know each other, but Xamot is the real pussy here. Seriously, Xamot is actually a girl... like in real life. Just look at his comments!! DQ will get their come-uppings with our boycott!! We will show them!! Xamot, I dare you to tell us what company you work for so we can annihilate them with one of our boycotts!
Calling people pussies is mean, and a common Republican tactic, you are a vile woman Xamot!!
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Yeah, you five dipshits are going to bring down the feminist machine known as Dairy Queen.
God you are some paranoid slugs.
YOU ARE ALL ANONYMOUS BECAUSE YOU ARE FUCKING COWARDS. My name in Aaron Camacho. Meet me when you want and I will tell this shit to your face. I work for McDonalds in the commercial office, that's how I know that you're criticisms of advertising are purely insane.
Calling people pussies is mean? Dear god you are a bitch...
Aaron "FUCKING" Camacho you retarded shit heels.
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Aaron - I implore you to NOT give out your real name. This is just not safe whether I agree with you or not. Ok, no shit though - you're a girl aren't you?? Sometimes the name "Aaron" is asexual.
Seriously, there's no need to resort to chest-thumping and neandrathal aggression. WE ARE MEN!! We don't need to resort to violence.
I feel very sorry for McDonald's but I think I can see it. I mean, the new commercials with urban blck men playing basketball in rollerblades just shows the feminine violence. We all know that this is not a psport, but one that feminists think exist. We should seriously consider boycotting McDonald's as well.
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LOL...
I did. Fucking deal and meet me. I would so kick your ass. Violence is the underlying structure of all societies. That's why men end up with the most control (depsite what you cowards think).
Men must resort to violence or else you are a bitch. If you attack my character to the point that you ignore my words then only my fist can be your consequence.
And I sincerely mean this when I say, that I could kick your ass. Mind you, I am not threatening to do it. But rather, I am offering the challenge. If your scared of bruises then live in fear of physicality, because you are obviously scared of women. HA HA HA HA hA hA HA hA HA HAHAHA
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HAHAHAHAHAHA - I'm laughing at you!! I LAUGH AT YOU for your pathetic take on my situation. You don't belong on this website - you are a feminist nazi, or some crazed lunatic redneck guy - one of the two. Either way, you are no friend to our cause. What makes you think I won't take up your challenge?? If you live here in Alaska I might beat you up!! But I'm pretty sure you don't, and you're lucky too!
If this were Japan, I would be the Samauri, and you would be the evil mercenary ninja. Yes, ninjas are cool, and most people like them more, but the samauri are the true warrior who fight for justice and righteousness. And even though my Unitarian background teaches that there is not absolute right or wrong, but still I feel confident in saying that you are wrong.
Anyway, don't get too caught up in this - this is a support site, not an argumentative site. But fuck you anyways. But let's support the cause.
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Don't even mention Samurai code in my presence.
And if I did live in Alaska you would not beat me up. I weigh more than your wife. You would cower and feel guilty.
TRUE, this is not an argumentative site. I will accept the fuck you. After my insults you would have the right to say such things.
But, you really have no idea what being a man is about. My rights and my standards in my relationship exist because I set them. Not society. I literally sat down with my girlfriend and SAID, this is how it goes. If things deviate I'm out.
Everything in my life is because I chose it that way. And anything bad is my fault. Ultimate culpability... that is being a man. You are not a man.
I don't except
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by Anonymous User on 12:35 PM April 7th, 2004 EST (#93)
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Xamot.
I feel alot of sympathy for you.
I am sorry you feel so sad.
I am sorry you can't see what you are saying is pure bigotry.
Where did you learn to hate so deeply...?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Yeah, they're girlfriends before their your wife Matlock.
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by Anonymous User on 02:48 AM April 9th, 2004 EST (#122)
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Dear God Xamot - you are a disturbed individual! Bruises and soreness are funny? There is no more point in talking with you because you glorify violence!! You claim to be a socialist, yet you like this kind of stuff - you sound like a troubled militia member to me! And don't try and romanticism crotch attacks - they are painful and can cause much long-term damage. I personally have felt chronic pain in my testicles during ejaculation - which I attribute to the ferocious attacks in the groin area that I was subjected to - and it is NO LAUGHING MATTER.
And this a societal problem if, as you say, everyone finds this activity funny. As many, MANY people have already said - it would not be funny to show women or children being brutalized in this way. You are just sick Xamot - you are not a man, you are a psychopath
-Bush-Hater (my login isn't working - probably because Xamot hacked my account and destroyed it - you are SICK!)
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by Anonymous User on 06:54 PM April 6th, 2004 EST (#37)
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Thank you for contacting International Dairy Queen, Inc. (IDQ) regarding
your concerns with the Dairy Queen® commercial featuring our CheeseQuake
Blizzard® Flavor Treats. Please be assured that in no way was this
commercial intended to offend.
Our national advertising agency that produced the spot, aimed for an
upbeat and humorous theme. It obviously missed the mark with you. I want
you to know that we are taking your comments seriously and will take them
into consideration as we review our advertising plans for the remainder of
this year.
Thank you again for taking the time to share your concerns with us. Please
let me know if I can be of further assistance to you.
Best regards,
INTERNATIONAL DAIRY QUEEN, INC.
Carolyn Kidder
Consumer Relations Manager
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YEEEHAWWWW. A victory for men everywhere!
God this issue is dumb...
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no, dont appologize! im a guy and i thought it was one of the funniest commercials ever. dont stop your stuff because a few people complain and gripe about a guy gettin hit in the balls. it was a great commercial and anyone who is offended can suck dairy queens....yeah...
p.s. chocolate chip cookie dough blizzards are the greatest
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by Anonymous User on 10:27 PM April 6th, 2004 EST (#46)
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I'll bet you guys like to see Black males lynched and castrated, too.
Bet you thought the Jewish holocaust was funny.
Bet you thought it was a gas when My people were slaughtered at wounded knee and forced to march on the trail of tears, too.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Check out the imagination on this one.
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by Anonymous User on 11:00 PM April 6th, 2004 EST (#51)
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Well.
You all keep saying that you enjoy seeing men being sexualy mutilated, debased and humiliated.
