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You know you can't milk a stone. Only 8-15 % of women are even faintly INTERESTED in these fields! How about looking at how few men are in teaching, or nursing? Hello? Grrr. When I am sick these things just piss me off. Wah wah wah
The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on Monday January 19, @07:48PM EST (#2)
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I am currently majoring in computer science and I can certainly attest to that!
My higher level (300 or 400) classes usually have about 30 or so students and probably have an average of 4 females (13 %). On the opposite end of the spectrum, I completed my minor in spanish. In those classes the numbers more or less reversed (males may have made up 20% of the classes, but that is about it). Of course, all of the guys I was friends with in those classes were only there to get a minor, so those "majoring" in spanish may have been considerably lower then 13%.
I bring this up because I am well aware of scholorships and organizations exclusively for girls in CS, but not a single one for guys in Spanish. But I am sure that every one here already knew that...
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 22, @06:15PM EST (#5)
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It doesn't make sense to point to low numbers of people in academic programs with mostly professors of the opposite gender as evidence that few of their gender are interested in those subjects when the argument put forth is that the reason they are not interested is (at least in part) due to the lack of same gender role models. (Or are you saying that there are a balanced number of professors of each gender in these programs and they still have gender-imbalanced numbers of students?) You'd need some other measure. I don't know what that might be, and I doubt the necessary data is available as to how many of which gender are interested in which subject.
But I think that misses the point completely. To me, the big questions are: Why are we teaching kids that they need a role model of the same gender? Why not help them find role models who don't all look, think, act, etc. like them?
I'm not interested in judging my role models by their genders, races, or other irrelevant characteristics. I want to know what I can learn from them, and I've usually found that I learn most from those who are most different from me.
It was something of a culture shock going from an all-girls Catholic high school to engineering school with roughly 10% female students in my engineering classes and 2 female engineering professors (neither in my department) while I was getting my degree. But I toughed it out, found mentors and role models, and learned how to work more effectively with mostly male colleagues in the process.
Screw social engineering, and screw the gender-based stereotypes as well. I like math and science, and I didn't need another woman to get me interested in it. It's just cool all by itself.
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Thank you for your regular doses of sanity by the way.
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I was gonna say the same thing Jen. Where is the cry and whine about men not being represented in teaching, nursing, social services, women's studies, or the fact that women outnumber men in colleges at all. See, feminist theory has to constant shift and change, which is kinda funny, since a sound theory is sound period. First it was, there aren't enough women going to college, then it was "we need affirmative action", and then women specific scholarships (while male specific ones were deemed unfair due to Title IX), and then came the MANDATORY "multicultural" cirriculum (women's studies and such - otherwise they were falling out of popularity and fewer and fewer were attending), and now it's "women aren't in [this course] and [that course]". Of course, let's guess what remedies are being called for (straight up speculation): women's only scholarships (Title IX anyone?), agressive recruiting (seeking women students first, qualified/interested students a distant second), and more Women's studies "studies" showing "blatant discrimination" in [this field] while ignoring the lack of male participation in [many other fields].
It reminds me of the magicians trick: Look over here! Look over here! (but don't look at the whole picture). Feminist theorists are the only discipline that are not subjected to peer review (review by like-minded feminists with the same social agenda is NOT peer review) but will get funding by claiming stories like this show a "patriarchal" conspiracy to keep women out of certain fields.
Let's call a spade a spade: men like electronics, icky stuff, and seem to excell in certain disciplines ... why make THAT discrimination? Ok, feminists ... but first make sure that men are equally represented in college staff, proffesorships (in ALL areas), in college PERIOD, and THEN come and tell us how we are "oppressing" you.
Jen's right: wah wah wah
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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Engineering (and the hard sciences in general) is one of the few remaining fields where men can earn enough money to support a family. I suspect that this is why they are targeting it. What they really want is a reduction in the earning power of men and the destruction of the traditional family.
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by Anonymous User on Friday January 23, @03:49PM EST (#7)
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Nobody is forcing women into engineering. We make the choice ourselves.
Many of us are interested in our own financial independence and success, and we have just as much right to benefit financially from our talent and effort as men do.
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