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by Anonymous User on 08:04 PM February 29th, 2004 EST (#1)
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"association of harassed husbands"
A lot of men in America would love to join this.
"Maybe it has something to do with liberalism and women’s emancipation.’’
Another member, Prem Nath Pawar, says women have learnt how to “misuse’’ the various women’s protection laws. “The dice is loaded in their favour. Once the women file a case, the men are at the receiving end. There is nothing we can do though the police will tell you, and this is supported by our own research, that 95 per cent of the cases turn out bogus.’’
It appears there is a lot more common sense awareness of radical feminist scam laws in Indian government than there is in America, England and Austrailia regarding this.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 02:00 PM March 1st, 2004 EST (#2)
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Women can be burned to death if their husbands don't want them anymore, in India.
Women are also purchased by men like merchandise, in India.
What that man went through was wrong, but let's keep things in perspective.
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So, anon, what are you saying here.
Two wrongs make a right?
Since there is wrongdoing on the other side of the gender fence we should shut up?
It doesn't really matter what happened to this man since women are being wronged in India and that is the real issue?
The plight of men is what we care about and we will discuss and examine it from any angle we please as much as we please. If you care so much about your issues, start a forum to address them, don't use them as a lever to shut this thread down.
In other words, go peddle your crap elsewhere, I for one, am not buying!
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by Anonymous User on 02:51 PM March 1st, 2004 EST (#4)
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No, I'm saying that all abuse is wrong.
In America women get away with abusing men, but in India men get away with abusing women.
We should make that known.
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No, I'm saying that all abuse is wrong.
In America women get away with abusing men, but in India men get away with abusing women.
We should make that known.
I agree that all abuse is wrong.
This is a mens activism site. We are discussing the plight of an abused man in India. It seems you wish his suffering to be dismissed out of hand.
I suggest going to a more global site like stopabuse.org for "making it known." Do not try to co-opt a mens actavism site.
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by Anonymous User on 08:54 PM March 1st, 2004 EST (#10)
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Right. But you give anon more credit than it deserves. It's a classic silencing tactic of male haters to respond to some outrage against men with a story of some abuse women face, so as to distract attention from the former, and try to pretend that abuse of women justifies abuse of men. That's 6-year-old kid logic, and particularly insulting given the total lack of attention to men's issues.
Disgusting denial of men's issues.
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Women can be burned to death if their husbands don't want them anymore, in India.
Women are also purchased by men like merchandise, in India.
What that man went through was wrong, but let's keep things in perspective.
Sure here is a different perspective:
- Some young men in india are kidnapped, tortured, and forced to marry women (or die).
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by Anonymous User on 04:12 PM March 1st, 2004 EST (#7)
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I don't think the "Anon" is trying to be a troll, or anything. I just think she/he is not as well informed as she/he should be. (I'm not trying to get anything started.)
One point, Anon, is that, Yes, we know women are abused too. we know it is wrong as well. The point is that we always HEAR about it when women are abused but when men are abused we NEVER hear about it from the news media. I too have heared horror stories about how women are treated in India. Almost all of it I heared was from the media. If you want to see how abused men fair, in India or anywhere, for that matter, you have to do the research yourself.
My final point is this,
When Scott put up this site, my best guess is, that he KNEW that these stories of abused men, as well as all other men's issues were not being given air by the media, (And he would be right) Therefore he wanted a news page and forum to where we men fan FIND such stories that are sat on by the media.
So we are not DENYING that women are abused.
It is because people, feminists, the media and the like, ARE denying that MEN are abused that this forum exists.
So your point is taken, but you MUST see the whole picture.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
P.S.
Get a handle or something so we know who we're talking to.
Too many people post as "anonymous" and it gets confusing. Don't worry no one here will "bite" you.
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What that man went through was wrong, but let's keep things in perspective.
The perspective that says women's problems are the fault of society and that men's problems are ... unfortunate abberations?