That takes a kind of bigotry, to be honest.
So why should your bigotry stop THERE?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I enjoy music, video games, writing, films, photography and saying what I feel.
Hm.. sexually mutilated men just doesn’t quite squeeeze in there.
If you want to declare me a bigot because I disagree with you, well fine. But that's just your inability to talk things out. You would much rather copout and chalk me up as a male bigot rather than even thinking that I may have a single valid notion.
I have been oppressed for my race. Beer bottles at my head, swords (yeah, a sword... don't ask) and knifes pulled on me and yelled obscenities. For you to equate my racial struggle to your sexual struggle is weak. And you sir are weak.
I am a man. My conviction, decisiveness, and my god damn will to say 'fuck off' makes that so. I am not a bigot of men, just a bigot of myopic minded intellectual dwarfs that can't see beyond their own needs, wants, comfort, and self pity.
Have a great day thinking you got the short end of the stick for being born with a cock and balls.
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by Anonymous User on 04:42 AM April 7th, 2004 EST (#63)
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"I am a man." I don't think you are. You are either a female troll or a cowardly male feminist lackey who doesn't have the guts to stand up to the feminists. Real men do not let feminists define what manhood is. You are like the black lackeys in the days of slavery, who exhorted their fellow slaves to be proud of their slavery. I am not proud to be a second class citizen on the basis of my gender, and am repelled by your suggestion that I should be proud.
Hotspur.
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NO MORON.
Real men do not let MEN WEBSITES define their masculinity.
I DEFINE WHO I AM. It’s called decisiveness. Try it you bitter troglodyte.
My existence is not defined by anybody but myself. And I will be damned if I give a hell what you think about who I am. There is a reason why I yell at people like you in the streets, at the gym, and in your cars. Because you are a tool.
Everything in my life is on my terms. And everyday I am surrounded by passives like you. You people gripe about everybody else while having no ambition to improve your own life. You think I'm a female? Well I think you are a feeble bitch who couldn't stand up for his own beliefs in front of his boss, his friends, or his peers.
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xamot, 95% of your comments are baseless attacks. You are one of those numbskulls who finds these things funny and because they are funny to you, you think they should be funny to everyone. But the funniness is only to you while those of us men who have hurt from crotch blows do not laugh or find the humor that you do. DQ's response was an unacceptable blowoff, and they need to know that if they persist in misandry, then we shall boycot. And if you think that is ridiculous, than just ask Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. who had a dream as many of us do that the hatred would stop.
And what the hell do you mean when you say "passive?!?!?" We are taking an active role in countering misandry - that is why it is called ACTIVISM!! We are ACTIVELY boycotting DQ, and now because of you, I am ACTIVELY boycotting McDonalds. Of course, I won't name you because I don't want you to lose your job, but I will be writing McDonald's to let them know that one of their employees is the reason I will not be eating there anymore.
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You are one of those numbskulls who finds these things funny and because they are funny to you, you think they should be funny to everyone.
I don't care if they are funny to everyone. They ARE funny to me. I couldn't even pretend to be everyone. Then how funny would I be? My jokes would be limited to word play, alliteration and rhymes. I'm not in 2nd grade so FUCK THAT. I can separate personal views from a joke because I am an adult.
DQ's response was an unacceptable blowoff, and they need to know that if they persist in misandry, then we shall boycot.
Hate to break it to you but they are a company, and all they care about is money (I know, that's crazy). Your niche man gravy group is not even a dent in their bottom line. They don't care about you.
And what the hell do you mean when you say "passive?!?!?"
PASSIVE - tending not to take an active or dominant part
Typing crap on a message board, e-mailing your buddies, and shaving 5cents off of a companies bottom line is far from dominant.
Throw a brick or manipulate and direct the masses. Hell, you can't even pull a decent centralized following together. You guys are far from dominant... hence PASSIVE.
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by Anonymous User on 12:40 PM April 7th, 2004 EST (#94)
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So, tell us Xamot, Do you think violence against women is funny?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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"Have a great day thinking you got the short end of the stick for being born with a cock and balls."
A while ago, I stopped using slangy words like this for genitalia, and I think others ought to consider doing the same. Many women become offended if you use "cute" words for their vaginas/ovaries/breasts, and I understand, but I think using clinical words for anyone's body parts is the way to go. I have a penis, not a "dick" or a "cock". I have testicles, not "balls" or "nuts". Balls are sporting goods that people kick (soccer), punch (volleyball), and/or strike with objects (golf), so I don't want to compare people's sexual organs to these items.
It seems like going too far to some, but I do see at least an indirect connection in how we "allow" sexual assault of men and how we use slang words for their bodies whereas slang words for women's bodies are considered much less PC.
bg
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Ya know Xamot, do you think it could be your oh so genteel way with words that caused you to be threatened? Maybe because you act like a jerk and pick fights with everyone?
Naaa, couldn't possible be that. No one would ever find YOU offensive.
Sometimes when everyone treats you like a jerk, it is because you ARE one.
The Biscuit Queen
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ROTF!!! HAHAHAHA!
McDonalds.....
HAHAHAHA! Now THAT was funny!
Maybe he is hoping to save up so he can put spinners on his Omni.
HAHAHA!
The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on 02:48 PM April 7th, 2004 EST (#105)
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"You guys are far from dominant... hence PASSIVE." You're getting confused. The opposite of dominant is submissive. The opposite of passive is active.
Hotspur.
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So we'll play English teacher all day?
I made my point.
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Given the right circumstances it can be. It's an issue of context and it should be judged on a case by case basis.
If you mean by someone just punching a woman for no reason. No, I don't find that funny.
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by Anonymous User on 02:52 AM April 9th, 2004 EST (#123)
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ENOUGH!! I have read enough from this crazy misandric miscreant!! Xamot - you are anti-men! If you are a man, then you must hate yourself because you are an enemy of men all over. We will not let you push us around and breathe your conservative feminine fire at us - VENOM, YOU SPEAK VENOM!!
-Bush-Hater
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by Anonymous User on 07:04 AM April 9th, 2004 EST (#129)
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"Given the right circumstances it can be. It's an issue of context and it should be judged on a case by case basis.
