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This weeks Time Magazine includes a brief column on this... in the back pages...
Most of it was based on quotes from the article from the San Franciso Chronicle. Meh.
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by Anonymous User on 12:52 PM February 26th, 2004 EST (#2)
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In response to her Shut up and get a life article, I wrote the following email:
Greetings Jane,
Wow, have we met? I think so. At least a hundred times. I met you in kindergarten and elementary school and high school. I've dated you, slept with you.
I bought dinner and drinks for you while listening to you go on and on about the oppression of women. I sat quietly listening to you describe how there should be different standards of equality for men and women. That's odd, I can't recall you ever asking my opinion on anything. But it would have been a waste of time, wouldn't it?
Try for a moment role reversing the T-shirt slogans. Picture young boys wearing them to school. Suddenly they promote violence toward women. The boys wearing them would not be considered harmless, they are the future wife-beaters and oppressors. I don't hear you laughing.
But I keep forgetting, as men we've brought this all on ourselves. We deserve to have rocks thrown at us. And no Jane, it's not real rocks we're talking about here, is it? The rocks just represent what girls are taught about boys, and what they will think of men when they grow up. We are unworthy of respect. We are worthy only of ridicule and intolerance.
Yeah, I know you well. You're the one I never talked back to. You're the one I never challenged all these years. Or maybe it was your sister, or a human cloning experiment gone awry. I can't remember.
Times are changing. Men have a voice and we will be speaking, whether or not you are listening.
Yes, I have a life, and I will be using it to fight the trendy anti-male hate mongering that is now rampant.
And I assure you, the last thing I do will be to shut up.
TLE
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by Anonymous User on 02:13 PM February 26th, 2004 EST (#5)
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TLE.
Good write.
We should ALL assure ol' Janey that the LAST thing we are ALL going to do is "shut up".
Yeah, "shut up and take it like a man", in other words. Well, we HAVE shut up and taken it for THIRTY YEARS!
Now Janey It's time for you and your ilk to; 'Shut up and take it like a woman...,
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 02:20 PM February 26th, 2004 EST (#6)
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"shut up and take it like a man"
Indeed, TC.
We have been quiet long enough.
-hobbes
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Nicely written. And I LOVE the last line. Nice writing style and comparisons to future "batterers and oppressors". Do I think she will care?! Nope. But we won't be silent anymore.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 08:38 PM February 26th, 2004 EST (#14)
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I sent Jane a 2nd email and told her, "Since you like these kinds of T-shirts I know of one I think you'll look good in:"
(click)If You Shelter A Battering Female
It should have really said, "If you defend a battering female..." but that was as good as I could do on short notice.
Ray
(Please do not scroll up the page of the linked items. All the info I am trying to convey is only as the page comes up initially.)
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does any one have the video or audio of this? i'd love to watch toddy boy sweat.
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by Anonymous User on 02:05 PM February 26th, 2004 EST (#4)
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We should thank todd Goldman for illustrating what a Wussie-poopie is.
Yes, Todd You are a fine example of Wussy-poopiedom. Thank you for showing men what NOT to be.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Proceed with caution Mr Sachs...his name IS GOLDMAN after all and if your efforts actually DO impact on his business he is BOUND to lable you an anti-semite as well.
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by Anonymous User on 04:03 PM February 26th, 2004 EST (#8)
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I didn't even think about that. Goldman labeling Sachs as an anti-semite.
That very well COULD happen...!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I am also Jewish as are many men's activists.
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by Anonymous User on 05:51 PM February 26th, 2004 EST (#10)
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Glenn Sacks is not an anti-semite, because, among other reasons, he is Jewish. Knuckleheads.
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goldman could say that glenn is a self hating jew, after all goldman is proof that someone can hate themsevles for what they are. given that he is a self hating man
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by Anonymous User on 04:18 PM February 27th, 2004 EST (#16)
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That's true.
But we ALL are supposed to be "self-hateing men".
It is politicaly correct for EVERYONE to hate men.
So appearantly Toad Goldman is very P.C.