Larry
ADULT: What you are once you've run out of excuses.
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by Anonymous User on 11:40 AM March 2nd, 2004 EST (#13)
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"Women...” “...but let's keep things in perspective."
In my perspective, what has happened, and is still happening, to men in America today at the hands of our "femi-supremacist government" is certainly as bad, or worse than what has happened to women in India. The totality of human suffering that American men have gone through is no less than Indian women.
Just because the violence against men (by women) in America hasn't been covered as visibly in the media as that occurring against women in India doesn't mean it hasn’t been as egregious in its own right. A lot of men's lives have literally been destroyed in cruel and inhuman ways in homes and in courts all across America, and the western world. The outright hatred and abuse of men in America, and the western world is, overall, worse than it ever was in India in my opinion. So, before the next time you set yourself up as the supremely omniscient judge of gender injustice, I suggest you pull your head out of your obfuscation and get things in perspective, based on the whole truth, rather than presumptuously lecturing others about "keeping things in perspective."
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on 12:39 PM March 2nd, 2004 EST (#14)
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Women have approximately 270 women’s commissions in America. Men have 1. There are over 700 women’s studies programs on college campuses in the western world, many in America, teaching gender studies strickly from a radical/gender feminist perspective
Your flagrant attempt to trivialize the suffering of men by calling attention to the allegedly greater suffering of women is over obvious and contemptible in light of the subterfuge inherent therein.
For years average men have been sent to fight in wars with no more power or control over their lives than a stone. Likewise, they have suffered more greatly than women in many areas. You should try to get a perspective of the whole truth and then, lastly, please try to keep this in perspective.
(click) Cannon Fodder
Please do not scroll up the page of the linked items. All the info I am trying to convey is only as the page comes up initially.)
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by Anonymous User on 01:32 PM March 2nd, 2004 EST (#15)
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Okay, fine you've all made your points.
I was just trying to say we should see the human suffering in toatal, not in gender compartments, alone.
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I was just trying to say we should see the human suffering in total, not in gender compartments, alone.
I'm glad we could help you refine your communication skills. It appeared in your initial post that by juxtaposing this man's suffering with socially sanctioned suffering of women in India you were comparing the two and wanted us to make that comparison and find the man's suffering less horrific.
However, now you have told us the you are against comparing suffering by gender. Therefore I must infer that in your initial post you were pointing out the similarities between the two classes of suffering and were equating them. The perspective you are urging us to is to view this man's suffering as equally reprehensible as the tribulations of women in India. Good show!
Larry
ADULT: What you are once you've run out of excuses.
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by Anonymous User on 06:47 PM March 2nd, 2004 EST (#18)
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Yes that was what I was saying.
Well, at least trying to say.
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by Anonymous User on 06:53 PM March 2nd, 2004 EST (#19)
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"Okay, fine you've all made your points.
I was just trying to say we should see the human suffering in total, not in gender compartments, alone."
Great! Considering the inequity between coverage of valid male issues as compared to the endless coverage of women's issues to the point of trivialization, I trust that you will now help to get men some equitable coverage.
It has never been women who have been neglected and abused exclusively, but you wouldn't know that taking a women's studies course. Men and women have both suffered historical forms of oppression in different ways, but in the last 30 years the lies of radical feminism have worked hard to cover up the oppressions of men. That has led to a world of injustice against men. Wake up world!
Just this afternoon I heard about a veteran in Texas who was trying to get victim assistance for having his leg blown off in Iraq. It appears to be one of those programs that will help "domestic violence scam queens" who are counciled by their divorce attorney to make up any lie to get "government as daddy" to throw her a hand out. The guy is suing the state after having been denied. It appears victim's assistance programs like that are lacking considerably perspective in my opinion.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on 07:12 PM March 2nd, 2004 EST (#20)
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You're kidding!