If you mean by someone just punching a woman for no reason. No, I don't find that funny."
Context is irrelevant. You have clearly indicted you delight in the abuse of men. It's not normal or socially acceptable. It's perverted, and hurtful and evil. You really do need some professional help with your abusiveness. I suggest you get some, and not from some domestic violence parrot that doesn't recognize that women batter men.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on 07:20 AM April 7th, 2004 EST (#84)
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by Anonymous User on 09:03 PM April 6th, 2004 EST (#44)
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A while ago, there was a Dairy Queen ad that was found to be offensive to people with thyroid disease. (Among other things, this condition can lead to increased weight.) People complained and the ad was pulled. In doing this, it was necessary to provide information as to why the ad was offensive to a significant number of people.
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I read the article. For somebody who writes in such a droll fashion, who is she to judge what is or is not funny?
And I bet, despite offending the larger sized people, they still came in droves for those sweet frosty treats.
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Give me a flipping break! If you are offended by the DQ commercial with the baby and the dad, then you need to get off your soap box and stop being such a moral zombie! I am a single father of one, not to mention a video editor for FOX that make commercials for a living. When that spot wins awards this year I hope you all fell stupid. Its people like you who are killing our society by reading to far into things like a simple little 30 second commercial that makes a person laugh or chuckle. Get REAL and if you don't like it then change the channel, don't bitch about it.....BE A MAN not a MOUSE! I give DQ 2 thumbs up, and I am still laughing from the first time I saw the spot run on national TV. YOU GO DQ!!!! As a matter of fact I will be going there for lunch......they got the best onion rings in the biz!
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by Anonymous User on 09:12 PM April 19th, 2004 EST (#135)
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Hear Hear! My wife has been telling me I have to see it. I was just disappointed to find they didn't have the commercial available on their website. Anyone know where I can find it?
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by Anonymous User on 01:43 PM April 24th, 2004 EST (#137)
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your wife is a bitch ass slut
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As I replied in the Foley's ad comment page, in certain versions of the commercial, after being kicked, the man (on his knees) makes a pathetic attempt at an opening line to a female at a table, showing him "humbled" in front of her, the always-confident feminist.
Also, I can't recall on what product, but a Frequent Flier miles credit card uses low-level misandric tactics. It shows a teen on the docks of a lake saying a loving and tragic goodbye to his girlfriend under the stars. He claims he'll come back as soon as possible, shouting behind him "I'll use my miles card! I'll use my miles card!". It cuts forward about 40-odd years, and the woman has greying hair, and he runs back to her on the same dock, holding roses. The girlfriend says "you're back" to which the man replies "it's been so long", and at which point she shoves him into the lake. She quips he never got [insert brand of] credit card, and he slaps himself in the forehead with the flowers as he's floating in the water. He gets in a taxi, and the driver asks "what's in *your* wallet?"
You'll know this commercial, if not by the description, by the fact that the female "actress" has lips roughly the size of two bananas.
"You're just upset because you were unlucky in love."
"I was NOT unlucky in love. I was unlucky in COURT." -Becker, from TV show of same name.
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What you saw was the Capital One commercial described below.
Steve
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"He gets in a taxi, and the driver asks "what's in *your* wallet?" "
Of course the whole underlying message here is "what a male must do to *get* a female." Our society is so gynocentric (focusing on the importance of females) that men are frequently given the message that they MUST go out of their way for the *privilege* of being in a woman's presence. Where women are told that they should be getting fame\attention\presents for no reason other than "they deserve it" for being born a female.
R
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Correct. I actually saw a female standup comic on Comedy Central who made some good points (and was actually serious, I believe). She basically talked about why men aren't as "chivalrous" as in the past, for reasons such as "they have to spend $10 to say hello to you in a bar, and then another $20 to get the wrong phone number". Later on, she commented in something like "and pick up the check once in a while!", raising the good point (that I have seen personally) that men are "jerks" or "machoists" or "pigs" if they don't want to pay for the woman's meal on a casual lunch.
There was a radio commercial (again, I forget the product... the advertisers focus so much on bashing men that they forget to actually ADVERTISE) where a woman was listening to a man talking, and the man is pouring out all sorts of feminazi-steryotypes-of-men, basically being the complete anti-christ in every sense. However, one line in it "...and I'm a little short on change, so could you...?" really ticks me off. Yeah, that man is a loser and in should no way be dated if he wants a woman to pick up the tab for lunch one time.
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"Yeah, that man is a loser and in should no way be dated if he wants a woman to pick up the tab for lunch one time."
This really, REALLY irks me when I have to listen to the constant chorus of "It's a mans world" and "Men have all the power" and "Women are weak, helpless oppressed victims of the evil patriarchy" (and so on and so on, I imgaine everyone knows these sayings).
If men are the ones with all the power and control, then why are MEN the ones that must pay for and compensate WOMEN for their companionship??!!
AAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!! Pet peeve.
R
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I saw this commercial just before the Dairy Queen one:
There is a new misandric Capital One commercial in which a couple are embracing at the end of a pier. The man runs off to get something, while the woman promises to wait for him. He returns
about 20 years later (both have visibly aged). He is sorry for the delay, and she pushes him into the water stating "You should have
used Capital One."
I sent the following message to Capital One:
Please forward this email to the advertising staff for Capital One:
I am writing to complain about the new Capital One commercial in which a couple are embracing at the end of a pier. The man runs off to get something, while the woman promises to wait for him. He returns about 20 years later (both have visibly aged). He is sorry for the delay, and she pushes him into the water stating "You should have used Capital One."
I'm sure that the ad was meant to be humorous. It wasn't for me. In fact, this commercial is very offensive to men in that it gives the impression that violence against men is acceptable and even funny. I doubt that you would have aired a similar ad showing a man pushing his girlfriend into the water because she didn't use Capital One.
It should be brought to your attention that anti-male ads such as these are being criticized on several websites (which are viewed by thousands of people each day). Men have become tired of negative portrayals of males in the media, and even some women are starting to speak out against this (it isn't particularly flattering to them either).