(and yes I meant to write "Toad".)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 08:22 PM February 26th, 2004 EST (#13)
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Dear Editor:
Sometimes we disagree as is the case in your story rationalizing the acceptance of “Boys are Stupid - Throw Rocks at Them” T-shirts, 2-22-04.
My rational follows this line of thinking, "When a child is young, train them up in the way they should do and when they are old they will not depart from it." Also, "When a child has been fully trained he/she will be like the teacher."
I'm one of those people who believes that the power of suggestion leads people to behave in certain ways, whether they are psychologically unstable or stable. "As a person thinks in his heart so is he/she." The "boys are stupid" T-shirts are in my opinion sending the blatantly irresponsible public message to all children (but mostly girls) that “males are disposable.” That’s right these T-shirts are public messages, because unlike violent video games, T.V. programming, etc. (which I likewise despise) these T-shirts are not confined to the walls of someone’s home, but are being boldly worn in public, telling all the world that battering males is acceptable (but wink, wink, it’s only a joke, right)? Yea right, how would you feel if someone told you your life was a joke?
Considering a few of the death and oppression statistics I for one will do all I can to take seriously such duplicitous deceptions that lead insidiously to an acceptance of violence against males. Males are: 99.999% of combat deaths and casualties in war (DOD). Yet in Iraq, when there is only the slightest 2% increase in the deaths and casualties of women, a female makes the cover of Time Magazine as “person” of the year, standing in front of two men. We should apply the same measure to the 15% of battered men that the domestic violence industry (and attorney general of CA) hasn’t been able to cover up, yet we treat battered men as if they don't exist and routinely deny them access to domestic violence shelters in California. One only has to look at the sexist language of CA domestic violence literature to prove the historical, systematic prejudice present there. Additionally, men are 94% of workplace deaths (NIOSH), 75% of suicides (CDC), 76% of homicides, 93% of the prison population, 90+% of homeless people, 99+% of the falsely convicted, freed by DNA evidence (Project Innocence). Men die many years earlier than women, and of the 10 or 15 leading causes of death by disease, men lead in all categories. Is that all a joke to you too?
Men face discrimination in government and society in many places. California women's studies programs are numerous on college campuses teaching an anti-male agenda from a feminist perspective. There are no men's studies programs. California has 31 women's commissions (including a commission for women in prison), but none for men. L.A. County has an Office of Women's Health, but none for men. There are numerous domestic violence shelters for women throughout California that exclude men, but only one that I know of in Lancaster that will accept men. Men are not entitled to get a student loan in college unless they are registered with selective service, and only men by law can be drafted, when one is activated. No wonder women comprise the majority of college enrollment. Dare I even mention the discrimination and bias that men face in the mass media? Men face discrimination in government and society at every turn.
In light of the seriousness of the above conditions, I find the San Francisco Chronicle's flippant patronization of males (reinforcing the disposability of males) not only irresponsible, but contemptible. In my opinion, that editorial is just one more concrete example of the sexist, hostile, emotional batterings that men face daily in California (and the United States) at the hands of a hatefully bigoted populace, indoctrinated by the inane teachings of radical feminism. The San Francisco Chronicle's editorial was not shy about commenting on the conditions that females face, but took every opportunity to trivialize those males face.
In the interest of brevity I will conclude. All quotes I used above are from the Bible, and I will end with just one more, “Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.” Considering how those T-shirts will not only lead to further violence against males, but females as well (when those experiencing “battered male syndrome” strike back), I would urge the editorial arm of the San Francisco Chronicle to reconsider where it stands on those "inane" T-shirts.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on 12:26 AM February 27th, 2004 EST (#15)
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Primitive Jane sez,
"Cut these young women a little slack, and have a sense of humor. And I swear, no one will hit you with a rock."
(see http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/ch ronicle/archive/2004/02/22/LVGPM53D151.DTL)
Get real. If a man's girlfriend or wife bashes him in the head, people will ridicule HIM. And then the cops will come and arrest HIM, and he'll spend the night in jail, bleeding.
Stop promoting violence against men. NOW!!
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