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A female student at Mount Saint Vincent gave her boyfriend a parting kiss as they went to separate classes in the corridor. She was observed doing so by a feminist prof and was taken aside and told that she should not be seen doing that in Canadian Feminism's Holy of Holys and that Mount Saint Vincent was about "women making it without men". Her respose was "Speaking as one full grown full fledged adult to another, is YOUR sex life any of my business? If I am not having sex with YOU...who I am having sex with is none of your having sex business"
She was given a very rough time for this and was one of the few people at the Mount who would not participate in the ostricism that was orchestrated against me.
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The implicit value of the article is the incredible of viciousness of these females (two of which were adults!) It totally contradicts the concept that women--unlike men--are not prone to violence. Does anyone doubt that the women in question would be capable of, say, domestic violence or child abuse? That it would be unthinkable for one of them to, say, kill a spouse?
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The gist of the article is that adult females supposedly supervising a kid's party incited and encouraged aggravated assault between two girls.
There is no direct connection to feminism or men's rights issues here, other than the obvious and already known fact that women can indeed be vicious and perpetrate violence.
I agree with the other posters who have advised that this piece be dumped from this site.
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on 11:30 AM March 21st, 2004 EST (#7)
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Ray's take on this reminds me of a line from that Bruce Willis/Haley Joel Osment movie, The Sixth Sense. The famous line that has often been parodied is, "I see dead people. They're everywhere." In this case, I think Ray's take is, "I see radical feminist influence. It's everywhere." Radical feminist ideology has had 30 years to metastasize into every area of our society like this domestic violence story about overwhelmingly violent females clearly shows. There are many troubling attitudes that I see present in the females in this story, and they didn't, "just happen." These females are not existing in a cultural vacuum, devoid of the strong radical feminist influences that have been hammering our citizens through television entertainment, the media, schools, government, etc.
It doesn't take a stretch of the imagination to see the "Girl Power," and increasing female domestic violence that is happening in our country. This article is a clear case of females exerting power and control in an extremely violent manner to control male behavior as well as female behavior. How do you think the boy felt who kissed that girl who was beaten to a pulp?
I wonder why the boy was not beaten. Are men now just considered to be chattel (property)? I think the boy who kissed the girl in this article was nothing more in the minds of these women than a piece of meat (beef cake) to be possessed.
I also see in this article that two other males were directed to beat the girl as well. That's another example of power and control over males by a female. This story has most, if not all, of the elements that the misandrist domestic violence industry so vehemently denies, i.e., women who posses: extreme physical violence, jealousy, controlling behavior, dominating behavior by females of males, etc.. I wonder what choice epithets these battering females also employed that the paper did not report.
The author of the misandrist, Duluth Wheel (domestic violence model) should read this article over and over again, until the reality of battering females soaks in, and she/he changes the sexist language of that document which, 100%, portrays males as batterers and females as victims. I an surprised that so many feel that this type of female predation (domestic violence) affecting this lives of males as well as females is inappropriate for men’s activism.
R
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Ray,
I stand corrected about dismissing this article.
I didn't de-code the event with sufficient insight. You did.
Your argument is airtight.
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on 01:27 PM March 21st, 2004 EST (#9)
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I don't see a specific feminist connection here. I agree with Dittoh. If there was feminist influence, the man would have been blamed.
The relevance I see is that this incident illustrates that females are not "by nature" less violent, nor less capable of violence than males. Females may be motivated to use violence in different scenarios, but once they feel justified, females can be every bit as violent as males.
The creators of legislation such as the VAWA need to acknowledge this.
TLE
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Whether women are less violent "by nature" and whether or not they are "capable" of violence are two differant questions,and answering one does not provide proof of the other.
To answer the question of whether or not women are "capable"or not is easy enough,we are all capable simply because we are all human and we don't actually need examples such as the one in the article to prove women capable,since they clearly are.
Whether or not there is any differance in our "nature" when it comes to violence would be determined by how often men resort to violence compared to women and also how willing men were to use violence compared to women.The worlds history would seem to provide enough proof to settle that question,but if more were needed we could simply look to crime stats that show 9 out of every 10 violent offenders are men, it also shows that 7 out of every 10 victims are men and thats because we as men live in a world of violence, it's a fundamental part of our nature and our existence.And even though women have shown themselves willing to run over husbands in parking lots or castrate them while they slept,this does not mean our violent "nature's" are not differant, for they are.
Male aggression is our strength as well as our weakness just as female compassion is their strength and their weakness, both can be turned to destructive ends or used positively,and both approaches are available to both genders, just not in "equal"measure.
"All you fascists bound to lose" - Woody Guthrie
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by Anonymous User on 02:24 AM March 22nd, 2004 EST (#12)
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My point has more to do with the concept of violence being a male trait, as so often claimed by the female supremacists.
Clearly men commit the majority of violent acts in the world, but much of it has to do with the fact that men are forced into violent acts more than women. Men must fight wars because of our greater strength. Desperate men cannot usually seek shelter with sympathetic women, and instead commit crimes. Middle and upper class men are not generally violent.
I agree with you that there are differences in male and female that are hard-wired. Our strength and aggression leads us more frequently toward violence. But I would say we are the result of a combination of biology and environment, and that violence is not an intrinsically male trait. I do not believe that men are hard-wired for violent behavior.
TLE
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by Anonymous User on 01:26 PM March 22nd, 2004 EST (#13)
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Okay, Two things.
One;
the article said "the realationship (between the two supervising women) was unclear".
Alright, How much do you wanna bet that the two women are lesbians and are lovers, and that the article's author is being vauge just to be politicaly correct?
And two;
I haven't seen or read or heard word one about this in any media out-let.
How much do you wanna bet that if the two supervising adults had been MEN that this story would get wall to wall coverge?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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This female violence incident happened in Baltimore, Maryland, the state that is trying to pass a very female friendly marital rape law. In other words, if the wifie poo said her husband raped her, he raped her end of story. He gets the same punishment and amount of time in prison as if he committed international espionage. Just think how much violence the women who committed this assault can do to an annoying husband that has ticked them off even over a trivial act.
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