It is strongly recommended that you find an alternative approach to advertising Capital One (which is not insulting to men) before you cause yourself to lose a lot of business. Companies cannot afford to alienate half the population, particularly during a time of economic uncertainty.
By the way, it so happens that I used to be a Capital One cardholder until a few months ago when Chase Visa offered me a better deal. Now I'm glad I made the switch.
The contact email for Capital One is: webinfo@capitalone.com
Steve
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Dear Steven G Van Valkenburg,
Thank you for contacting Capital One.
We appreciate the time you have taken to provide us with feedback about our recent television commercial. Please be assured that your comments have been forwarded to the appropriate area for review.
We are sensitive to what consumers think of our communications and apologize for any offense to you. We make extensive use of consumer research before, during, and after the production of all of our advertising. We will keep your concerns in mind as we continue to develop means by which to convey the benefits of the valuable products we offer.
Sincerely,
L. Moneymaker
eCorrespondence
Capital One Services(R)
Visit us online at http://www.capitalone.com, where you can access valuable
products and services.
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[Part of this message was posted at the end of the old Foley's thread, which had died down]
I received a message on my answering machine (several days ago) as follows:
“Hi Steven, my name is Marsha Byer, I’m the store manager of the Foley’s store in Broomfield and I received a copy of your letter regarding the plasma screen spots and I’m certainly very sorry that you were offended by it. I have talked to our corporate offices, obviously, the advertising is done through our corporation … and I have forwarded your letter on to them.
Thanks very much, and again we appreciate your feedback very much, and we hope to keep you as a customer. Thanks, bye.”
I spoke to Marsha Byer on the phone briefly after this message, and she seemed polite and said that she was sorry if the ad caused any offense.
So, perhaps we can hold off on putting Foley's on the boycott list for now.
Well, at least this is progress. J. C. Penney never even responded to my complaints.
Steve
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Between the lines of a response from Dairy Queen?
Wow, you just blew away the wool over the world's eyes. HEY EVERYBODY, another conspiracy uncovered! The men can sleep again, the Dairy Queen has been revealed for the emasculating corporate machine that they are.
That's right. Where do you think dairy comes from? The teat godamnit. And that's where they want us swinging back and forth from their corporate utter swilling every last emasculating message until we clean the dishes and take it in the ass from our wife Betty with the naghahide strap on. The revolution has begun boys, and Dairy Queen is the front line.
BOYCOTT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Anonymous User on 12:21 AM April 7th, 2004 EST (#57)
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...you don't GET what we're trying to do here, do you...?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I do. But I think that using feministic tactics for a male agenda is cowardice, passive, weak, and pathetic.
There are traits that are innate to being a man. These traits are what empower us. You people are fighting fire with fire when napalm is at your fingertips.
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We just want what is right for every man, we just need our issues pushed in a conservatively dominated media that is out to crush us! So let's take this back to the beginning - it is abhorrent to find pleasure in the suffering of a man.
As a victim of spousal abuse myself, I take these things VERY seriously. My wife was 4'11" and 100 lbs. and I am 5'9" 190 lbs. and she beat the hell out of me daily. That makes you find such things less funny - especially when the worst part was the crotch-kicking.
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You are fucking pathetic.
As your own website states, "spousal abuse is a two way street". You let her beat you, and it is partially your fault. Deal, and stop pushing your bullshit on me.
I have been hit so many times by women, and the shit didn't hurt because I AM A MAN. Can you read this? I will let every woman hit me, because it is all lumps and bruises. Everything heals because I AM A MAN.
In truth. You are a passive coward who let a 4'11 100lbs woman walk on you. And you are a passive coward who let a corporate job take the best years from you. And you are a passive coward who let the state, the government, and the police own you because you were too much of a coward to fight back.
Only in numbers can people like you find strength because alone you are cowards.
Don't even talk to me. You have no honor, no dignity, and you are no man.
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"As a victim of spousal abuse myself, I take these things VERY seriously. My wife was 4'11" and 100 lbs. and I am 5'9" 190 lbs. and she beat the hell out of me daily. That makes you find such things less funny - especially when the worst part was the crotch-kicking."
B-H: I'm not a Bush-hater myself, but you have my sympathies. I welcome you to go to safe4all.org, an organization that helps anyone who is abused, not matter what gender, and no matter how big or small the person may be.
I hope you have taken legal action against this woman; she needs to be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
bg
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by Anonymous User on 12:45 PM April 7th, 2004 EST (#95)
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You don't understand what happens to men in domestic abuse cases. either, do you?
If he were to even push her away while she was attacking him HE might end up in jail.
THAT'S how the system works, generaly.
Do some research, man.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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"You are fucking pathetic."
Not as pathetic as you are, troll...
"As your own website states, "spousal abuse is a two way street". You let her beat you, and it is partially your fault. Deal, and stop pushing your bullshit on me."
He "let her" beat him? Is that what you'd say to a woman who is getting beaten by her husband? "You let him beat you?"
"I have been hit so many times by women, and the shit didn't hurt because I AM A MAN. Can you read this? I will let every woman hit me, because it is all lumps and bruises. Everything heals because I AM A MAN."
So you LET women hit you and you talk about OTHER people like they're "passive cowards"? Are you that dense that you miss the irony here?
"Don't even talk to me. You have no honor, no dignity, and you are no man."
Honor and dignity lie within standing up for your rights. You're more interested in alpha male bravado. Hit the road, ya little twerp...
bg
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Me thinks he doth protest too much....
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by Anonymous User on 10:31 PM April 7th, 2004 EST (#111)
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Th-wack! Th-wack! (Whip sound effect)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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. . .that's assuming this *isn't* just a pathetically obvious attempt to stir up division in the ranks here over political affiliations -- a laughably incompetent attempt to create a pointless flamewar between the susceptible regulars here over their liberal/conservative allegiances. . .
. . .right?
Ack!
Non Illegitimi Carborundum, and KOT!
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by Anonymous User on 12:28 PM April 8th, 2004 EST (#115)
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Yes, that, amoung other things.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 03:06 AM April 9th, 2004 EST (#124)
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Well, all political beliefs aside, spousal abuse is a serious thing, and I thank most of you for the support. This is a great site for these issues - and I really appreciate having this here to discuss and read about these issues. Forget the name for a while - it doesn't matter what political persuation we are, men's issues are too important to let those divisions divide us. I'll tone down the political speak going forward.