The guy has his leg blown off and they REFUSED him!??!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 09:25 PM March 2nd, 2004 EST (#21)
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Yes, they said he should be taken care of by the government as a veteran. He said he gets $800/month in disability for his leg and that's it. They even showed the truck he was riding in that was hit. The dirver's door around the seat had a lot of ugly twisted metal.
It was on Fox news this evening. It may be on their web page, but I didn't check there to see.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 01:22 AM March 3rd, 2004 EST (#23)
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I've heard of this claim before, so I decided to look it up. BTW, I spent 3 months in India but I never heard of the practice until a few years ago from a feminist friend.
The practice of "dowry murders" is when the family of the husband gets angry for non-payment of the bride's dowry, and they threaten or actually murder the wife. It is illegal like any form of murder.
The practice of "Sati" or the burning of the living wife on the funeral pyre of the husband has been illegal since 1829. It is obviously very rare, if it happens at all.
In NO CASE can women be "burned to death if their husbands don't want them anymore, in India."
I also think your claim that "women are purchased like merchandise" is inaccurate. Marriages are arranged in India by parents, and I think you must be thinking of the dowry again, which families with daughters commonly pay. This is not the buying or selling of wives, it is more like the the reverse of the custom of men being compelled to buy a woman a diamond in our culture.
TLE
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by Anonymous User on 07:15 PM March 3rd, 2004 EST (#25)
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Okay, I'll buy that.
No pun intended.
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If you buy into the bulls*** that every flirtation you make puts you on the same moral ground as Ted Bundy and every time you use words like "bitch""goldigger" or "that makes you look fat" it puts you on the same moral ground as Jack-the-Ripper,,,then the violence against women stats are just horrendous.
At this point in my life I could with no difficulty fill a phone book with the names of men who have been nagged, bullied, belittled, and browbeaten into alcoholism and impotence (at least with their married partner) and I could include my own name on that list. Men are rarely if ever loved for what they are...but rather love is witheld as a carrot on a stick for what some woman thinks she can sexually and emotionally blackmail him into becoming....far too many men live in a chronic and neurotic state of becoming.
Men who acheive a state of confidence and loose the neurosis that they are a case that needs to be worked on and who get beyond being manipulated with guilt and shame scare the hell out of feminazis. MEN!!!STOP BEING SEXUAL SICOPHANTS!!! When you loose that neurosis I promise you... you will not miss it.
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I was just talking to a femunutter today and I guess the latest thing for us men to feel guilty about and number one reason for us to shut up about how men are abused is that the no. cause of death of pregnant women is murder. Has anyone heard of this 'study' I was told it was published in Salon? Any refutations because it has to be bullshit, I refuse to believe men are such horrible monsters that they would target pregnant women.
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by Anonymous User on 01:39 PM March 2nd, 2004 EST (#16)
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This sounds like another fem-scam, to me.
Like the one where they got the media to report that the time when most abuse (of women) occurs was on Superbowl Sunday. That of course, turned out to be completely false.
Frankly, when MOST of these "reports" come out about the plight of women I generaly ignore them, anymore, on account of they almost always turn out to be inflated statistics or flat out un-true.
Feminists are masters at crying "wolf".
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 11:16 PM March 2nd, 2004 EST (#22)
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I did a google and it's still on the
NOW
website from 2001. There was apparently a "study" done in Maryland which showed 50 out of 247 deaths of pregnant women were homicides. They don't say what the other deaths were. I imagine the other causes are various medical reasons and complications from birth, and that's the scam. By their consideration of something like infection from giving birth as different than internal bleeding, or any other medical anomaly, they get to reach their desired conculsion about murder.
They have conveniently assumed the conclusion is valid for the entire country.
TLE
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by Anonymous User on 12:00 PM March 3rd, 2004 EST (#24)
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Now I'm 99% sure it's another fem-scam.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Yeah thanks for the heads up on this one TLE, it's obviously just another femmunutter stat with cooked numbers to make men look like monsters.
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