B-H
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. . .way too overblown from the start, and way too fast a complete reversal in tone here.
Not buying it.
Ack!
Non Illegitimi Carborundum, and KOT!
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This comment is exactly what the FBI infiltrators used to destroy every movement of the 70's. Get in, get some approval (though Xamot has certainly failed at that, being nothing more than a purposefully dense misandric idiot), and then urge violence.
Scary. Am I reading too much into this? Possibly, but maybe not.
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Substitute the word and re-think the sentence then.
A Foley's store? Holy shit, that changes everything.
Douche.
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by Anonymous User on 03:14 AM April 9th, 2004 EST (#125)
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Oh can-it you jerk. You think that by coming up with the cleverist insults that you win the argument. Well, you were wrong, wrong, wrong on this one, and you can't even admit it.
Why are you even on this site if:
a. you don't support our cause
b. you obviously like seeing men hurt
c. you don't like any of us posting on here
d. you are a feminist
You are pathetic Xamot, and like someone said earlier - I feel sorry for you.
B-H
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by Anonymous User on 06:09 AM April 9th, 2004 EST (#126)
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Yeah, that was me that said I feel sorry for him. (or her or whatever)
I MEANT it, too. and not in a condecending way.
I really do feel sorrow for this person.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 09:48 PM April 5th, 2004 EST (#11)
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There are so many TV ads that sell products using ridicule, violence, and sexual assaults on men that there must be a coordinated effort behind it.
I think the advertising industry itself is pushing these ads to their clients, saying how funny and effective they are.
Let's find out who the advertising firms are behind Diary Queen and Foleys and Bud Lite and Capital One and Trident Gum and Honda and Progressive Insurance and Dell Computer and Apple Computer. Let's get the advertising firms fired, not just the ads pulled.
TLE
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by Anonymous User on 12:54 AM April 6th, 2004 EST (#16)
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To answer my own question...
It looks like the Dairy Queen ads were created by an agency named Walz Tetrick, and the director of client services for this ad agency is a female named Siobhan McLaughlin Lesley. The Dairy Queen exec who selected Walz Tetrick as an agency is Karlene Wieland, Dairy Queen's regional marketing director.
Obviously these women are not concerned with sexual violence if it sells Blizzards.
Story here.
TLE
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by Anonymous User on 08:51 PM April 6th, 2004 EST (#43)
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by Anonymous User on 01:20 AM April 6th, 2004 EST (#17)
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Here's a link about the Bud Light ads and their popularity.
The ad agency for the crotch biting dog was Downtown Partners, DDB.
Trident Gum, Agency: J. Walter Thompson, part of the WPP Group.
I think there should be an effort to track commercials that use violence toward men, and a co-ordinated effort to write to the companies and reference the ad agencies. And yes, I would support the same action toward commercials that use violence against females to sell products. Has anyone seen any?
TLE
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This is a nice source: http://www.adforum.com/
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by Anonymous User on 10:30 PM April 5th, 2004 EST (#12)
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My players will never be treated to DQ again, and if they ask why - I will say DQ does not teach the same type of of respect that we share for eachother on the field.
For the rest of my life I will bring tmy players to the local ice cream store instead. And I got a long way to go and thousands of kids to go before I'm done coaching.
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So when a right field grounder ricochets off of a pebble and kicks one of them little b@st@rds in the good and plentys what will you do then?
Declare the baseball misandric?
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by Anonymous User on 06:10 PM April 10th, 2004 EST (#131)
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"So when a right field grounder ricochets off of a pebble and kicks one of them little b@st@rds in the good and plentys what will you do then? Declare the baseball misandric?
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We will teach them how to better master the game of baseball. Of course we would not blame the baseball, everybody knows baseballs aren't vicious, misandric gender feminists. We don't subsribe the gender feminist Mantra for life, "I must blame someone for all my mistakes, because I can't take responsibilty for myself."
Sincerely, Ray
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I wonder if the idiot writers who create these misandrous commercials where young children commit sexual battery on their father's genitals have some sort of Freudian psychological problem?
Maybe they are promoting patricide? It all sounds rather sick to me.
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Patricide is sweet. Then we can get them back for the fucked up world that they left us.
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by Anonymous User on 12:23 AM April 7th, 2004 EST (#58)
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...does your home-world know you're here...?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Assuming you are Native American… you must know what are forefathers left us.
The Trail of Tears and the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.
Wouldn't it be funny if the women did much better with their power than our forefathers did?
Ha ha. That would be fucked up. But I think women can be as ambitious and cutthroat as anybody. I'm a man and I'm not scared of women. Their gender role has been assigned and most of them believe and follow it. YES, the gender role of men is being reassigned, and that's why you guys feel so obsolete... because that is what you are becoming.
But if you could think objectively you would see that the women are as enslaved as YOU are. Thus making them as easy to manipulate.
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Xamot - you Bush-loving conservative $@&%! First of all, I doubt you're a man at all, you're obviously a man-hating feminist. Which is fine, but where do you get all your gun-toting hill-billy notions that it is ok to laugh at the misery and mistreatment of men?? You know, this site is NOT a joke, and you continually want to make it into one. You think on the one hand that women should tout their anti-male agenda in the advertising realm, but on the other you say they are easy to manipulate?? I know you... oh, I do know who you are. You are a bitter conservative soccer mom who should get a divorce from her abusive husband (I'm sure you drive him to hit you).
You and Bush can goto hell - if you're not serious about men's activism issues then go back to your dick-hating message boards!!
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Soccer mom? Then your my bitch.
Insight me to drop the topic? Keeping insulting cause your logic fits on a bumper sticker. You indecisive passive coward.
It's ok to laugh at everybody YOU GODAMN PUSSY. Just because it hurt your feeling doesn't mean it is not objectively funny. Cry a river because your mouth runs like a cunt.
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YOU JERK!! Oh, I'm so angry I can scream!! You redneck bastard, you conservative redneck bastard!! I'll have you know that there are plenty of others who agree with me. But they don't speak up because of your mean-spirited comments!! Trust me, they want to say something, but don't want the abuse - so you can go ahead and take it out on me, but I'm on to you! I see you for the bitter person you are - maybe you are a male. If so, you need to let the hurt dissipate and join us in pushing men's issues!
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DAMN STRAIGHT.
And I am a commi pinko socialist you moron.
You’re right, they won't speak because you are all cowards. And I will MANNLY walk my ass across your passive face because you people are too weak to tell the world what you think. Instead you imagine a world where everybody (even the women that wouldn't date you) plot your demise and everybody is causing your downfall and problems.
In reality. It is your lack of conviction and decisiveness that created all of your problems. Think back.
That girl that trapped you in an unhappy relationship? THAT WAS YOUR FAULT. Because you weren't man enough to leave.
That female boss that you could never tell off? YOUR FAULT because you were too much of a pussy to throw your job away, change your career path and live the way you dreamed.
You are not a man. You are whining stepping stool.
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by Anonymous User on 12:50 PM April 7th, 2004 EST (#97)
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Xamot, I ask you again.
Do you think violence against WOMEN is funny?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 06:48 PM April 10th, 2004 EST (#132)
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"You’re right, they won't speak because you are all cowards. And I will MANNLY walk my ass across your passive face because you people are too weak to tell the world what you think. Instead you imagine a world where everybody (even the women that wouldn't date you) plot your demise and everybody is causing your downfall and problems."
Hmmm, you're going to get manly and you can't even spell it correctly.
I believe we are actively confronting that area of the world (radical/gender feminism) that has been responsible for an inordinate amount of pain and suffering in men's lives. It will take a lot of time and effort as it has been spreading undetected like a cancer for many years. Men are at fault for being too good natured, trusting and helpful of an insidious institution, that they thought was good. Chivalry bears a large part of the blame for that. Many men and women now suffer as a result of the decades of abuse by radical/gender feminism.
"That girl that trapped you in an unhappy relationship? THAT WAS YOUR FAULT. Because you weren't man enough to leave."
Maybe men are just to used to all the bad things that they have to endure in life, that they didn't see the marriage as being as bad off as the woman, who as we know are showered with special privileges from cradle to grave.
"That female boss that you could never tell off? YOUR FAULT because you were too much of a pussy to throw your job away, change your career path and live the way you dreamed."
Unlike you, some people develop people skills and manage their bosses using learned interaction techniques. Unlike you, some people de-escalate conflict and don't see every disagreement as a crisis to be treated with abusive language, rather it is an opportunity to possibly learn a valuable perspective. There's an old saying, There's wisdom in much council." That's assuming of course, that the counselor is of a sound and intelligent mind. Good communication skills help too.
"You are not a man. You are whining stepping stool."
If that is true does that negate your theory of the "glass ceiling," which talks about all the power and control that men have in the work force to this day?
You appear to have many conflicts, and appear not be handling them well. It even appears you have an element of transference working in your personality, wherein you see others as having the faults and short comings that you posses.
I highly recommend that you seek professional help, and not just from some mainstream domestic violence quack who doesn't recognize that women are violent and abusive people. Good luck in your therapy.
Sincerely, Ray
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Alot of the wussy poopies reside on this site... wanting "equality", not woman to be sweet and submissive and feminine and out of power (govt etc) as they should be (bible).
I am sorry that you believe that women are out of power, considering the multitude of laws which exist to benefit only Women. If women had no power in the government there would not be any of these laws.
So does this mean that America's Funniest Home Videos is a form of misandric entertainment? A lot of men get hit in the cheap seats on that show.
True, those segments are portrayed as humor. Where if it was the exact same scenario but replace the man with a woman, it is not considered humorous at all. When it is done to a woman it is considered "Sexual Assault", and not for men.
Correct. I actually saw a female standup comic on Comedy Central who made some good points (and was actually serious, I believe). She basically talked about why men aren't as "chivalrous" as in the past, for reasons such as "they have to spend $10 to say hello to you in a bar, and then another $20 to get the wrong phone number". Later on, she commented in something like "and pick up the check once in a while!", raising the good point (that I have seen personally) that men are "jerks" or "machoists" or "pigs" if they don't want to pay for the woman's meal on a casual lunch.
Why should I be required by society to compensate you for the privilege of spending time with you. Come on I can go hang out at a bar, not say anything and get laid. The sexual freedom of women has released men from needing to form relationships to get the benefits of them. Regarding the pick up the check once in a while. You are an "equal" woman, you can "equally" pick up the check.
So because YOU want to see women getting punched in the vagina I have to lose out on all of the great dick jokes?
I read lots of jokes, and there are not that many good dick jokes out there.
And even if a baby did kick a woman in the Vagina, it wouldn't really do much to her. Lighten up, it's a commercial designed to sell ice cream. I mean if you really want to see women get beat to crap rent a Max Hardcore video. There are many specialty videos that will accommodate your needs.
This is not wanted at all. Women being punched in the vagina is considered one of the most heinous crimes. Men kicked in the testicles / penis are portrayed as valid revenge, and comedy. This is the point that most people are trying to make here. Society views of males being injured, killed, murdered, maimed, assaulted, can be considered plot devices, and comedy. None of those can be applied to women, or people would be up in arms.
sir, may i ask how old you are? you have to be the biggest pussy i have ever seen in my life. in fact, you all are the biggest bunch of pussies i have ever seen. you all are probably not married and if you are, im sure your wife is either currently filing for divorce or cheating on you. You complain about commercials being against guys but this whole website is because it gives men a bad name. i am also a man and i cant stop laughing at all the pussified crap you all put on here. "ooh that commercial shows a man losing a board game to a woman. I WANT TO COMPLAIN!" seriously, dude, grow up. you all know as well as i do that women have it harder. they have babies, they have periods, they get paid less, and they have to clean and cook. they are moody, they complain, nag, moan, groan and cry for no reason. im so glad to be a man and you all should be too. but this whole website, your whole idea looks good on paper, but so did communism.
thanks
~a real man
Men have much more worse things in store for them than having babies. Or did you forget that women having babies exempts them from most things, and gives them special privileges.
- Family Courts are biased in their favor.
- Females are not required to sign up for Selective Service, and can be potentially sent to war.
- Female soldiers are not allowed to be in direct combat situations.
- Situations involving violence and men and women, the men are required to defend the women.
- Women working the same job, the same amount of time, and the same amount of absence, will be making the same amount or more, this has been proven in multiple studies.
- Women also have the option of working in adult industries which are not taxed, and not taken into account for income levels.
- Women do not need to clean and cook, they got rid of those requirements a long time ago. Most normal people today can clean and cook for themselves.
- Because women are more emotional then men that does not give them any more rights than men.
- Women today have the right to many freedoms, and men have the responsibility to enforce those freedoms.
See, and I get to keep the dick jokes in my Dairy Queen ads.
The world is wonderful.
Sure, no one cares about your view of humor, just the fact that many non-vocal men here will read some of this article, and will boycot Dairy Queen and the brazier brand, making them less money, and making less commercials.
This really, REALLY irks me when I have to listen to the constant chorus of "It's a mans world" and "Men have all the power" and "Women are weak, helpless oppressed victims of the evil patriarchy" (and so on and so on, I imgaine everyone knows these sayings).
True if men had all the power, I should just be able to snap my fingers and poof things should be going exactly my way. Oh yeah I live in the real world where most people do not have hardly any power.
You argued that there is a double standard in the presentation of violence. That it’s not okay to show men being assaulted because society isn't fair and won't show women being assaulted.
I mean you’re not here defending against the abuse of all people, just men. So, since you were so specific in only defending one gender it would stand to reason that you are indifferent in the abuse of the other (since you never said otherwise).
If you don't want anybody being assaulted, well then good on you and I don't know why you would misrepresent yourself as only caring about men.
And I don't enjoy the debasing of women, so there is no need to call me anything.
Women already have the privilege of not being assaulted. These acts usually cannot be depicted on TV. Men are the victims of every crime moreso than women. Why would you need to defend someone who already has protections in place. Have you ever heard of the "Violence against Women Act"?
So when a right field grounder ricochets off of a pebble and kicks one of them little b@st@rds in the good and plentys what will you do then?
Declare the baseball misandric?
When a baseball player is hit in the groin by a baseball, it is not seen as a comedic thing. It is seen as an accident. He is rushed off of the field in a stretcher.
...does your home-world know you're here...?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
Thundercloud, I agree, Xamont should go and hang out where people share the same viewpoint as him. Xamont go check out this website and look at the boards there. http://www.msmagazine.com
I do. But I think that using feministic tactics for a male agenda is cowardice, passive, weak, and pathetic.
Feministic tactics, for discussing boycotting a company which portrays violence against a specific group based on defining characteristics.
There are traits that are innate to being a man. These traits are what empower us. You people are fighting fire with fire when napalm is at your fingertips.
Sure going out and murdering people is not one of the values that is supported, and promoted here. There is a time for violence, and we do not need to use that.
As your own website states, "spousal abuse is a two way street". You let her beat you, and it is partially your fault. Deal, and stop pushing your bullshit on me.
Exactly, and if he calls the police he is arrested. He most likely does not have anywhere to go, there are very few shelters available for men and their families. You do not know the circumstances. Why do some female victims stay, the same reasons that male victims stay. Males also have other reasons, because they need to be macho, they have to take it, or are unable to get help because they are ridiculed for the violent acts that were dealt to them by a "tiny woman" who is more likely to use weapons (which compensates) for the violence of these acts.
But, you really have no idea what being a man is about. My rights and my standards in my relationship exist because I set them. Not society. I literally sat down with my girlfriend and SAID, this is how it goes. If things deviate I'm out.
Everything in my life is because I chose it that way. And anything bad is my fault. Ultimate culpability... that is being a man. You are not a man.
Wait till you get married, and divorced. You will enjoy the fun that happens (as you have no control over what happens at that point), and the fact that you will have no rights. You will have a criminal record. Oh yes, people do not like when it benefits them, yeah right. Your wage will be garnished, and almost everything that you have will be taken away from you and be given to your ex-wife. You will also miss the fact that there are many people here who support people in that situation.
Hate to break it to you but they are a company, and all they care about is money (I know, that's crazy). Your niche man gravy group is not even a dent in their bottom line. They don't care about you.
True they may not care about one person, with the annonymitiy of the internet, but you do not know who that one person is.
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I think that Xamot is just one of of those people who like to get a rise out of others. It has made no real points at all, it just leaps on whatever sentence will allow it to abuse someone else. I was thinking for awhile that it was fun to play with, but it is boring me. It has a horrid command of the English language, switches topics more times than Carter has liver pills, and is in a severe need of a bar of Zest liberally applied to the inside of it's mouth.
Xemot has chosen this site for today, I am sure tomorrow it will chose some other site, and it will continue spreading like some vile bacterial infection in need of medical treatment. I suggest we just ignore it and hope it goes away. If it doesn't, then we still ignore it and it can waste it's time.
We have far better things to do than listen to this bitter little person try and emasculate us. I know that the men on this site are honerable, kind, decent-hearted men who do not deserve any of the insults xamot has piled on you. Do not let it's childish taunts pull you down to it's level. We have the final say on how we each react, and I for one am done reacting.
~The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on 10:36 PM April 7th, 2004 EST (#112)
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I'm with you, Jen.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 12:55 AM April 8th, 2004 EST (#114)
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This is an almost comical attack on the site by one or two rad-fems. It serves as a reminder about who we are up against, their mentality and tactics.
It's also a reminder that feminists will not support any men's rights issues regardless of merit. We are the hated ones.
It will be a good story for when we look back on our successes.
TLE
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by Anonymous User on 12:32 PM April 8th, 2004 EST (#116)
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Okay but I want to try this one more time.
Xamot, either you missed my posts asking this question or you ignored them, so I'll ask one more time; Do you think violence against WOMEN is funny?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 05:00 PM April 20th, 2004 EST (#136)
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It sounds to me by many of the posts, that the users of this site are more angry with women than they are about supposed injustices towards men. When exactly did we lose the all too important ability to laugh at ourselves, including the occasional kick in the groin? Is it, as one post intimated, because commercials such as Dairy Queen's most recent ad could not get away with the kick in the groin if that kick were instituted upon a woman? That sort of attitude leads me to believe that some of the comments on this board come from 'sour grapes' rather than a sense of right and wrong - a tit for tat reaction. Honestly, with all of the difficulties that this world faces, some guy getting smacked in the groin by a baby on television is pretty far down on my list of 'things that need to be fixed'. Besides, every one of us that are fathers have been kneed in the groin and head butted by our children at some point in their young lives (accidentally in this case) - and if there is a father who can honestly say that it has not happened to them - I will say to them that they are not nearly as involved with their children as they should be. So in short, get a life and quit worrying that Dairy Queen might actually get a laugh out of 98% of us.
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by Anonymous User on 07:03 PM April 5th, 2004 EST (#4)
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A response from Dairy Queen perhaps?
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Perhaps this person was really empathising with us, and expression their feelings toward the Dairy Queen commercial?
Steve
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I'm wondering if there are connections between the popularity of marketing and consumer research as college major areas of study for females, recent hiring patterns by advertising firms to recruit more females, and the proliferation of anti-male, misandric ad spots?
It certainly seems that marketing "creatives" have a penchant for using men as targets and foils in advertising concepts.
Equally obvious is the lack of similar ad concepts using women in parallel negative roles.
Every one of these anti-male commercials starts with a writer, a concepting team of "creatives," and eventually the executive approval from the ad agency and its client.
That all these anti-men ads keep seeing the light of day suggests that PC-think is firmly entrenched in the major ad agencies, and that client companies are also going along with the male-bashing.
As long as they believe this stuff gets attention and helps sell the product, it will keep getting produced...
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on 10:37 PM April 5th, 2004 EST (#13)
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Well, It's like I said one time before.
I have noticed that with the increase of FEMALE writers in movies and TV there has been an equal increase in anti-male matirial. Couple man-hateing female writers with wussie-poopie self hateing male writers and this is what you get.
There's little doubt in my mind that commercials are written by the SAME type of people.
I said it before, I'll say it again; The media is RIFE with fembots and wussie-poopies.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 11:43 PM April 5th, 2004 EST (#14)
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Alot of the wussy poopies reside on this site... wanting "equality", not woman to be sweet and submissive and feminine and out of power (govt etc) as they should be (bible).
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You are doing much to damage the chance of the men's movement by saying things like this. Women will never go to being "sweet, submissive, and out of power. The bible does not say women should be submissive, it says women should submit to their husbands. There is a big difference there. If I were submissive, I would let all men walk over me. I do not. I do however, submit to my husband in that we discuss things and I do not go against his final wishes. He in turn does not ask that which would not benefit me. It works out that niether of us really has to give up anything. Out of respect for me he would never give me orders out of hand. Do not assume the bible gives you all out control over women, because it does not.
The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on 03:04 PM April 6th, 2004 EST (#25)
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You go Jen!
I agree with what you say 100%.
As far as the possible Troll is conserned..., All I can tell you is if you want women to be "sweet and innocent" fine. I wish more people in GENERAL were sweet and innocent not just women.
As far as women "submitting to men", I doubt you'll find even ONE person that will agree with you, here.
Our goal here is NOT to make women submit to or be subserviant to men, it is simply to restore justice FOR men But in no way strip women of their equal and deserved civil and constitutional rights.
We abvocate TRUE EQUALITY here. Nothing more, nothing less.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I agree. My bone to pick isn't with women in general, or even feminists in general. It's only the vocal minority that impose their ideals, their will, and their very thoughts on others that I have a problem with. I would never want women to have to go back to the times where they were opressed and right-less, what I want is for men to never reach that state. And looking at the current trends...
However, I will say this. Interpret "men" as you like.
"When men are given power, there is only one other thing they desire. More power."
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by Anonymous User on 03:32 PM April 6th, 2004 EST (#29)
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"You are doing much to damage the chance of the men's movement by saying things like this." Which of course is the objective of the troll.
Hotspur.
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It should be noted that "submit" goes both ways. In areas where I have expertise Jen will go by what I decide, and in areas where she has expertise I go by what she says.
Of course that's not to say there isn't a fair amount of "INTENSE negotiations" that go on, but in the end one or the other of us has ultimate responsibility... and the authority to act on it.
The idea that one or the other partner should dominate and the other be submissive is sad IMO, I would never fit into EITHER role, and I couldn't live with a partner who desired to be either submissive ( BORING ) or dominant ( ANNOYING ).
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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by Anonymous User on 06:18 AM April 6th, 2004 EST (#19)
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"I have noticed that with the increase of FEMALE writers in movies and TV.."
Very true. If you watch the closing credits, the "script supervisors" are female.
Hotspur.
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by Anonymous User on 03:05 PM April 6th, 2004 EST (#26)
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Exactly.
I literaly DO keep track of things like that.
If you watch older TV shows where most if not all the writers were male, you do NOT see the level of misandry that you see in contemporairy movies and TV shows where women make up half or more of the script writers, or story-conultants.
The increase in female writers began heavily in the mid 90's I beleive.
Of course you have to be able to sort out the wussy-poopie MALE writers as well. The first anti-male, wussie-poopie male writer that springs to my mind is that lunk-head Quenton Tarantino.
Again, feminist women + wussie-pooie men = more anti-male hate than you can shake a stick at.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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If you have a problem then write your own script you lazy hack.
Now you’re treading on my industry and I definitely know you're insane because these topics never appear in THEIR meetings.
Where you are at in your life IS YOUR FAULT. These women worked their asses off (in a male dominated industry mind you) to be in a position to expound their "man hating rhetoric". And guess what? This is America and they earned IT. Tough nuts, write your own script, find a producer, a director, a production crew who can back you, and $30 million dollars.
You can't. Cause you are a waste who blames others for your own lack of ambition.
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by Anonymous User on 06:57 AM April 9th, 2004 EST (#128)
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"These women worked their asses off (in a male dominated industry mind you)..."
Whose to say the just didn't sexploit their way to the top like so many women have?
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